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I came away from the King Power Stadium last night, pleased and heartened by seeing our mainly second string side, put on a respectable performance against a Premiership team and also saddened when I reflect on how time has passed our club by in recent years.

It's hard not to draw a comparison between Sheffield United and Leicester City. With the exception of the recent past, we seem to have been in the same divisions for most of the years I've been watching the Blades. We've had some real ding-dong matches with them over the years and I've seen them as a similar type of club to us, albeit on a smaller scale. For years they've been a team that's lived in the top 2 divisions mainly, often too good for the second division, but not quite good enough to sustain life at the top level for long. A lot like us in fact.

They've always been a working man's type of football club. Their old ground, Filbert Street, was falling apart at the seams, but it was raucous in there back in the day, when players like Lenny Glover were bombing down the wings and Keith Weller was doing his stuff, David Nish was "sweeping up" and Ali Brown was plundering the goals. I can still remember the "pop side" at Filbert Street and I remember being packed in behind the goal that day back in the early 1970's when Alan Woodward beat England's first choice goalkeeper, Peter Shilton, direct from a corner! I remember leaving the ground at the end and having to walk through a gauntlet of angry Leicester fans who had come to our end of the ground to give us some trouble!

I stood in the King Power Stadium last night and took a look around. It is a visually a very impressive sight in my opinion. The whole stadium is one tier - unusual for a football ground - and it gives the impression of a huge ampitheatre. It looks and feels "brand new" - which it isn't exactly, but it's a far cry from Filbert Street - and so is the atmosphere. I mean, there was no atmosphere except for the good spirits of the Blades fans. Maybe Leicester City's recent success has attracted a different type of supporter? Ones who are here for the good times whilst the club is in the Prem, but ones who will quickly lose interest if they are not?

On the pitch, Leicester City were unrecognisable from the Leicester City of old. They were technically excellent, they moved the ball quickly and their passing was crisp and precise. They looked like they were just toying with us for most of the game. The gulf in class between these two sides was massive - and that's not to take anything away from United - who I thought played it tactically right and did the best they could with limited resources.

I think that was what hurt most of all. Seeing a club, one that we've had some right royal battles with over the years - just stroke it around and toy with us. And seeing how technically superior they were to us - it just made me realise how far Sheffield United have fallen behind.

It exposed a lot of our players for what they are - enthusiastic lower division players. Lafferty, Basham, Carruthers, Stevens - these guys in particular looked like complete amateurs with their inability just to do the simple thing on the ball and pass it to one of our own players. Leicester made passing and movement look easy. And Leicester are not exactly setting the Premiership on fire this season. So, if you ever did want to know just how big the gap is between where we are now and the Premiership, this was a startling insight.

For the first time, last night, I came away thinking how torturous it would be if United do find themselves back in the Prem next season. Because, without significant investment, we can't live with teams like that, week in and week out. The gap is just too wide now to contemplate. But it's also only going to get wider.

So, if we are to ever be a major force in English football again - we need to get back to that level soon - and have considerable money behind us to even dream of staying there for more than one season.
 

And yet our mostly second team put out there almost, but for a bit better placement from our wingback might have taken them to a replay at our wonderful ground with a brilliant atmosphere.

Are we really that far apart? The Leicester’s of the premier league are only ever a bad season away from going down. Look at West Brom, Stoke, Palace or look at the Championship, littered with former premier league sides

We met a Leicester fan after the MK Dons game away last season and it was amazing, given the momentous achievement of Leicester winning the league with players punching above their weight, the Leicester fan was happy to see the man who got them there sacked.

For me Leicester are an example of what is possible. Almost relegated before ranieri to then being the side they currently are. They’re not an exciting team for foreign players to come to, but they have quality and yeah the difference was there.

