How are we managing to keep clean sheets without Doyle starting?

[Darthblade]

The "no's" have it. That's democracy.

Thing is four consecutive managers know better, thank goodness.

The lad won't be here next season, pay him some respect FGS.

I did that mate ... he's a nice guy good work off the pitch, great ambassador for the Club, speaks well.

Just that he's immobile, cant pass water, cant shoot, can't catch up to opposition to tackle them on the pitch. Maybe a place on the coaching side but just not ON the pitch.
UTB & FTP

 

[Bladebri]

The thing is if he does start on Saturday, and plays well one set of fans are going to say told you so, if he plays and has a mediocre game then the other set of fan will say the same, then it starts all over again, let's see how things progress to the end of the season, then make a judgement.

 

[Bladebri]

Nothing to apologise for, you're not the person who used scum to describe one of our players.

No one should use social media to voice abuse, in any form, just my view.

 

[Gavlar]

Gavlar, you've commented about the use of the word cunt - somehow the use of C seems to invest the word with an even seedier nastiness than simply calling it what it is - but I respect your view on this. I must admit, I've used the word on various posts, although I can't recall directing it towards anyone in particular (if I have then it shows what a sieve of a memory I sometimes have). It's a very personal thing, some people like it, others don't. I'll respect anyone's opinion about this, but flipping that over I hope they'd respect my right to use that word. I haven't used it towards MiserableBlader, I saw no point. But I think posters should be allowed to think for themselves, and, if necessary, suffer any consequence that they deserve. Personally, the use of cunt is strong but hardly worthy of censoring.

Fair enough mate, we're all entitled to our view, I cant think of a worse word personally. I agree it was wrong to call Doyle scum, I just wasn't convinced the solution was to use a more abusive word, esp as it was directed to a particular poster. Part of the rules for this forum are to debate the issue not the person.

 

[itsinyerblood]

Fair enough mate, we're all entitled to our view, I cant think of a worse word personally. I agree it was wrong to call Doyle scum, I just wasn't convinced the solution was to use a more abusive word, esp as it was directed to a particular poster. Part of the rules for this forum are to debate the issue not the person.

In part I'd agree, far too many assume tactics that attack rather than addressing the topic in hand. The exception though, at least for myself, would be if the quality (perhaps lack of quality) of a reply were intended to intimidate, belittle, or threaten, then I feel a poster has the right to use whatever he/she feels is appropriate. It might seem a bit obvious, but first let's deal with what prompted said comment rather than dissect what's caused the response in the first place.

 

[FTPE]

Come on fellas, I think we can all agree that "scum" was uncalled for, c#%t was a bit harsh, and that Doyle should start on the bench Saturday.

 

[Gavlar]

In part I'd agree, far too many assume tactics that attack rather than addressing the topic in hand. The exception though, at least for myself, would be if the quality (perhaps lack of quality) of a reply were intended to intimidate, belittle, or threaten, then I feel a poster has the right to use whatever he/she feels is appropriate. It might seem a bit obvious, but first let's deal with what prompted said comment rather than dissect what's caused the response in the first place.

I felt that many folks had commented on the inappropriateness of the word scum used, so by the time I posted there was in my view a worse word used that hadn't been commented on. My only other issue is saying 'whatever he/she feels is appropriate'. For me that gets into dangerous ground of "my right is more right than yours". It seems like we would then be defending other intimidating, belittling, etc because the original poster deserves it. Which for me is where two wrongs don't make a right. Far better to stick to the forum rules in my view.

 

[itsinyerblood]

I felt that many folks had commented on the inappropriateness of the word scum used, so by the time I posted there was in my view a worse word used that hadn't been commented on. My only other issue is saying 'whatever he/she feels is appropriate'. For me that gets into dangerous ground of "my right is more right than yours". It seems like we would then be defending other intimidating, belittling, etc because the original poster deserves it. Which for me is where two wrongs don't make a right. Far better to stick to the forum rules in my view.

I agree that there needs to be some type of guiding principle that is fair, coherent, and able to be understood by everyone. What you don't want is a landscape that allows threats or offensive comments to appear yet prevents a poster from replying, so the manner in which you respond (being equally offensive/threatening) will result in a ban to be determined by the forum's admin.

We could discuss the respective merits of specific words, but I feel we'd be on dodgy ground as this type of thing is subjective, so apart from admin, who determines what words should or shouldn't be used or are applicable?

 

[HillmortonBlade]

I agree that there needs to be some type of guiding principle that is fair, coherent, and able to be understood by everyone. What you don't want is a landscape that allows threats or offensive comments to appear yet prevents a poster from replying, so the manner in which you respond (being equally offensive/threatening) will result in a ban to be determined by the forum's admin.

