How time has passed us by...

[Pedro's Winger]

Millions more into the local economy....how exactly? The extra money they have had I turnover will have go on outgoings which is wages and transfer fees, or if they are making money...in dividend payments to shareholders. They might I suppose have contracted local builders to help build their training ground etc but I don't see where else they will have contributed substantially more to the local economy, since they ran away from their previous obligations.

If it is a case of not paying your way to have more money to help the local economy then do you think I have a case if I tell my taxman (who does rather well out of me.these days) that I shouldn't have to pay him amy money owed...the benefit being that I can put the extra money i have into the local pub, restaurant and hotel businesses and maybe tourist business instead ? Top idea really, count me in. Not sure the tax man will be so receptive though or any creditors that I may owe in my day to day business dealings.

As for Leicester raising the profile of the city...true enough. But only because they have had success on the back of unethical behaviour which allowed them to be in the position to profit in the first place. Leicester are stil best known as the place where a York loving fellow is buried. Nothing more.

More people going to matches, more people spending money in the city and more people internationally will know of Leicester from the most unlikely title win, possibly ever.
Don't disagree they behaved badly but it's daft to argue the club hasn't done a heck of a lot for the city since then.

 

[Weasel]

More people going to matches, more people spending money in the city and more people internationally will know of Leicester from the most unlikely title win, possibly ever.
Don't disagree they behaved badly but it's daft to argue the club hasn't done a heck of a lot for the city since then.

I would agree that LCFC success has contributed to the leisure trade in the city as bigger crowds mean more money spent in pubs and hotels from paying punters. However more fans paying for tickets to the games means more money to the club only, it doesnt go into the local economy directly.

Some people will have benefited from the club having recent success. Many will have been massivey effected by non payment of monies owed to them by the club due to non payment when they went into administration (twice).

Some will have won off the back of LCFC, some will have lost. It's difficult to definitely quantify that ultimately they have been a positive to the city and its local economy after their previous history (some local businesess may well have gone bust due to non payments). We could both argue either way and we will never know. I just don't think they it's a given that they have been a force for good in their fair city over the last 15 years.

As for recognition of the club...give it 5 years time and people will have forgotten about then again. People are fickle.

 

[itsinyerblood]

I would agree that LCFC success has contributed to the leisure trade in the city as bigger crowds mean more money spent in pubs and hotels from paying punters. However more fans paying for tickets to the games means more money to the club only, it the city trade itself.

Some people will have benefited from the club having recent success. Many will have been massivey effected by non payment of monies owed to them by the club due to non payment when they went into administration (twice).

Some will have won off the back of LCFC, some will have lost. It' hard to definitely quantify that ultimately they have been a positive to the city after their previous history (some local businesess may well gave gone bust). We could both argue either way and we will never know. I just don't think they it's a given that they have just been a force for good in their fair city over the last 15 years.

As for recognition of the club...give it 5 years time and people will have forgotten about then again. People are fickle.

At best it'll become a pub quiz question.

 

[grafikhaus]

Take a couple of their top players away and they are another West Brom in waiting. I reckon we will be seeing them soon on an even playing field.

And another thing. Utd will always be a bigger club than Leicester. It's only a matter of time before the natural scale is restored and we look down on them. They are on borrowed time. Feel free to disagree. Lets see shall we....

Hopefully sooner than we think. From October 2017:

Queens Park Rangers have been ordered to pay a world-record £40million fine after losing a three-year battle against being found guilty of breaching Financial Fair Play rules during their most recent promotion-winning campaign.


The Championship club’s claim that the English Football League’s FFP regulations were “unlawful” and that the fine levied on them was “disproportionate” was dismissed by an arbitration panel, with both parties informed of the decision last week.


QPR confirmed on Tuesday they would be appealing a verdict that also spelt bad news for Leicester City and Bournemouth, both of whom were prepared to fight rulings they, too, effectively cheated their way to promotion in 2013-14 and 2014-15, respectively.

 

[penthouseblade]

Spot on assessment. Speaking to some of their fans this morning at breakfast in my hotel. Some have only been supporters for the last few years after they went bust!!. A couple of others admitted that their.club had broken the rules and then fell silent. Their parting words to me as I left were less than complimentary. I think I hit a nerve!. Fuck em. Utb

Interesting! So how did you strike up conversation and what was said during........

