How much would you sell Slew or Maguire for?

[Sothall_Blade]

By the end of the season they will have both started 4 or 5 matches at Championship level. A very similar situation to the one we had with Kyle Walker.

We know for a fact that United acccepted a deal worth up to £3M for Walker (i.e. £2M + £1M based on appearances). That's when we were arguably better off financially, so it's a safe bet that United's board would accept a lesser bid for either Slew or Maguire.

Many fans on here argued at the time (and still do) that the offer for Walker was simply too good to refuse and United were right to accept it. So the question is, if you were in charge what is the minimum offer you would accept if a bid came in for either Slew or Maguire? Or would you argue that the negative effect on fans morale would be too great to contemplate selling either at the moment.

(Let's assume for the sake of this poll that neither Slew or Maguire is actually pushing for a move and would be happy to stay with United)

 

[lenners]

How sad that you could barely wait to put this post up and that you indulge the notion that selling Walker for £3m was good business.
Are you actually a fan or an accountant or on commission from McCabe?

 

[Highbury_Blade]

You didn't put an option of free, just to get them off the wage bill.

 

[SteelCity Blade]

Totally different scenarios. At the time Walker/Naughton were sold United were doing well and one of the players in question had almost a full season under his belt. Both of them had also been tested on the big occasion so had big match experience.

Maguire and Slew have played 2 or 3 games each for a side at the wrong end of the table. Hardly enough of a big stage to be noticed by big clubs. I'm not saying they definately wont attract interest, but I highly doubt the likes of Tottenham and Everton will come calling just yet.

To answer your question I wouldnt even entertain the idea of selling youngsters at the minute. If they're any good we need to keep them at the club to spark a revival. We weren't as desperate when the Kyle's were here.

 

[Sothall_Blade]

How sad that you could barely wait to put this post up and that you indulge the notion that selling Walker for £3m was good business.
Are you actually a fan or an accountant or on commission from McCabe?

How sad that you didn't actually read my post properly before making snidy comments!
I said that some fans thought it was good business, which is quite true.
Personally I wouldn't have sold Walker and as you can see from my vote I wouldn't sell Slew or Maguire either.
I don't want it to happen but like relegation it's a valid and interesting topic for discussion.
I'm interested to gauge opinion about what other Blades fans think, even if you're not.

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Totally different scenarios. At the time Walker/Naughton were sold United were doing well and one of the players in question had almost a full season under his belt.

That's why I never mentioned Naughton. I think the situation with Walker in terms of age and appearances is very similar. Will/Should United take the same approach if an hypothetical offer is made?

 

[Balham]

Are you actually a fan or an accountant

Can I not be both then?

Selling Naughton seemed a good deal, selling Walker not so much. I'd have been happier to see Naughton go to Everton but I doubt anyone on here will ever know the full facts of the deal. If you were Kyle Walker and Spurs offered you 10 times the money you were earning at United and the potential to play in the European Cup, would you not want it?

The Slew/Maguire question is hypothetical. From a pure business perspective, you'd have to look at the opportunity presented through the sale of either. From a football club perspective, can they afford to alienate the fans any more?

From my point of view, if anyone came in for Slew I'd try and pull a fast one and sell them Bogdanovic.

 

[Jonny G]

I wouldn't want them to be sold, but would say their market value whilst under contract is maybe £1-2m each that would increase by another £500k after a full season of games under their belts. However once they are out of contract and under (is it?) 24 then their tribunal value would maybe only be £250-500k each judging by other deals.

Whether we like it or not, there might be players who are sold to fund salaries or reduce the wage bill and it crossed my mind that Bassett in the background may be no bad thing should this be necessary.

 

[SteelCity Blade]

That's why I never mentioned Naughton. I think the situation with Walker in terms of age and appearances is very similar. Will United take the same approach if an hypothetical offer is made?

I think the manager will be strongly encouraged to build a squad around academy graduates and younger players next season. He will almost certainly be forced to move some of the high earners on. If that proves to be the case then we cant afford to sell any of the kids whether we get an offer or not. In terms of finances I think the emphasis is going to be far more on cutting the wage bill than it will be about bringing in transfer fees.