We could discuss the respective merits of specific words, but I feel we'd be on dodgy ground as this type of thing is subjective, so apart from admin, who determines what words should or shouldn't be used or are applicable?

It's a good point. Perhaps I am old fashioned, but I was always told that the C word was the naughtiest of all. I can not deny I am one for colourful language, including the afore-mentioned word. But I still think it is better used for those occasions when nothing else will suffice, and consequences be damned. And calling a Blade scum with no apparent justification is heading towards that territory. On the other hand, being a bit old school, I worry about ladies and children seeing the word used. Old fashioned and proud of it.

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

Somebody posted a link to a Doyle interview which I think must have been after a play-off semi-final win, or maybe a cup win. He spoke with real passion about his love for the club. It was great to hear, and tbh a revelation to me. Does anyone know the interview I'm referring to and does anyone have a link? If so it might be worth including in this thread.

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

Apologies if this interview has already been posted before, but great little piece from Doyle from after the Charlton game last season, fast forward to 2mins 48secs: https://audioboom.com/boos/1978298-...-how-we-brought-it-you-on-bbc-radio-sheffield

Doyle has had a lot of stick from fans over the years, but this just goes to show how much he loves the club.
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Found it in another Doyle thread. Well worth listening to.

 

[FTPE]

Found it in another Doyle thread. Well worth listening to.

I will check it out in the morning mate, things like that do mean a lot to me. I remember seeing McCleverley celebrate like this- since then I've always had a soft spot for him

 

[itsinyerblood]

Found it in another Doyle thread. Well worth listening to.

I heard that first time around mate. How anyone, after listening to Doyle, could even imagine calling him scum, let alone actually saying it, well it defies common decency. I think we all take football seriously, sometimes too seriously, we all think we could do a better job than the manager, etc, etc, yet do any of us stop for a moment and consider that these are people with feelings too? An apology's in order, otherwise the person who called Doyle that word should feel ashamed of themselves.

 

[Bladebri]

I heard that first time around mate. How anyone, after listening to Doyle, could even imagine calling him scum, let alone actually saying it, well it defies common decency. I think we all take football seriously, sometimes too seriously, we all think we could do a better job than the manager, etc, etc, yet do any of us stop for a moment and consider that these are people with feelings too? An apology's in order, otherwise the person who called Doyle that word should feel ashamed of themselves.

Agree totally.

 

[LSF]

I heard that first time around mate. How anyone, after listening to Doyle, could even imagine calling him scum, let alone actually saying it, well it defies common decency. I think we all take football seriously, sometimes too seriously, we all think we could do a better job than the manager, etc, etc, yet do any of us stop for a moment and consider that these are people with feelings too? An apology's in order, otherwise the person who called Doyle that word should feel ashamed of themselves.

My thoughts exactly when I retorted with this seemingly 'offensive' description of the original perpetrator.
I guess its my gutteral roots that kicked in, if someone hits you, hit em back kinda thing, only harder.
As I say, happy to take any infraction coming my way....

 

[Cyprus Blade]

I wholeheartedly agree that the word scum shouldn't have been used in the context of Doyle (I'm not dewy eyed enough to think that wearing a blades shirt exempts anyone from being called it though - just that using it in Doyle's case devalues the impact of the word when it is appropriate - otherwise I would have to think of something else for Marlon King ). And I'm with the camp against calling someone the C word for the same reasons - not nice or reasoned to call someone a Curran.

I have never doubted Doyle's commitment, more his technique and value in some of the games this season, especially at home. Doyle's superb 40 yard ball to the right wing in the last 5 minutes was made more memorable by its singularity. Just like his goal. I think he has a role to play in the remaining fixtures - just not as a first choice starter every game (and I think that is good - we are starting to progress there finally). Closing off games and in the derbies I would expect him to feature at some point. Whether we are Championship or Division 1 next season I doubt there will still be a place for him here then so he will be on his way with a thank you for his efforts.

Wallace - the bloke has been out so long the question I was going to ask whether he will he be match fit in time for the play-offs but I think I will confine myself to wondering whether he will ever be match fit. A real shame but if he is injured so frequently his value to us is dubious and greatly diminished despite his obvious talent.

UTB

 

[Chezzy Blades]

I remember us losing 1-0 on a Tuesday at Crewe under Morgan just before the Yeovil play off debacle and Doyle coming over to give the fans some stick after the game.

I'd been to every game that season (and since, god knows why) and never wanted to see Doyle play for us again after that.

The bloke couldn't have changed my mind anymore since. He's now my favourite current player, knows his limitations and does the job he's asked to do to the best of his ability. There's been times this season when some players effort and commitment have come into question, I defy anyone to put Doyle in this category, he's exactly what being a Blades player should be all about. Heart, passion and desire.