But for me, I don’t look on with envy at teams like Leicester as I believe we have something just as good at our own club. It’s building and Wilder is building it to last
 
Over the past 40 years Leicester seem to be one of the clubs we have passed by on our way up and down. I don't think we have played them in the top flight under Bassett or Warnock. Good luck to them, I guess there are fans of over a dozen teams, traditionally of a similar size who think it could have been them.
 
Over the past 40 years Leicester seem to be one of the clubs we have passed by on our way up and down. I don't think we have played them in the top flight under Bassett or Warnock. Good luck to them, I guess there are fans of over a dozen teams, traditionally of a similar size who think it could have been them.

That sounds about right. Only times we’ve played them in my time as a fan (‘91 onwards) has been in the cups or the 2nd tier.
 
I really enjoyed the evening, and that's unusual given we lost.

But disagree about the stadium, functional and dull as dishwasher. No character and that is sacrificed so everyone has a good view?

Not so much an amphitheatre as something a two bob athletics club would aspire to.

They have some great players, I'll give you that though, and the performance and result correctly identify they are better than our team. But given the difference in cost it is not proportional to the difference in class.

We need not limit our ambition to being a "Leicester" (with absolutely no disrespect to them, indeed I admire their achievements) but I'm sure they aspire to greater things and surely we've not been in the doldrums that long that we can expect anything less?
 
I came away from the King Power Stadium last night, pleased and heartened by seeing our mainly second string side, put on a respectable performance against a Premiership team and also saddened when I reflect on how time has passed our club by in recent years.

It's hard not to draw a comparison between Sheffield United and Leicester City. With the exception of the recent past, we seem to have been in the same divisions for most of the years I've been watching the Blades. We've had some real ding-dong matches with them over the years and I've seen them as a similar type of club to us, albeit on a smaller scale. For years they've been a team that's lived in the top 2 divisions mainly, often too good for the second division, but not quite good enough to sustain life at the top level for long. A lot like us in fact.

They've always been a working man's type of football club. Their old ground, Filbert Street, was falling apart at the seams, but it was raucous in there back in the day, when players like Lenny Glover were bombing down the wings and Keith Weller was doing his stuff, David Nish was "sweeping up" and Ali Brown was plundering the goals. I can still remember the "pop side" at Filbert Street and I remember being packed in behind the goal that day back in the early 1970's when Alan Woodward beat England's first choice goalkeeper, Peter Shilton, direct from a corner! I remember leaving the ground at the end and having to walk through a gauntlet of angry Leicester fans who had come to our end of the ground to give us some trouble!

I stood in the King Power Stadium last night and took a look around. It is a visually a very impressive sight in my opinion. The whole stadium is one tier - unusual for a football ground - and it gives the impression of a huge ampitheatre. It looks and feels "brand new" - which it isn't exactly, but it's a far cry from Filbert Street - and so is the atmosphere. I mean, there was no atmosphere except for the good spirits of the Blades fans. Maybe Leicester City's recent success has attracted a different type of supporter? Ones who are here for the good times whilst the club is in the Prem, but ones who will quickly lose interest if they are not?

On the pitch, Leicester City were unrecognisable from the Leicester City of old. They were technically excellent, they moved the ball quickly and their passing was crisp and precise. They looked like they were just toying with us for most of the game. The gulf in class between these two sides was massive - and that's not to take anything away from United - who I thought played it tactically right and did the best they could with limited resources.

I think that was what hurt most of all. Seeing a club, one that we've had some right royal battles with over the years - just stroke it around and toy with us. And seeing how technically superior they were to us - it just made me realise how far Sheffield United have fallen behind.

It exposed a lot of our players for what they are - enthusiastic lower division players. Lafferty, Basham, Carruthers, Stevens - these guys in particular looked like complete amateurs with their inability just to do the simple thing on the ball and pass it to one of our own players. Leicester made passing and movement look easy. And Leicester are not exactly setting the Premiership on fire this season. So, if you ever did want to know just how big the gap is between where we are now and the Premiership, this was a startling insight.

