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Will Adkins be sacked if we lose tomorrow?

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YES Blade said:
I know your post wasn't as simple as what I have left quoted but it fits my point.

I personally believe he has taken us forward, Adkins has cleared out a lot of players who aren't good enough and hopefully by the start of next season the match day squad will be very different from what it is now.

Had we stuck with Clough, the problems would have just got worse with more average players joining who wouldn't really improve us. Hopefully we will be able to look back on this season and see that we needed one crap season in order to get back on track. Time will tell!
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Good editing of my post, I partly agree but black and white we are lower in the league now than we were at this time last year and in all probability will end the season lower.

I hope that it is 1 step backward to make 5 forward but I don't have much confidence anymore. We've been "consolidating" for a few seasons now!
 
Fulwood Blade said:
3.3% for sacking - pretty conclusive, wouldn't you say?

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From a fans percepective yes , but is it the same at board level . I cannot see Adkins being sacked on tonight's result alone unless it's a Reading v Birmingham 1-6 score situation , which to me would say more about the players than Adkins , as we already know . Whichever way he is sailing close to the wind after winging it all season , but will survive .

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Lord Bos of Eckington. said:
From a fans percepective yes , but is it the same at board level . I cannot see Adkins being sacked on tonight's result alone unless it's a Reading v Birmingham 1-6 score situation , which to me would say more about the players than Adkins , as we already know . Whichever way he is sailing close to the wind after winging it all season , but will survive .

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Adkins will get while season end. Whether he gets longer is another matter.
My opinion the board should stick with Adkins - like we should have stuck with Clough.
Adkins is not only my concern - why on earth are none of our player getting better under Akins and the coaching staff?
We appear to be making Done/Adams/Sammon worse.
Flynn in CM, FFS !
Whatever Adkins tries/does is not working - I do feel for him and as daft as it seems, even though he keeps saying he has a 3 year contract - he may decide himself that enough is enough. Rochdale appeared a new low.

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derekacorah said:
Didn't want someone external poking around so just promote the compliant guy who already knew the score. I'm a cynic.
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How do you know he/she was compliant? That's not being cynical that's just making things up.

Would have put another Scarborough man in rather than Malachy if that was the case surely?
 
Sean Thornton said:
How do you know he/she was compliant? That's not being cynical that's just making things up.

Would have put another Scarborough man in rather than Malachy if that was the case surely?
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For the sake of not getting dragged into an argument you are right. It was my first thought on the situation, I know people who had worked in finance at the club in the past and based on what they told me about this person it was my conclusion at the time, may have been right and may have been wrong.

I had a 6 month contract role in a football club as Head of Finance a few years ago and would personally never go anywhere near the sport again to keep my professional credibility intact, I managed to keep my dealings above board and moved on promptly. It has coloured my view somewhat as to the goings on of football finances. However, bent and corrupt accounting goes on in other industries as well so it's unfair of me to tar all with the same brush.
 
Cyprus Blade said:
I think losing to Burton is more likely to result in a further vote of confidence from the Board rather than the sack - I am thinking McC would hate to give Clough the satisfaction of being the one to get Adkins the sack, added to which, sacking him, would undermine the Board line that the cause of the mess here is Clough. If by some strange chance we win I would be absolutely chuffed and I expect the Board would be too.
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Would they notice? The board that is...
 
derekacorah said:
For the sake of not getting dragged into an argument you are right. It was my first thought on the situation, I know people who had worked in finance at the club in the past and based on what they told me about this person it was my conclusion at the time, may have been right and may have been wrong.

I had a 6 month contract role in a football club as Head of Finance a few years ago and would personally never go anywhere near the sport again to keep my professional credibility intact, I managed to keep my dealings above board and moved on promptly. It has coloured my view somewhat as to the goings on of football finances. However, bent and corrupt accounting goes on in other industries as well so it's unfair of me to tar all with the same brush.
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Many years ago I assisted on the audit of two local clubs - not us or the pigs - and what went on was unbelievable. Technology was the worst thing ever to happen for some football directors. The firm I worked for resigned as auditors it was so bad.

