How was that a penalty

[BlairBlade]

Or Werner’s knee smashed him in the face. You decide

It reminds of that guy who ran into a train tunnel.
No one was sure how he died.
Did the train run him down or did he run into the train?

 

[PokerBlade]

As far as I'm concerned once the player jumps the run up has ended so the feint is after the run up not in the run up. Indirect free kick and a yellow card for the taker. It really is cheating and getting away with it.

Far as I know the interpretation they've used for a long time is basically that you can't stop moving and then start again. Jumping is still moving forward and part of the run up.

 

[Toronto Blade]

So McBurnie going down at the other end under pressure from two defenders is not a penalty.
One gets analysed 20 times and the other gets a few seconds worth of air time.

You can see why people see bias.

Yes but McBurnie doesn't know how to make a dive convincing. He makes it look like he fell off a 20 meter diving board then injures his shoulder.

 

[BobblesBlade]

Tell everyone player clean through just slide it wide of the keeper then jump into him. Guaranteed pen.

 

[JOEYDEE]

If its in their area, it's a stonewall penalty,and their keeper gets sent off for the offence.Gets extra ban for violent conduct.
As it was in OUR area,the cheating german bastard should have been sent off for 'simulation',and public apology to Rammers for causing possible concussion !
Think that just about sums it up....

 

[JosteinFlo]

Fernandes does a big jump quite often including yesterday but is never picked up for it. Have a look at this below how high he jumps up.

https://www.manutd.com/en/videos/detail/all-eight-of-bruno-fernandes-united-penalties#

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I hate this so much

 

[BrisBlade]

Werner tried to run round Ramsdale but Ramsdale's momentum took him out (head to kneee, maybe, but that doesn't matter, he clearly fouled him). Clear pen. Werner wasn't getting the ball but that doesn't really matter.

Agree with all of that apart from the final bit where you say it doesn't matter that Werner wasn't getting to the ball. I think that's the reason Rammers wasn't carded - at the point of contact it's no longer a clear goal scoring opportunity. Definite penalty though, as Werner got to the ball first and Ramsdale did take him down - not blaming him at all for that though.

 

[Sheff de party]

If you don’t think that’s a penalty you need to reassess what you know about football.

Neither the ref nor the linesman thought it was a penalty in real time.

 

[Trafford]

At least we didn’t lose to a penalty like the one Salah got against Man City, he should have been booked for that, not given a penalty. Yes, there was contact with his arm but it was minimal and it was obvious that he threw himself to the ground. I thought VAR was supposed to stop blatant cheating like this.

 

[Grey Blade]

As I saw it Werner put the ball to Ramsdale's right and Werner went to Ramsdale's left. Ramsdale dived to his left but had he dived to the right following the ball he might still have had Werner fall over him but it would not have been a penalty in my eyes. That said, players are very good at taking every opprortunity to manufacture a contact.

The Rudiger own goal could have created a similar situation had the ball hit the post and bounced back into Burke's potential path ( had Burke not fallen over the keeper. Would that have been a penalty?

 

[blade too long]

be
Because it was.

I suppose you also think Wilder should still be in charge and this season is down to one players injury.

It's about time some fans woke up and started to understand that we are absolute shybo, we've wasted over £100m this season, we are going down, and will probably go down again next season when players leave and those who have been bought for stupid money like Brewster continue to be a bag of wank.

stop saying weve wasted 100m this season weve spent half of that tot these up be lucky to hit 55m

Transfers in​

Date	Position	Nationality	Name	From	Fee	Ref.
17 July 2020	GK		Wes Foderingham	Rangers	Free transfer	[1]
19 August 2020	GK		Aaron Ramsdale	Bournemouth	Undisclosed	[2]
25 August 2020	CB		Kacper Łopata	Brighton & Hove Albion	Free transfer	[3]
7 September 2020	LB		Max Lowe	Derby County	Undisclosed	[4]
7 September 2020	RB		Jayden Bogle	Derby County	Undisclosed	[4]
9 September 2020	RW		Oliver Burke	West Bromwich Albion	Undisclosed	[5]
9 September 2020	CM		Ismaila Coulibaly	Sarpsborg 08	Undisclosed	[6]
2 October 2020	FW		Rhian Brewster	Liverpool	Undisclosed	[7]

berger mcburnie and others were bought last season ,when we did ok

 

[Chingo]

stop saying weve wasted 100m this season weve spent half of that

berger mcburnie and others were bought last season ,when we did add ons for Brewster and Ramsdale and the two Derby lads

Anyone know if there was any add ons for staying up or goals scored ect in the Ramsdale , Brewster and the two derby lads deals ?

 

[blade too long]

Werner WoN the penalty, by being savvy
same way Salah was pulled back v man city

its moves learnt from wrestling to make the meerest touches look savage

 

[Houston_Blade]

Anyone know if there was any add ons for staying up or goals scored ect in the Ramsdale , Brewster and the two derby lads deals ?

Hopefully the Ramsdale add ons were clean sheet related. Bournemouth will owe us!

 

[Tarqs]

Fernandes does a big jump quite often including yesterday but is never picked up for it. Have a look at this below how high he jumps up.

https://www.manutd.com/en/videos/detail/all-eight-of-bruno-fernandes-united-penalties#

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I've been moaning about Bruno for ages as I thought his method of taking was illegal.