For the first time, last night, I came away thinking how torturous it would be if United do find themselves back in the Prem next season. Because, without significant investment, we can't live with teams like that, week in and week out. The gap is just too wide now to contemplate. But it's also only going to get wider.

So, if we are to ever be a major force in English football again - we need to get back to that level soon - and have considerable money behind us to even dream of staying there for more than one season.
You could say the same about many teams, including Man City. But I don't think it's a case of 'how far we've fallen behind' but, rather, how far they have progressed due to huge investment
 
And yet our mostly second team put out there almost, but for a bit better placement from our wingback might have taken them to a replay at our wonderful ground with a brilliant atmosphere.

Are we really that far apart? The Leicester’s of the premier league are only ever a bad season away from going down. Look at West Brom, Stoke, Palace or look at the Championship, littered with former premier league sides

We met a Leicester fan after the MK Dons game away last season and it was amazing, given the momentous achievement of Leicester winning the league with players punching above their weight, the Leicester fan was happy to see the man who got them there sacked.

For me Leicester are an example of what is possible. Almost relegated before ranieri to then being the side they currently are. They’re not an exciting team for foreign players to come to, but they have quality and yeah the difference was there.

But for me, I don’t look on with envy at teams like Leicester as I believe we have something just as good at our own club. It’s building and Wilder is building it to last

Well said that man. Exactly what I think.

I don't envy any other club (though they might have better footballers than sufc at any one time). I actually feel quite smug that i support the Blades and they don't.
 
Difference is SUFC never fucked over local businesses by going bust.

The administration rules were put in because those cheating cocks did it twice.

Glad I'm not the only one who has a resentment over the success Leicester achieved after playing the system, blatantly cheating, and screwing over the little people who they owed (and still do) money to. Fuk em.
 
People moaning about our current 'predicament' would do well to re-visit the back end of this thread. We've come a long way in under two years.

We had a very weakened team out last night, in contrast to our friends' opponents today.

While victory would put Swansea in the FA Cup quarter-finals for the first time since 1964, Carvalhal will not jeopardise their Premier League status, resting first-team regulars for relegation battles.

'We won't take any risks and there will be changes because I will protect some players,' said Carvalhal. 'Ask me to stay in the Premier League or win the Cup, and I say Premier League because it is more important to the club.

'As a manager it would be fantastic to be with the trophy. I was at Wembley with Sheffield Wednesday (in the 2016 Championship play-off final) and I loved it, I want to go back there in my career. But I am not selfish because I understand the priority of the club — and that is to stay in the Premier League.'


Jammy bastards.
 
Glad I'm not the only one who has a resentment over the success Leicester achieved after playing the system, blatantly cheating, and screwing over the little people who they owed (and still do) money to. Fuk em.
Spot on assessment. Speaking to some of their fans this morning at breakfast in my hotel. Some have only been supporters for the last few years after they went bust!!. A couple of others admitted that their.club had broken the rules and then fell silent. Their parting words to me as I left were less than complimentary. I think I hit a nerve!. Fuck em. Utb
 
Glad I'm not the only one who has a resentment over the success Leicester achieved after playing the system, blatantly cheating, and screwing over the little people who they owed (and still do) money to. Fuk em.
It must be absolutely galling to anybody who was owed money to know Leicester are now chucking it about like bottles of piss and rejected a £65 million bid for somebody they paid 400k for. The debt they couldn't handle 15 years ago? 30 million quid.
 

Whingeing about administration years ago seems pointless to me. The current ownership, staff, and players didn't cause it, and the fans certainly didn't. Blame the past owners.

If that same fate fell in us the same people would be defending us to the hilt.

The gulf between the teams is hardly surprising and surely shouldn't have come as a shock.

Because we only lost by one goal and nearly scored, doesnt alter the fact how much better Leicester are. No shame in that, especially when you consider where we were 18 months ago.

I think the OP is largely spot on.
 
Whingeing about administration years ago seems pointless to me. The current ownership, staff, and players didn't cause it, and the fans certainly didn't. Blame the past owners.