 

[finlaytheblade]

It's not a case of 'whingeing about administration' to Leicester from years ago. It's about pointing out that some of us remember what they did (by the way it was Utd that lost out to them to the premier league that season as we finished third to their 2nd place after they used a load of players they clearly couldn't afford whilst we played by the rules and lost out).

They also had a fine new stadium built for them which they had no plan to pay off putting them in a very nice position to consolidate in the top division and ultimately to attract very rich investors/benefactors from overseas.

I don't let it bother me anymore as time as moved on. But neither am I ever too going to wish them all the best and think 'good old Leicester' or think about how we should aspire to be like them. Fuk that, we might not ever win owt at the top table in our time, but at least we can say we didn't cheat our way to doing it. I'm happy with that and I'm happy with my club for doing so.

I will give Wendy that. They may have got lucky with people who have invested in them over the years and with the Co Op writing off a shit load of monies owed to them, but to be fair to the pigs they never took the 'administration' route though it was probably far easier for them to do that and start with a clean slate. Leicester did...twice.

Wed were 5 minutes away from administration according to Howard Wilkinson, Manderic came in bought the club for a song the rest we know

 

[rednwhitedogs]

We left Leicester with our heads held high. Let’s kick on now and do our best in the league. CW knows what he is doing. When we’re ready we’ll be up there with the best. ( we’re not far off) UTB!!

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

Good effort but 'cheating bastards' would have sufficed.

 

[Cerberus Blade]

And yet our mostly second team put out there almost, but for a bit better placement from our wingback might have taken them to a replay at our wonderful ground with a brilliant atmosphere.

Are we really that far apart? The Leicester’s of the premier league are only ever a bad season away from going down. Look at West Brom, Stoke, Palace or look at the Championship, littered with former premier league sides

We met a Leicester fan after the MK Dons game away last season and it was amazing, given the momentous achievement of Leicester winning the league with players punching above their weight, the Leicester fan was happy to see the man who got them there sacked.

For me Leicester are an example of what is possible. Almost relegated before ranieri to then being the side they currently are. They’re not an exciting team for foreign players to come to, but they have quality and yeah the difference was there.

But for me, I don’t look on with envy at teams like Leicester as I believe we have something just as good at our own club. It’s building and Wilder is building it to last

I agree with that Swiss, but my point is this:

Wilder, in my opinion, is the best manager we’ve had in all the time I’ve been watching. And I doff my cap to the great John Harris who I think was a genius in assembling a team of players with individual brilliance, on a shoestring, and getting them to play some of the most attractive, attacking football, I have seen. And I doff my cap also to Dave Bassett, who could find and motivate players who really might not have ever made it in the professional game.

I respect the likes of the troubled Howard Kendall, who was able to convert Bassett’s allsorts into a totally different type of football team, drawing on quality of players like Gordan Cowans, to transform the style of play.

And, as much as I disliked the “me” persona of Warnock, he gave us a fire in the belly that previous side had lacked.

All this is very well, but there comes a time when “effort” alone is not enough.

There comes a time when quality is needed.

I liked Steve Bruce’s comment the other week when we lost, undeservedly, to Villa. He said something like, ‘ that wasn’t about chances, it was about quality’. And he’s spot on with that.

We sweat blood for the shirt under Wilder and I love that. That is my Sheffield United. But a sprinkling of quality is needed. And that costs money.

Back Wilder and he’ll find the right blend of effort and quality to get us where we need to be - and stay there.

It’s the best chance we’ve had for years. I hope those upstairs recognise that?

 

[8lade]

I agree with this to a point in that all previous successful United managers have not had to live in the environment that exists now, where a team has a squad of 50 with 20 of them out on loan seeing how they'll do before being released or kept. Where teams are underpinned by billionaires and a hundred million is 'nothing'. The successful Liverpool sides of the 70s and 80s bought their players from the UK and outside of that it was an unusual purchase. But Chris Wilder is recreating that old Liverpool way (and I've just thought of an 'out' for the 'think Liverpool' comment) and it'll get us to the Prem, more than that I cannot say.

