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How can we be linked with players when we haven’t got a fucking manager? It’s absolute nonsense.
 
He's called Igor, he's an Uzbekistani (is that right?!) international. What's not to like! Sign him up!
 
PurpleRain said:
The board will do the transfers. The manager will just be responsible for training and match tactics. The European style.
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That's not actually what's proprted to be the way they're going to do it though. Think the Prince said that it's a collective process, the manager has final say also - I'm sure he said that? But obviously the manager will have to be open to who the Prince/Van Winkel have scouted and be open to their scouting. That's what I thought was the process in theory.
 
PurpleRain said:
The board will do the transfers. The manager will just be responsible for training and match tactics. The European style.
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Unpopular from our fanbase but i think this is what we are lacking tbh. Not sure how good this guy is though
 
PurpleRain said:
The board will do the transfers. The manager will just be responsible for training and match tactics. The European style.
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I don’t agree. I suspect the manager will have a say in who is signed; not the final say, but they’ll be part of the decision-making committee.
 
Booker4 said:
That's not actually what's proprted to be the way they're going to do it though. Think the Prince said that it's a collective process, the manager has final say also - I'm sure he said that? But obviously the manager will have to be open to who the Prince/Van Winkel have scouted and be open to their scouting. That's what I thought was the process in theory.
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You’re either pregnant or you’re not. In the same way, either the manager has the final say, or he doesn’t. He may be given a list of, say, 5 players and told to pick one from the list but it seemed pretty clear from PA’s interview that he was fed up with Wilder rejecting ‘his’ suggestions. So it seems that the manager will have the final say, as long as it’s “yes” to most of them.
 
BushBlade said:
You’re either pregnant or you’re not. In the same way, either the manager has the final say, or he doesn’t. He may be given a list of, say, 5 players and told to pick one from the list but it seemed pretty clear from PA’s interview that he was fed up with Wilder rejecting ‘his’ suggestions. So it seems that the manager will have the final say, as long as it’s “yes” to most of them.
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He did also mention about coming to him with more than one suggestion. He didn't mention who that target was, but id guess it was brewster considering we spent nearly a full month chasing him
 

BushBlade said:
You’re either pregnant or you’re not. In the same way, either the manager has the final say, or he doesn’t. He may be given a list of, say, 5 players and told to pick one from the list but it seemed pretty clear from PA’s interview that he was fed up with Wilder rejecting ‘his’ suggestions. So it seems that the manager will have the final say, as long as it’s “yes” to most of them.
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My guess is that it was mostly ok between the Prince and Wilder in terms of recruitment for the vast majority of Wilder's time with us because everything Wilder did till this summer paid off, he was untouchable, even when the first summers recruitment mostly didn't come off and we saw Freeman and Robinson shipped out, that probably didn't go down well.

This summer Wilder spent a lot and because they didn't come off the Prince is then in a much stronger position with Wilder to say this needs to be a two way process. Wilder baulked/the Prince didn't want to support Wilder as much on his targets and the rest is history.

So going forward the Prince is certain he wants it to be a two way process as he always wanted. I think there's exciting times above. I miss Wilder still, a true legend. But the thought of another Vass Borbokis and Jan Aage Fjortoft, they don't often come around on our budget and I hope for another one of them. I digress now, but that debut v Sunderland from Vass, it was like watching a player from another planet, or the very least another country! ;-). As long as the new manager agrees to the model then I think we can be excited with the future recruitment.
 
Booker4 said:
My guess is that it was mostly ok between the Prince and Wilder in terms of recruitment for the vast majority of Wilder's time with us because everything Wilder did till this summer paid off, he was untouchable, even when the first summers recruitment mostly didn't come off and we saw Freeman and Robinson shipped out, that probably didn't go down well.

This summer Wilder spent a lot and because they didn't come off the Prince is then in a much stronger position with Wilder to say this needs to be a two way process. Wilder baulked/the Prince didn't want to support Wilder as much on his targets and the rest is history.

So going forward the Prince is certain he wants it to be a two way process as he always wanted. I think there's exciting times above. I miss Wilder still, a true legend. But the thought of another Vass Borbokis and Jan Aage Fjortoft, they don't often come around on our budget and I hope for another one of them. I digress now, but that debut v Sunderland from Vass, it was like watching a player from another planet, or the very least another country! ;-). As long as the new manager agrees to the model then I think we can be excited with the future recruitment.
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There’s no reason why it can’t work providing we get a decent coach and the recruitment is done well. PA obviously thought his boys could do a better job finding players than Wilder so he’s chosen that route. It’s up to him to make it work. If he doesn’t, he’ll probably end up losing the club, we won’t. It’ll still be here when he’s gone, so he should be just as incentivised as us to ensure it’s a success and we’re back in the PL.
 