The other aspect is how bad it would look to sell any of our youngsters at the moment. At a time when we are trying to build a culture/philosophy around using our academy as a breeding ground for the first team, it would be embarrasing for the directors if they sold any of the kids for less than a spectacular offer.....and I dont see the likes of Slew and Maguire attracting such offers just yet. After appointing Pembo to work on the club's production line and making all sorts of grey promises about self sustainability, surely the club couldnt entertain any sort of realistic offer for the kids?!

 

[lenners]

How sad that you didn't actually read my post properly before making snidy comments!
I said that some fans thought it was good business, which is quite true.
Personally I wouldn't have sold Walker and as you can see from my vote I wouldn't sell Slew or Maguire either.
I don't want it to happen but like relegation it's a valid and interesting topic for discussion.
I'm interested to gauge opinion about what other Blades fans think, even if you're not.

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That's why I never mentioned Naughton. I think the situation with Walker in terms of age and appearances is very similar. Will/Should United take the same approach if an hypothetical offer is made?

I read your post and I found it utterly depressing that any fan would want to start a thread akin to an auction for our young players.
It's sad enough that we're already thinking like that without fans setting up really stupid polls like this.

 

[Zlatan]

You'd have to seriously consider £3m, given our current state. That would fund four decent players on £7.5k a week for two seasons.

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

I thought it was £5M (+ £1M) for Kyle N and £3 (+ £1M) for Kyle W ? As others have said, the two Kyles were in the spotlight at the end of the season so there's no way we'd get offered that kind of money.

People need to stop moaning about us being a selling club, we are, and will continue to be, whilever we're outside the top flight. Let's face it every club is bar the top 4 or 5 in the Premiership.

 

[Sothall_Blade]

I read your post and I found it utterly depressing that any fan would want to start a thread akin to an auction for our young players.
It's sad enough that we're already thinking like that without fans setting up really stupid polls like this.

Big news Len. I've just heard Harry Redknapp on the phone!
He's heard that I'm auctioning off our young players and has slapped in a cheeky bid of £2.5M based on the votes cast so far.
I've informed McCabe (via our fans rep Batho) and he's going to wait until a few more people have voted before deciding what to do.

Do you believe that if you don't talk about something it won't happen?
Do you really think a poll on here will have any effect on what United's board decide to do?
If so, you should be delighted that 62% of fans agree with you and me that they shouldn't be sold at any price.

What does it matter to you anyway?
You won't be there because you'll be staging a one man season ticket boycott because the board didn't listen to what you posted on here.

 

[lenners]

I thought it was £5M (+ £1M) for Kyle N and £3 (+ £1M) for Kyle W ? As others have said, the two Kyles were in the spotlight at the end of the season so there's no way we'd get offered that kind of money.

People need to stop moaning about us being a selling club, we are, and will continue to be, whilever we're outside the top flight. Let's face it every club is bar the top 4 or 5 in the Premiership.

It's not that, it's the sad salivating over money by a fan which just underlines how far clubs - and supporters - have lost their focus of what the game's about.
£ signs are not the be all and end all.

 

[Sothall_Blade]

It's the sad salivating over money by a fan. £ signs are not the be all and end all.

Are you referring to me? I'll repeat that I don't think United should sell them at any price. How does that mean that I'm "salivating over money"?

 

[lenners]

Are you referring to me? I'll repeat that I don't think United should sell them at any price. How does that mean that I'm "salivating over money"?

It's the concept Sothall, that any fan would want to sell up a poll on how much you'd sell for.
It's the starting point that I reject.

 

[CopenhagenBlade]

It's the concept Sothall, that any fan would want to sell up a poll on how much you'd sell for.
It's the starting point that I reject.

Coming from you the 'fan' who beats the club with any stick that you can lay your hand.

 

[Tuns]

Under McCabe we had probably the most unequivocal statement of intent that we would not be selling our best young players. We threw millions at the academy with the promise that we would build our club around the youngsters it produced.

After 30 years of crap from chairmen, like many Blades I finally gave in and believed him and then the Kyles happened and I lost heart in my club.

I remember, particualrly younger Blades being almost excited at the prospect of getting so much for the Kyles. To be fair to them they probably haven't been supporting us long enough to know we just blew a once in a 20 or 40 year opportunity with the Kyles.

We had two players who were Blades, under contract and developing their game. It wasn't hard to get them to stay.

Instead we flog Walker for less than we had spent on Horsfield and Akinbiyi.

As for Slew and Maguire, we've now set the expectations and culture at the club for the good youngsters to expect a move very quickly after they get into the first team and that the club will not only not stand in their way but will make sure it happens.