 

[SUFC Handsworth]

In response to the OP, last night I was thinking along the same subject areas, but with totally different views. The King Power Stadium, what a shit awful ground, totally devoid of any character and totally soulless, the old Filbert Street, while never a great ground, at least was full of character. The fact that the King Power used to be the Walkers Stadium says it all for me, a ground named after the latest sponsor. Filbert Street was always Filbert Street, the new ground is just named after whichever commercial company has thrown their money at it.

The game itself just left me thinking how shit top end football is. We turned up and parked the bus until they scored, Leicester played lots of tippy-tappy boring stuff outside the penalty box, lots of foreign players thinking they were great with fancy touches that got them nowhere. The fact that we gave it a tilt after they scored and caused them problems suggested to me if we'd have gone for from the off we'd have beat them, or at least wouldn't have gone down wondering. We'd have frightened them to death if we'd played our normal game from minute one.

As for the two clubs, in my lifetime of watching the Blades, mid 70s, my first ever game we walloped them 4-0 at the Lane and just missed out on Europe, since then in 43 years, we have been badly let down imo the fault lying with successive piss poor boards and Leicester have far out stripped us. In that time we have had 6 seasons in the top flight (three of them relegation seasons), and 12 seasons in the lower divisions, including 1 in the fourth division. To me that is seriously punching below our weight. In comparison in the same time span, Leicester, and this is off the top of my head, had 75-78 in the top flight, 83-87, 96-02, 03-04, 11?-18, that's at least 20 plus seasons, also won the League Cup in 97 (I'm sure they have won it since as well, can't remember the year), the Prem in '16 and had a few tilts in Euro competition. Way, way better than what we have achieved.

I think comparing SUFC and Leicester should be a fair comparison of similar size clubs, although in the last 40+ years there is no comparison ... thanks to successive Chairman and directors at the Lane. The only thing that puts us in the same breath as them now, is our fans and Bramall Lane.

 

[5tannington Blade]

I don't know how everyone can slag off the atmosphere, if we had achieved what they had and were playing a club in the league below on a friday night I don't think Bramall lane would be rocking.

They've been in the knock out stages of the champions league playing the likes of Athletico Madrid, i sadly can understand if playing us in the FA cup isn't one to wet their appetite anymore

 

[Lil red rooster]

they're one of the lucky clubs bankrupt one minute win the lottery the next ,Southampton are another its as simple as that really.
they turned down 65 million for mahrez.just shows the gulf in finances.

 

[SandyMcBlade]

Honestly, I just don't get this 'we are where we are because the Board haven't spent lots of money bringing big named players in'.
We had their best defender for nowt, and at one time could have signed their top goal scorer for his bus fare and a cup of tea,,
No, if they have had a fault over many years it's not paying the players enough at that time to keep them here to build the kind of team following player wouldn't have wanted to leave.
Mr Wilder has signed some great players on a shoe string already not unlike John Harris did before him and my main worry is not about him being able to spend millions on improving the team, it's that the board will sell those we already have on to make thousands and put us back to square one..

 

[Pedro's Winger]

I would agree that LCFC success has contributed to the leisure trade in the city as bigger crowds mean more money spent in pubs and hotels from paying punters. However more fans paying for tickets to the games means more money to the club only, it doesnt go into the local economy directly.

Some people will have benefited from the club having recent success. Many will have been massivey effected by non payment of monies owed to them by the club due to non payment when they went into administration (twice).

Some will have won off the back of LCFC, some will have lost. It's difficult to definitely quantify that ultimately they have been a positive to the city and its local economy after their previous history (some local businesess may well have gone bust due to non payments). We could both argue either way and we will never know. I just don't think they it's a given that they have been a force for good in their fair city over the last 15 years.

As for recognition of the club...give it 5 years time and people will have forgotten about then again. People are fickle.

Difficult to quantify to the last pound, shilling and pence but a quick look at the estimates indicates the amounts are in the many tens of millions in benefit.
Looked at on a simple scales basis, Leicester City have brought far more into the local area than the amounts they stiffed businesses for.
Don't think it'll be forgotten in 5 years. People remember Forest now because of the late 70s and the international pull of the Premier League these days is enormous.