How long do we give Wilder?

[SwissBlade]

Actually, it has. Up to the point Ings and Cannon went off we were terrible.

We were gifted back into the game with some of the most inept defending from a corner you could ever see by a professional team. Up to that moment it had looked like we were probably going to concede a 2nd.

After our equaliser Blackburn fell to pieces and some confidence did at least return to our own play, not least the 2nd goal, but the game was still in the balance till injury time.

Anyone thinking the tide has somehow turned already is jumping the gun. We still look like a bog-standard Championship side with little invention and a defence that could go AWOL at any moment.

A welcome result, on its own, doesn't mean there are no issues. The general standard of our play is still rotten.

Thread started during the game when we were losing a game 1-0 in which we came back and won 1-3...

Gifted or not, we got back into the game.
Cannon and Ings got good minutes in their legs and allowed us to use the squad
3 points and 3 goals. Wilder has taken 9 points and moved us off the bottom of the the league in the last 2 games since he's had time to work with the squad in the international break.

Of course there are still issues. The manager inherited a mess and doesn't have all the players he needs right now

 

[gordoncharles]

Thread started during the game when we were losing a game 1-0 in which we came back and won 1-3...

Gifted or not, we got back into the game.
Cannon and Ings got good minutes in their legs and allowed us to use the squad
3 points and 3 goals. Wilder has taken 9 points and moved us off the bottom of the the league in the last 2 games since he's had time to work with the squad in the international break.

Of course there are still issues. The manager inherited a mess and doesn't have all the players he needs right now

All that is completely true but I'm reading on this thread about a "magnifcent" performance. People are talking about the play-offs after this. Did some folk watch the game or just make it up from the result or radio commentary like the berks on FH?

The important thing right now is to reach 50 points in the shortest time possible, which I have no doubt will be achieved. If this side later carries all before it I will be as pleased as anyone else, but last night a really poor team, also devoid of confidence, managed to get 34 crosses in against our defence. We're currently a long way from escaping the relegation zone.

 

[blade too long]

Anyone thinking the tide has somehow turned already is jumping the gun. We still look like a bog-standard Championship side with little invention and a defence that could go AWOL at any moment

coventry apart every team looks bog standard.
last 6 games weve conceded 5 , only top 2 have conceded less

 

[AWetFlannel]

Actually, it has. Up to the point Ings and Cannon went off we were terrible.

We were gifted back into the game with some of the most inept defending from a corner you could ever see by a professional team. Up to that moment it had looked like we were probably going to concede a 2nd.

After our equaliser Blackburn fell to pieces and some confidence did at least return to our own play, not least the 2nd goal, but the game was still in the balance till injury time.

Anyone thinking the tide has somehow turned already is jumping the gun. We still look like a bog-standard Championship side with little invention and a defence that could go AWOL at any moment.

A welcome result, on its own, doesn't mean there are no issues. The general standard of our play is still rotten.

When Ings and Cannon went off it was 1-1 and the game had been very even up to that point, which the stats also indicated.

You're defending a thread that was made about sacking the manager when we'd won three days before.

The general standard of your analysis is rotten. The tide has obviously turned as we're getting points. "We still look like a bog-standard Championship side", which you somehow don't think is an improvement from being a historically awful Championship side with 0 points bottom of the table.

 

[blade too long]

but last night a really poor team, also devoid of confidence, managed to get 34 crosses in against our defence. We're currently a long way from escaping the relegation zone.

or the positive view , we dealt with 34 crosses admirably
their goal was from a mis hit shot which fell very nicely to them
as to us being gifted a goal good header back in the box caused panic , Sounami definitely got a touch

 

[vas borbokis]

I wish those that can't bring themselves to give Wilder and his team any credit would just STFU.
You are not United supporters, whatever you might think. It's like trying to move forwards while towing a trailer full of shit coated lead.
He didn't have to come back. Could've said "fuck you" to COH and all of you lot dragging the place down, but he's a blade, he's here, and he's turning this shitshow of a season around for us.
I for one fully appreciate it. Thank you CW.

 

[Sheffsteel]

If we’re genuinely look like being relegated around Feb/ Marc time…..then expect the owners to change managers.
They won’t just sit back and watch us be relegated with no action.

However of course don’t think we’ll be anywhere near relegation by Feb/ March time next season.
So basically Wilder is staying until next season at least.

 

[Millhousesblade1889]

Genuinely. Performances have been terrible. “Honeymoon” period is over. Seems like he’s lost the plot playing Ings in the 10 role.