If that same fate fell in us the same people would be defending us to the hilt.

The gulf between the teams is hardly surprising and surely shouldn't have come as a shock.

Because we only lost by one goal and nearly scored, doesnt alter the fact how much better Leicester are. No shame in that, especially when you consider where we were 18 months ago.

I think the OP is largely spot on.

It's not a case of 'whingeing about administration' to Leicester from years ago. It's about pointing out that some of us remember what they did (by the way it was Utd that lost out to them to the premier league that season as we finished third to their 2nd place after they used a load of players they clearly couldn't afford whilst we played by the rules and lost out).

They also had a fine new stadium built for them which they had no plan to pay off putting them in a very nice position to consolidate in the top division and ultimately to attract very rich investors/benefactors from overseas.

I don't let it bother me anymore as time as moved on. But neither am I ever too going to wish them all the best and think 'good old Leicester' or think about how we should aspire to be like them. Fuk that, we might not ever win owt at the top table in our time, but at least we can say we didn't cheat our way to doing it. I'm happy with that and I'm happy with my club for doing so.

I will give Wendy that. They may have got lucky with people who have invested in them over the years and with the Co Op writing off a shit load of monies owed to them, but to be fair to the pigs they never took the 'administration' route though it was probably far easier for them to do that and start with a clean slate. Leicester did...twice.
 
It’s a myth that the gap will get forever wider. There’s s finite number of players on the planet, and the best ones are already here. All that’s happening is that the value of bang average / shite players has gone up exponentially. The gap has been the same for years, in my opinion.

And if we are ever promoted, we’d have £100m a season to play with. Think of the wonders Wilder has done with a tiny fraction of that.
 
Spot on assessment. Speaking to some of their fans this morning at breakfast in my hotel. Some have only been supporters for the last few years after they went bust!!. A couple of others admitted that their.club had broken the rules and then fell silent. Their parting words to me as I left were less than complimentary. I think I hit a nerve!. Fuck em. Utb


What's particularly galling for creditors is that to come out of administration, football creditors HAVE to be paid. That stinks. HMRC lost their preferential creditor status years ago and lost a court case about Football creditors being preferred. Keeps money in the game and fuck everyone else. Madness.
 
I came away from the King Power Stadium last night, pleased and heartened by seeing our mainly second string side, put on a respectable performance against a Premiership team and also saddened when I reflect on how time has passed our club by in recent years.

It's hard not to draw a comparison between Sheffield United and Leicester City. With the exception of the recent past, we seem to have been in the same divisions for most of the years I've been watching the Blades. We've had some real ding-dong matches with them over the years and I've seen them as a similar type of club to us, albeit on a smaller scale. For years they've been a team that's lived in the top 2 divisions mainly, often too good for the second division, but not quite good enough to sustain life at the top level for long. A lot like us in fact.

They've always been a working man's type of football club. Their old ground, Filbert Street, was falling apart at the seams, but it was raucous in there back in the day, when players like Lenny Glover were bombing down the wings and Keith Weller was doing his stuff, David Nish was "sweeping up" and Ali Brown was plundering the goals. I can still remember the "pop side" at Filbert Street and I remember being packed in behind the goal that day back in the early 1970's when Alan Woodward beat England's first choice goalkeeper, Peter Shilton, direct from a corner! I remember leaving the ground at the end and having to walk through a gauntlet of angry Leicester fans who had come to our end of the ground to give us some trouble!

I stood in the King Power Stadium last night and took a look around. It is a visually a very impressive sight in my opinion. The whole stadium is one tier - unusual for a football ground - and it gives the impression of a huge ampitheatre. It looks and feels "brand new" - which it isn't exactly, but it's a far cry from Filbert Street - and so is the atmosphere. I mean, there was no atmosphere except for the good spirits of the Blades fans. Maybe Leicester City's recent success has attracted a different type of supporter? Ones who are here for the good times whilst the club is in the Prem, but ones who will quickly lose interest if they are not?