Le Cynique said:
How can we be linked with players when we haven’t got a fucking manager? It’s absolute nonsense.
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Maybe we do have a manager but it hasn’t been announced. Watch the start of the Burnley match
 
Booker4 said:
My guess is that it was mostly ok between the Prince and Wilder in terms of recruitment for the vast majority of Wilder's time with us because everything Wilder did till this summer paid off, he was untouchable, even when the first summers recruitment mostly didn't come off and we saw Freeman and Robinson shipped out, that probably didn't go down well.

This summer Wilder spent a lot and because they didn't come off the Prince is then in a much stronger position with Wilder to say this needs to be a two way process. Wilder baulked/the Prince didn't want to support Wilder as much on his targets and the rest is history.

So going forward the Prince is certain he wants it to be a two way process as he always wanted. I think there's exciting times above. I miss Wilder still, a true legend. But the thought of another Vass Borbokis and Jan Aage Fjortoft, they don't often come around on our budget and I hope for another one of them. I digress now, but that debut v Sunderland from Vass, it was like watching a player from another planet, or the very least another country! ;-). As long as the new manager agrees to the model then I think we can be excited with the future recruitment.
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This is exactly my thought process. Sometimes nobody is in the wrong and its in fact just a difference in opinion, and I assume that was the case between Wilder and the Prince. Then opposing views results in distrust from both sides. Of course we don't know the whole extent of it though.

Like yourself though, I'm excited by this different approach as I'm confident that we will bring in some exciting players from abroad at much better value than domestic recruitment. Van Winckel has many contacts in the game from my understanding and his CV shows that he's qualified/experienced in enough appropriate areas to suggest that he knows his stuff. We should at least listen to his suggestions on players and explore the options.
 
BushBlade said:
You’re either pregnant or you’re not. In the same way, either the manager has the final say, or he doesn’t. He may be given a list of, say, 5 players and told to pick one from the list but it seemed pretty clear from PA’s interview that he was fed up with Wilder rejecting ‘his’ suggestions. So it seems that the manager will have the final say, as long as it’s “yes” to most of them.
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The Prince didn't say anything like "Wilder rejected my suggestions"
What he actually said was that Wilder only ever came up with "this player only" as his transfer target rather than a list of possibles.
Which made any sort of negotiation very difficult as other teams would ask more for any individual that they knew Wilder wanted
 
Harrisblade said:
The Prince didn't say anything like "Wilder rejected my suggestions"
What he actually said was that Wilder only ever came up with "this player only" as his transfer target rather than a list of possibles.
Which made any sort of negotiation very difficult as other teams would ask more for any individual that they knew Wilder wanted
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Yes he did. He gave examples of players they’d put forward to Wilder and he’d rejected. I think Coufal was one.
 
Le Cynique said:
How can we be linked with players when we haven’t got a fucking manager? It’s absolute nonsense.
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If the board and scouts were just flicking their plums and not doing any research/preliminary enquiries, I'd be more worried about that than the absence of a manager
 
Booker4 said:
My guess is that it was mostly ok between the Prince and Wilder in terms of recruitment for the vast majority of Wilder's time with us because everything Wilder did till this summer paid off, he was untouchable, even when the first summers recruitment mostly didn't come off and we saw Freeman and Robinson shipped out, that probably didn't go down well.

This summer Wilder spent a lot and because they didn't come off the Prince is then in a much stronger position with Wilder to say this needs to be a two way process. Wilder baulked/the Prince didn't want to support Wilder as much on his targets and the rest is history.

So going forward the Prince is certain he wants it to be a two way process as he always wanted. I think there's exciting times above. I miss Wilder still, a true legend. But the thought of another Vass Borbokis and Jan Aage Fjortoft, they don't often come around on our budget and I hope for another one of them. I digress now, but that debut v Sunderland from Vass, it was like watching a player from another planet, or the very least another country! ;-). As long as the new manager agrees to the model then I think we can be excited with the future recruitment.
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I’d rate the Borbokis debut as the best I witnessed.
 
Booker4 said:
That's not actually what's proprted to be the way they're going to do it though. Think the Prince said that it's a collective process, the manager has final say also - I'm sure he said that? But obviously the manager will have to be open to who the Prince/Van Winkel have scouted and be open to their scouting. That's what I thought was the process in theory.
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If Wilder had been more open to that process he would more than likely still be here.
Never understood his stance against foreign players ,value for money players compared to paying top dollar for British players.
Been proven by other clubs Brentford a great example a club Wilder was very respectful of.
 

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