When you’re next frustrated before the games actually finished & you’re tempted to start a silly thread.

Write it down, look at it, delete it.

 

[Grey Blade]

When you’re next frustrated before the games actually finished & you’re tempted to start a silly thread.

Write it down, look at it, delete it.

We should maybe have a 'knee jerk' thread but I suppose Shoutbox has that function during games. It's certainly not the place to find rational comments during a game - we go from relegation candidates to the playoffs in the space of 20 minutes (or less).

 

[Cheesebored]

Cant agree. We still have 35 or so games to play this season, ans by the last match as far as the Championship relegation places are concerned, we will be over the hills and far away. Probably pushing for top 10 would be my pitch. There is no way on earth that we go down under CW, so start to relax a bit as i can only see us going one way now and fairly quickly too now that hes getting a team playing together again and confidence is coming back. Yes, there will be bumps on the way as usual, but they will only be brief and sparodic. So sleep tight angel face, the Wilder's on the case.

Fair enough but can't agree. It's a poor side he's got to work with and Blackburn and Watford were poor too. I agree Wilders the man if anyone can do it but there's minimal quality in depth in the squad which is a worry. Definitely not out of the mire yet by any stretch of the imagination.

 

[LiamBG]

When you’re next frustrated before the games actually finished & you’re tempted to start a silly thread.

Write it down, look at it, delete it.

Not knee jerk, I stand by it. Performances have been garbage, a couple of results don’t paper over that IMO.

 

[Koh Samui Blade]

I mean this might be a valid point, If it wasn’t for last season. can tell me any game last season Sheffield United played well under Chris Wilder except for the Coventry game?

We played well enough to get 92 points, what more can he do.Is it his fault that the players lost their bottle in the run in and at Wembley?

 

[S74Blade]

Get Blaster and Gus back fit and firing, Dump Cannon in Jan for a striker with pace and we’ll be reyt

I’d prefer to just dump him now. Send him out on loan. He is a complete liability!!

 

[Tom Bott]

My concern is that matches are always close and can easily be lost, both Saturday and tonight could’ve been lost.

Would have under Selles.

 

[luffenhamblade]

Soumare has the ability to be better than Souza IMO

Sometime after he moves on from us probably

 

[N20 Blade]

I’d prefer to just dump him now. Send him out on loan. He is a complete liability!!

Problem being who would be willing to take him and pay the wages? Perhaps we can arrange a 50/50 deal, but it will be tricky. Realistically, it appears Wilder won't use One or Marsh, so with Campbell incapable of a full 90 minutes and Ings injury prone, it seems highly likely Cannon will continue to start one in three, one in four, given the fixture congestion in this league. Not good, but it is what it is.

 

[SwissBlade]

All that is completely true but I'm reading on this thread about a "magnifcent" performance. People are talking about the play-offs after this. Did some folk watch the game or just make it up from the result or radio commentary like the berks on FH?

The important thing right now is to reach 50 points in the shortest time possible, which I have no doubt will be achieved. If this side later carries all before it I will be as pleased as anyone else, but last night a really poor team, also devoid of confidence, managed to get 34 crosses in against our defence. We're currently a long way from escaping the relegation zone.

I've only read the OP and your replies to me... I think if we're arguing that a 1-3 away win, coming from behind, having been rooted to the bottom of the league just days ago, given the management change, the player changes and the start we've had to this season, that this isn't anything other than a very big result, then we may as well shut up shop as fans.

Even in a promotion season, we'd be calling it a very good away win, professional, doing our job properly at a tricky place to go.

Perspective is obviously needed. We're clearly not a polished side and Blackburn are also struggling, they have to be for us to leapfrog them.

We don't need to oversell it, but we don't need to down play it for what it is. A very decent win.

 

[vas borbokis]

Not knee jerk, I stand by it. Performances have been garbage, a couple of results don’t paper over that IMO.

Thought for the day..
When you're digging a hole that's getting too deep to climb out of you need to stop digging.

 

[1987]

Actually, it has. Up to the point Ings and Cannon went off we were terrible.

We were gifted back into the game with some of the most inept defending from a corner you could ever see by a professional team. Up to that moment it had looked like we were probably going to concede a 2nd.

After our equaliser Blackburn fell to pieces and some confidence did at least return to our own play, not least the 2nd goal, but the game was still in the balance till injury time.

Anyone thinking the tide has somehow turned already is jumping the gun. We still look like a bog-standard Championship side with little invention and a defence that could go AWOL at any moment.