On the pitch, Leicester City were unrecognisable from the Leicester City of old. They were technically excellent, they moved the ball quickly and their passing was crisp and precise. They looked like they were just toying with us for most of the game. The gulf in class between these two sides was massive - and that's not to take anything away from United - who I thought played it tactically right and did the best they could with limited resources.

I think that was what hurt most of all. Seeing a club, one that we've had some right royal battles with over the years - just stroke it around and toy with us. And seeing how technically superior they were to us - it just made me realise how far Sheffield United have fallen behind.

It exposed a lot of our players for what they are - enthusiastic lower division players. Lafferty, Basham, Carruthers, Stevens - these guys in particular looked like complete amateurs with their inability just to do the simple thing on the ball and pass it to one of our own players. Leicester made passing and movement look easy. And Leicester are not exactly setting the Premiership on fire this season. So, if you ever did want to know just how big the gap is between where we are now and the Premiership, this was a startling insight.

For the first time, last night, I came away thinking how torturous it would be if United do find themselves back in the Prem next season. Because, without significant investment, we can't live with teams like that, week in and week out. The gap is just too wide now to contemplate. But it's also only going to get wider.

So, if we are to ever be a major force in English football again - we need to get back to that level soon - and have considerable money behind us to even dream of staying there for more than one season.

I must have watched a different game to you. I'd class myself as a fair fan & I thought Leicester were generally poor & lacking in ideas. They have a couple of players who the team looks to produce something, but that's about it. Their success of the other season was the break down of the opposition & quick counter, they no longer do this and their build up can be slow with Ndidi & Iborra a level or so below Kante & Drinkwater. The modern style of cyclical passing between CB to DM to CB to FB to CB to DM isn't a sign of technically excellence, more a lack of confidence, an over reliance on safe possession and an inability to break down the opposition. It's a disease that's creeping into modern football. You could argue that they've got a number of younger players who will improve, but £30m for the that CM pairing is laughable.

At no point last night did I think they were 'toying' with us, that's all they had, they over passed it, because in the main, our set up & shape was spot on. Vardy for the most part was kept quiet, and was moving out of position to try and get the ball. Mahrez was doubled up on. Gray flitted in & out of the game and Iheanacho offered nothing. Simpson at full back is stealing a living for them, and Chilwell needs to add an end product to his ability to run fast in a straight line. As I said in a previous post, Maguire/Vardy/Mahrez will all be off at season's end, and then it'll be a relegation battle for them.
 
They have invested really well in their squad after having a pretty miraculous run to stay up under Pearson.

Getting Kante, Vardy and Mahrez for less than £9m would be a spectacular boost for any club of their/our size.

Leicester are an outlier. Almost every signing they made for 12-18 months paid off and made them a much richer club
 
They have invested really well in their squad after having a pretty miraculous run to stay up under Pearson.

Getting Kante, Vardy and Mahrez for less than £9m would be a spectacular boost for any club of their/our size.

Leicester are an outlier. Almost every signing they made for 12-18 months paid off and made them a much richer club

I'd add Drinkwater into the mix as well. £8.25m for the quartet, and over £200m in today's money. That was the blip that made them. A total fluke. Two have left already and it's effected the team, the other two will be gone in the summer. They'll do well out of Maguire, probably double/triple their money, but the pool they are fishing in is getting smaller and players don't want to play for Leicester City. They pished away £17m on Ahmed Mussa and £28m on Islam Slimani.
 
What's particularly galling for creditors is that to come out of administration, football creditors HAVE to be paid. That stinks. HMRC lost their preferential creditor status years ago and lost a court case about Football creditors being preferred. Keeps money in the game and fuck everyone else. Madness.

Totally agree. It is almost a licence for a badly run clubs to run amok with little downside.
 