Good luck to them. I hope everyone gets very rich out of it and maybe we can have an end of season 'we broke even party' down London Road at the end of next season.

 

[alcoblade]

My opinion on McCabe is fairly clear - but on this he acted in just aboiut the same way as every other chairman in the country would have acted, in the same position. I maintain that it's not the sale of the players as such that is the issue - it's the fact that the proceeds from those sales funded bricks and mortar / debt repaymentt, rather than other hungry players who actually wanted to play for us.

None of that will strike a chord from the many who believe that players can be paid in washers.

UTB

 

[lenners]

Coming from you the 'fan' who beats the club with any stick that you can lay your hand.

Your problem is you can't see the difference between the club and the people who run it.

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My opinion on McCabe is fairly clear - but on this he acted in just aboiut the same way as every other chairman in the country would have acted, in the same position. I maintain that it's not the sale of the players as such that is the issue - it's the fact that the proceeds from those sales funded bricks and mortar / debt repaymentt, rather than other hungry players who actually wanted to play for us.

None of that will strike a chord from the many who believe that players can be paid in washers.

UTB

Cobblers, I can think of very few clubs that were getting £20m from Tevez and £5m for Naughton that would then think, shit, we better sell Walker as well.
It was mismanagement of the kamikaze kind which was just one of many of the shit decisions on the conveyor belt to the 3rd division.

 

[alcoblade]

Your problem is you can't see the difference between the club and the people who run it.

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Cobblers, I can think of very few clubs that were getting £20m from Tevez and £5m for Naughton that would then think, shit, we better sell Walker as well.
It was mismanagement of the kamikaze kind which was just one of many of the shit decisions on the conveyor belt to the 3rd division.

Every decision the club ever makes is shit in your eyes Len. You are the classic broken clock example. It happens to be your moment in the sun right now.

The vast majority of mid range championship clubs will sell any player with 5 games under their and who wants out, for £4M. And they'd be right to.

Your lack of any grasp of financing the payment of players is made clear on the other thread right now.

UTB

 

[Vancouver]

Every decision the club ever makes is shit in your eyes Len. Your are the classic broken clock example. It happens to be your moment in the sun right now.

The vast majority of mid range championshoip club will sell any player with 5 games under their and who wants to belt for £4M. And they'd be right to.

Your lack of any grasp of financing the payment of players is made clear on the other thread right now.

UTB

I often wonder if the haters sent gift vouchers or thank you cards to those posters who put up threads that allow them to jump on their high horse for a few more days. Seems the polite thing to do.

 

[DronnieBlade]

In all honesty, some of the figures bandied around are cloud cuckoo land.

£1m buys you the pair of them and with change left.

Economic reality. What they are "worth" doesn't come in to it I am afraid.

 

[lenners]

Every decision the club ever makes is shit in your eyes Len. Your are the classic broken clock example. It happens to be your moment in the sun right now.

The vast majority of mid range championshoip club will sell any player with 5 games under their and who wants to belt for £4M. And they'd be right to.

Your lack of any grasp of financing the payment of players is made clear on the other thread right now.

UTB

Still cobblers and will always be so.
I don't mind when people can't admit they're wrong but continuing to compound it doesn't make sense.
You name me one 'mid-ranking Championship club' that got £20m handed on a plate by the way.
It has nothing to do with anyone being in their element now - it was pointed out fair and square at the time the damage that was being done.
It was right then and it is right now.
I've been right about most things to do with United - including plenty of things this season which brought the usual guffaws from the usual quarters.
Not all gobshites are wrong, this one has been bang on.

 

[Muttley]

We need to base a future on something. For me, the logical start would be to keep hold of up and coming talent and try to build, not sell for a quick fix and alienate even more fans. Thinking longterm for a change just might be better.

 

[alcoblade]

I don't mind when people can't admit they're wrong but continuing to compound it doesn't make sense.

Now coming from you, that is pure comedy genius!

I'll let you into a little secret Len - In spite of the £20M Tevez money, we still made HUGE losses. I suggest you look up debt in the dictionary. Then look what ours is /was. While you're there, look up "washers". The penny might drop that you can't pay them with 'em.

It's complete lack of financial sense that got us into the situation that meant £4M offers for academy players was inevitable. That's what's bang on.

UTB