A welcome result, on its own, doesn't mean there are no issues. The general standard of our play is still rotten.

How did it age well?

Obviously there are issues, the team were a national laughing stock. You don't just get over that and start playing with confidence.

But they've just delivered us 2 wins in 2. They've just pulled themselves off the deck and scored 3 second half goals.

We were all disappointed in the first half, it was poor - but there's being disappointed, and then there's that OP.

Instead of our lads winning "because Blackburn fell to pieces", how about they won because they made it happen? And being happy about that fact.

 

[nopigfansintown]

We're in a relegation battle. That's our level. Our players aren't very good, our squad is injury prone and full of fitness issues. If you're expecting champagne football or a surge up to the top of the league it's maybe time for a reality check?

Results and performances like last night and Saturday are magnificent (yes, the correct term was used). Hopefully we can stay out of the bottom three pre January, sign a few and kick on. Here's hoping. As it is every point is massive. Away wins from a goal down in multiple game weeks are priceless for this squad.

 

[Badger Blade]

After we went behind, the commentator on Sky (Iwelumo?) said that we needed to show some character.

Character that hadn't been shown whatsoever until Wilder returned. Until that point, every game we'd conceded first in, we fell apart and lost without looking remotely threatening. Under Selles, that team would have gone on and lost that 3-0. Heads would have dropped and it would be same old, same old.

It was a key victory already where if we'd have lost that, the gap would have re-opened itself and we'd need to put together another run of victories.

The fact that they had it in them, not only to pull it back but go on and win convincingly proved that this team has enough about it to at least be competitive in this division and will be a massive confidence boost for them having been at rock bottom until now.

The football hasn't been pretty but at the moment it doesn't need to be, nor can it be, especially with our limitations up front in terms of fitness, mobility and general footballing acumen.

Get something out of Preston, beat Derby and all of a sudden, we're clawing our way back towards respectability again.

 

[Kenilworth]

Sometime after he moves on from us probably

Ha.
I do like what I see of the lad. He has the potential to go very far.

 

[Berkshire Blade]

I wish those that can't bring themselves to give Wilder and his team any credit would just STFU.

I dunno it provides some humour when it blows up in their face.

 

[Gimli]

I assume the OP is asking how long do we give Wilder when we offer him a contract extension…

 

[Koh Samui Blade]

I’d prefer to just dump him now. Send him out on loan. He is a complete liability!!

Cant send him anywhere yet till January, even then, who is going to want him?

 

[dc_blade]

Wilder's strengths and weaknesses both on show so far.

Weaknesses: we still struggle to create, which has been an issue for a long time; we have long spells in games where we look very unconvincing.

Strengths: he has the players playing for each other again; he knows how to set a team up with a good shape out of possession so we look a lot more solid; he has a strange knack of winning games where we don't look very good.

3-1 flattered us a bit last night but we had a good 30 minute spell after the subs. The players look happy again. I don't think it's going to be scintillating football but I'm not worried about relegation anymore.

 

[blade too long]

Weaknesses: we still struggle to create,

If we only had players like Hamer and Arblaster

making good steady progress, with several new faces , no doubt Wilder might not have brought in
Coventry put faith in Lampard to improve what they had, pity we didnt. A 10 per cent improvement could have seen us hit 100 points

 

[dc_blade]

If we only had players like Hamer and Arblaster

We struggled to create with Hamer in the team, too.

 

[blade too long]

We struggled to create with Hamer in the team, too.

all creative players rely on others giving them the ball , Selles had no idea how to do that

 

[Kenilworth]

Wilder's strengths and weaknesses both on show so far.

Weaknesses: we still struggle to create, which has been an issue for a long time; we have long spells in games where we look very unconvincing.

Strengths: he has the players playing for each other again; he knows how to set a team up with a good shape out of possession so we look a lot more solid; he has a strange knack of winning games where we don't look very good.

3-1 flattered us a bit last night but we had a good 30 minute spell after the subs. The players look happy again. I don't think it's going to be scintillating football but I'm not worried about relegation anymore.

I see all that as the precursor to building back the confidence.
First target is to get some consistency and move away from the bottom.
Second is to reach a point where we are looking up and not down.
Third is to be in a race to chase down the pack.
Those three need confidence, consistency and the scoring of multiple goals a game.
Yes, it comes to your point of creating chances but they comes from instilling a shape and confidence for the better players to do their stuff

Now we are getting better and not rolling over like we were under the previous, I can see us flirting with the play offs if we improve in Jan and get some of the injured players back.