I must have watched a different game to you. I'd class myself as a fair fan & I thought Leicester were generally poor & lacking in ideas. They have a couple of players who the team looks to produce something, but that's about it. Their success of the other season was the break down of the opposition & quick counter, they no longer do this and their build up can be slow with Ndidi & Iborra a level or so below Kante & Drinkwater. The modern style of cyclical passing between CB to DM to CB to FB to CB to DM isn't a sign of technically excellence, more a lack of confidence, an over reliance on safe possession and an inability to break down the opposition. It's a disease that's creeping into modern football. You could argue that they've got a number of younger players who will improve, but £30m for the that CM pairing is laughable.

At no point last night did I think they were 'toying' with us, that's all they had, they over passed it, because in the main, our set up & shape was spot on. Vardy for the most part was kept quiet, and was moving out of position to try and get the ball. Mahrez was doubled up on. Gray flitted in & out of the game and Iheanacho offered nothing. Simpson at full back is stealing a living for them, and Chilwell needs to add an end product to his ability to run fast in a straight line. As I said in a previous post, Maguire/Vardy/Mahrez will all be off at season's end, and then it'll be a relegation battle for them.

Agree. I can't agree with anyone who thought they were toying with us. Total bollox. They were just starting to run out of ideas to break us down (Vardy did have decent chance first half and we were lucky there) and I thought don't concede for the next 10 Utd and the plastic Leicester fans would start to get edgy and turn on them, they would start getting anxious and then we could have a go at them with 15 left. Unfortunately we conceded just as I thought we were looking really good for a shock result.

Take a couple of their top players away and they are another West Brom in waiting. I reckon we will be seeing them soon on an even playing field.

And another thing. Utd will always be a bigger club than Leicester. It's only a matter of time before the natural scale is restored and we look down on them. They are on borrowed time. Feel free to disagree. Lets see shall we....
 
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In order to make up for lost time, it might be policy for us to go into administration, owing millions, and never paying a St.Johns Ambulance bill of over £14,000

True enough though it's also fair to say the football club will have put millions more into the local economy and raised the profile of the city internationally over the last few years.
 
I didn't see the gulf that the OP did. I saw a makeshift second division team frustrate an expensively assembled, first choice, Leicester team. United had the best three chances of the game, but failed to convert before being undone by a fantastic header from Vardy. As for the stadium you must be having a laugh.A soulless, characterless bowl in the middle of nowhere. I chose to miss this game precisely because of this reason: I'd rather prioritise a better away game.Hull will be the same, and will be another I'll miss. If there Saturday games at least you can arrive late, and avoid the stadiums and surroundings for as long as possible. If we could swap everything with Leicester tomorrow, I wouldn't do it; we'd have to swap Bramall Lane with a soulless bowl.I personally thought O'Connell was man of the match. Blackman, Stevens,Wright and Baldock were also excellent. Carruthers was again invisible.For Leicester, all extremely average, except for Vardy and Mahrez.Their keeper looked unsteady under the high ball, but deserves a mention for a good save.
 

True enough though it's also fair to say the football club will have put millions more into the local economy and raised the profile of the city internationally over the last few years.

Millions more into the local economy....how exactly? The extra money they have had I turnover will have go on outgoings which is wages and transfer fees, or if they are making money...in dividend payments to shareholders. They might I suppose have contracted local builders to help build their training ground etc but I don't see where else they will have contributed substantially more to the local economy, since they ran away from their previous obligations.

If it is a case of not paying your way to have more money to help the local economy then do you think I have a case if I tell my taxman (who does rather well out of me.these days) that I shouldn't have to pay him amy money owed...the benefit being that I can put the extra money i have into the local pub, restaurant and hotel businesses and maybe tourist business instead ? Top idea really, count me in. Not sure the tax man will be so receptive though or any creditors that I may owe in my day to day business dealings.

As for Leicester raising the profile of the city...true enough. But only because they have had success on the back of unethical behaviour which allowed them to be in the position to profit in the first place. Leicester are stil best known as the place where a York loving fellow is buried. Nothing more.
 
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