It's funny because he can't lose, he does his little jump and most of the time the keeper has committed.... Bruno has had 3 penalties saved....and every time they've had to be retaken because the keeper has committed and is marginally off his line.

He can't lose and it pisses me off.

 

[Houston_Blade]

I've been moaning about Bruno for ages as I thought his method of taking was illegal.

It's funny because he can't lose, he does his little jump and most of the time the keeper has committed.... Bruno has had 3 penalties saved....and every time they've had to be retaken because the keeper has committed and is marginally off his line.

He can't lose and it pisses me off.

He lost 2-1 the other week, the little diving cnut

 

[PokerBlade]

Tell everyone player clean through just slide it wide of the keeper then jump into him. Guaranteed pen.

Tell every player that if you throw yourself into a challenge you have to win the ball before you clatter the man.

 

[Speedracer]

I have some sympathy for Ramsdale in this instance & in my view it wasn't a penalty. Yes there was contact but Werner's knee hitting Ramsdale's face was the first contact, which is also what the ref thought until he was told to look at it again.
Just another crazy moment in a season full of them. Felt sorry for Bryan too, thought he had a decent game until that poor back pass, swiftly followed by other, but I think he was carrying an injury at that point.

 

[Dalelane01]

What surprised me more was that Ramsdale didnt get a red card ?

No his head did though after sticking nut on werner .although not the card bit

 

[wak1889]

But Werner made contact with Ramsdale, not the other way round ! That's exactly what I said , it's still a penalty though , ramsdale has made a decision to come for the ball and he doesn't get it , yes werner can avoid him , yes he can jump over him , but he's taken a bad touch if he did that Basham clears up , so instead hit the keeper and it's a pen , if ramsdale doesn't come out he can't do that but he more than likely slots it past him, either way not really ramsdales fault , bryan gave him an absolute hospital ball , u cannot make basic errors like that and expect to get away with them

 

[wak1889]

Okay I’ve watched again and I apologise. Ramsdale head cynically took out Werner’s knee. Werner was clearly trying his upmost to score having passed it into no mans land

Utmost

 

[Pittsburg Blade]

Utmost

You pedantic cunp

 

[ZxyBlade]

It was a diving headbutt by rammers unfortunately that's a pen

 

[tincan]

Anywhere else on the pitch, Werner is red carded for violent conduct, as Ramsdale is assaulted by Werners knee with the ball 5m away.
But as it's given, Ramsdale has denied a clear goal scoring opportunity and so should have been redcarded.
Which would have been a blessing as he makes no attempt to save it, his reactions must have been effected after being hit in the head by a centre forward running at full speed.
Given that was the first concussion protocol match, very weak from VAR.

 

[corner_flag]

Okay we can talk about the poor backpass but how is that a penalty.

Ramsdale made no connection with Werner whatsoever. Werner ran into him and chucked himself over.

Was assured when the ref went over to look at it but what the fuck was he looking at to decide that is a pen. The game is bent

For me, it was a penalty because Ramsdale's slide is not in the direction of the ball, it is in the direction of the player, so it looks like his aim was to stop the man not the ball, therefore, the contact that follows is a foul.

If Ramsdale's slide had been better directed, 1. he may have actually got the ball, or 2. less likely to have been given as a penalty.
If he genuinely thought he was sliding towards the ball, maybe these comments about his eyesight are on to something.

 

[Booker4]

I felt it was a very soft pen. But in today's football 9/10 times they will be given, particularly when VAR intervenes. Werner waits for the contact and then goes down, knowing fully well that his touch was that of an elephant and he'd took it too far and Bash was going to pick it up. As soon as he kicks that too far he'd have gone down, but to be fair 9/10 players for any team would do that without thinking.

I don't blame Rammers though, his momentum was always going to take him towards Werner and I don't see how he avoids that.

 

[Billyblade]

Just as an aside, when the ref was looking at the pitchside monitor, why was Aspidistra (or whatever his name is) allowed to be at his shoulder chipping in his 2 cent-worth? I thought they were supposed to stay away? The bloke was looking at the screen and chinning at the ref while he was watching it.

 

[Isaw Joeshaw]

I’m not anti Rammers by any stretch but I thought he was very rash to go charging out for that ball when it was perfectly clear that he was never going to get there first , just as it was with the one in the first half when Bash bailed him out .

“ If in doubt , stand thi ground “ is a pretty good rule of thumb for goalies in these situations and if AR had done that , I’m fairly sure that Werner would not have scored taking into account the angle he was at and the fact we had a defender tracking back in the box (oh , and the fact that he’s a shit finisher ).

 

[Sheffsteel]

I felt it was a very soft pen. But in today's football 9/10 times they will be given, particularly when VAR intervenes. Werner waits for the contact and then goes down, knowing fully well that his touch was that of an elephant and he'd took it too far and Bash was going to pick it up. As soon as he kicks that too far he'd have gone down, but to be fair 9/10 players for any team would do that without thinking.

I don't blame Rammers though, his momentum was always going to take him towards Werner and I don't see how he avoids that.

That’s how I see it.

Technically it probably was a penalty but using common sense and knowing the game it shouldn’t have been a penalty. Their player played for it...hoping to encourage contact.

VAR seems to be all about black and white decisions this season. In these situations VAR tends to give penalties. Ramsdale was a bit unlucky but we move on.