If who your talking about is who I think it is I think they rubbed some people the wrong way . Things used to be pretty lackadaisical at BL. That someone cracked the whip a bit impressed the board. What I can tell you is that despite the number of ITK's with "close contacts to someone high up" only a handful of people have access to detailed information on finance. Contest details such as wages tend to come from players gossiping rather than some admin assistant having access to info. It would be fairly easy to identify or narrow down some "leaks". As some have found out over the last few years as I'm sure you know.
 



Sean Thornton said:
Many years ago I assisted on the audit of two local clubs - not us or the pigs - and what went on was unbelievable. Technology was the worst thing ever to happen for some football directors. The firm I worked for resigned as auditors it was so bad.

If who your talking about is who I think it is I think they rubbed some people the wrong way . Things used to be pretty lackadaisical at BL. That someone cracked the whip a bit impressed the board. What I can tell you is that despite the number of ITK's with "close contacts to someone high up" only a handful of people have access to detailed information on finance. Contest details such as wages tend to come from players gossiping rather than some admin assistant having access to info. It would be fairly easy to identify or narrow down some "leaks". As some have found out over the last few years as I'm sure you know.
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I was sick of seeing big red numbers at the end of 6 months. Best thing about it was the club was sold at the end of the period for a profit on what the owner at the time paid a year earlier. If loss making clubs can be sold at a profit it shows what a crazy world football is.

As for leaks in clubs fully agree, a jilted finance person is dangerous!
 
Deaneandagana said:
So, are you aware if any month by month analysis of costs going out of the business (actual vs budget type reports) were carried out, or was it all left until the end of season review?
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McCabe was happy with the scale of investment, just unhappy with the results of said investment. He would not get involved in the mechanics of transfers as this was delegated to other people. He does not micromanage the club, but has been happy to carry the financial burden and budgets are set and sometimes adjusted as the season goes on. I feel this is a mistake unless there is clear club policy on the profile of players we want to recruit and wage structure we are willing to support.
 
nopigfansintown said:
The players I was told he wanted were Michael Smith, Andy Williams (virtual done deal) and the Wes Foderingham from Swindon; Jake Buxton, Mason Bennett and Connor Sammon (done deal)t from Derby. And Kyle Mcfadzean from MK dons (virtual done deal).
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Oh right didn't know he wanted both of them knew he wanted McFadzean tho
 
nopigfansintown said:
I thought we needed 1x target man, 1x gk, 2x cb, 2x cm, 2x winger. Clough himself wanted seven expensive players - before the Murphy sale
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nopigfansintown said:
The players I was told he wanted were Michael Smith, Andy Williams (virtual done deal) and the Wes Foderingham from Swindon; Jake Buxton, Mason Bennett and Connor Sammon (done deal)t from Derby. And Kyle Mcfadzean from MK dons (virtual done deal).
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Doesn't it a seem a bit unrealistic that Clough wanted to sign FOUR new strikers in addition to the 3 or 4 we already had at the club?
It seems more likely to me that what he presented to the board was a list of potential targets he would like to pursue.
As opposed to giving them a list with the name Burns written on it.

Williams has scored 31 goals in his last 72 appearances at League One level. Would have been a great signing and a proper target man.
Foderingham and McFadzean would have been a vast improvement on Howard and Collins.
If we'd kept Clough and signed those even just those three players we would not be currently 12th in League One and sinking. OPINION!
 
Andy Williams played as an advanced midfielder and Bennett as a wide man. Both can do a job up front though. Long was going back out to Motherwell and Howard was retained as back up. If Baptiste proves his fitness and boro go up, I expect him to sign long term for united. I agree that the three players you mentioned and Jake Buxton would have improved us, but I'm not convinced we'd have been top two this season and they'd have been a lot of pressure to change the manager if we didn't go up.
 
nopigfansintown said:
Andy Williams played as an advanced midfielder and Bennett as a wide man. Both can do a job up front though. Long was going back out to Motherwell and Howard was retained as back up. If Baptiste proves his fitness and boro go up, I expect him to sign long term for united. I agree that the three players you mentioned and Jake Buxton would have improved us, but I'm not convinced we'd have been top two this season and they'd have been a lot of pressure to change the manager if we didn't go up.
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Well if Williams has scored 31 goals from 72 games as an advanced midfielder he would have been a chuffing outstanding signing!
 
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