Hoof who loves it ?

[Sean Thornton]

I miss the days of when Brian Gayle, Sean Murphy, Holdsworth and Morgs used to just Twat it to clear their lines. Beesley was always aiming for the Southstand roof with his clearances.

Now we've either got poncey 'play it from the back' shit or Collins trying to clear his lines by playing it to the opposition strikers

Never convinced Beesley was "aiming".

 

[Lane Ender]

well they would have presence just after xmas
I got lots of xmas presence

Hilarious

 

[Bladesway]

In American football its called a Hail Mary pass, its treated as evangelical

And in cricket it scores 6 runs. That's about as relevant as your comment about a totally different sport.

Shouldn't there be a third option anyway? Mixture of the two when required because that is what the best teams do.

 

[SwissBlade]

Never convinced Beesley was "aiming".

I'm yet to be convinced "Spoon boots" had any control over his body at all

 

[blade too long]

I wont hear any disparaging remarks about Socrates Beesley
I clearly remember him passing to one of our players on several occasions

 

[judge]

Remember him passing to marco gabiadini on 2 occasions
I actually think beesley fancied himself as a ball playing centre half early in his blades career
After a few calamitous attempts at playing accross his penalty area that soon changed

 

[Bergen Blade]

I'm yet to be convinced "Spoon boots" had any control over his body at all

I once saw Beesley score a carbon copy of Glyn Hodges' lob over Schmeichel.

 

[SwissBlade]

I once saw Beesley score a carbon copy of Glyn Hodges' lob over Schmeichel.

Yeah but Thankfully those dark days in and out of the Priory with Amy Winehouse are behind you now Bergs

 

[Jonboy60]

I'm pleading the fifth amendment.

 

[CarlingBlade]

I once saw Beesley score a carbon copy of Glyn Hodges' lob over Schmeichel.

Wasn't Beez a midfielder/defender when we signed him?

 

[SwissBlade]

I wont hear any disparaging remarks about Socrates Beesley
I clearly remember him passing to one of our players on several occasions

Remember him passing to marco gabiadini on 2 occasions
I actually think beesley fancied himself as a ball playing centre half early in his blades career
After a few calamitous attempts at playing accross his penalty area that soon changed

In fairness i think there was a footballing brain in there. Trouble was, the wiring to his legs sometimes resulted in a break down of communication, resulting in a complete and utter shambles and shinning the ball 60yards into the sky!

 

[blade too long]

In fairness i think there was a footballing brain in there. Trouble was, the wiring to his legs sometimes resulted in a break down of communication, resulting in a complete and utter shambles and shinning the ball 60yards into the sky!

or....
he was so skilful he could pass with his shin

 

[Tyler Durden]

My favourite approach is when they make the ball go into the net by any means necessary.

Makes my fucking piss fizz when people prattle on about the importance of "playing the right way" as if extra points are rewarded. Fuck tippy tappy crap, it's no use if you don't have the players to utilise it.

 

[SwissBlade]

or....
he was so skilful he could pass with his shin

Often to himself!

 

[SwissBlade]

My favourite approach is when they make the ball go into the net by any means necessary.

Makes my fucking piss fizz when people prattle on about the importance of "playing the right way" as if extra points are rewarded. Fuck tippy tappy crap, it's no use if you don't have the players to utilise it.

Billy's goal v Coventry was a "worldie"

 

[Silent Blade]

TC used to hoof it.

Not really, his long passes were always accurate that landed on the strikers feet (usually Dearden or Woody). A hoof is usually a hopeful punt to a tall strikers head.

 

[bornablade]

Not really, his long passes were always accurate that landed on the strikers feet (usually Dearden or Woody). A hoof is usually a hopeful punt to a tall strikers head.

Sorry Silent I'm not very good at this but I was trying to be ironic.

 

[Alfreton14Blade]

Football, please. (Doesn't mean it can't be aggressive, attacking, vibrant, characterful, able to make use of long passes or in-the-stands clearances when needed, etc. - Germany rather than Spain as template.)

Hoof is just horrible. As evidenced in the second half v Shrewsbury. (There again, the absolute horror show in the first half was even worse, but that hardly qualifies as football.)

 

[UnitedBlade]

No such thing as hoof. Tired cliché, for probably two different styles of play. In the 50s Charles Reep came up with the idea of 'kick and rush' and the statistical suggestion that most goals are scored after 3 passes or less. In modern parlance the basis was to hit long balls into the channels for a tall centre-forward to head on/control. Wolves of the 50s had great success with this and much of the success of Norway under Egil 'Drillo' Olsen and the influencial of Nils Arne Eggen was based on a more sophisticated counter-attacking version of 'kick and rush'.

Later, Charles Hughes in his book, The Winning Formula: The Football Association Soccer Skills and Tactics, argues that most goals are scored within 5 passes. This version of the long-ball game gave rise to the game we recognise under Bassett et al.

As an all-consuming philosophy and style of play it has almost disappeared. Teams will employ similar tactics for certain situations (Mourinho will employ it quite often) but hardly ever is this the sole way teams play (whereas Wimbledon, Watford and us did it for several seasons). The legacy lives on in other ways, indeed I watched Norway several times in the recent qualifying competition and some Olsen trademarks (continuous runs without the ball "å være best uten ball" , zonal marking, very fast and direct counter-attacking) are still very evident.

Football has moved on and evolved and will continue to do so. Styles and tactics come and go, just as few teams are now playing the pure tiki-taka style of Spain and Barcelona of 5 years ago.

Don't start bringing reasoned debate into this.

That is not the game played in forum discussion at all.

 

[Bladesway]

In fairness i think there was a footballing brain in there. Trouble was, the wiring to his legs sometimes resulted in a break down of communication, resulting in a complete and utter shambles and shinning the ball 60yards into the sky!

Gayle and Beesley were about as anti football as you could get. In a time when this was required however they were the glue that enabled us to defend and scared the living daylights out of any centre forward who didn't have the stomach. Thow in Vinny Jones and there can't have been many fancied taking us on.

That said going forward we had the ability with players like Hodges and Franz Carr to be quite cultured. Watch the demolition of Spurs and you will see quality within.

I wish we had that spine and quality now. If we did we wouldn't be where we are today.

 

[Hamburg Blade]

I'm also of the opinion that there's no such thing as "hoof". I remember the exciting, attacking football under Bassett and it wasn't hoof - or at least what people class as hoof and ascribed it to our team.
As has been pointed out, when other teams play long, searching balls or diagonal crosses to the edge of the box from just inside the half-way line, there's not a mention of hoof.
The thing that's changed since Bassett is the defence. A good old English defender would hoof the ball out without looking - safety first - and was probably incapable of doing anything else. Which was also why goalkeepers would always boot it long, because the defenders couldn't be trusted with the ball. They were there to block, tackle and hoof it out of play or upfield.
Now, defenders have to bring it forward, run the wings, thread the ball to midfield, take it from the keeper back to front. Fine, except not all defenders can, especially at our level.
I love to see passing football, incisive passes, crosses from the byline, but I hate to see passing for the sake of it. Across the back four, pass up to a midfielder with his back to the opposition goal and a man on him just to receive it back, it's mindless, boring and achieves nothing. (Coventry did it constantly.)
If our defenders can't dribble the ball or make a clean pass 9 times out of 10, then let em hoof. The rest of the team will play a mixture of passes and longer balls / crosses depending on their ability. The higher up the leagues we go, the better players we have, the prettier it will look. At the moment it won't look so co-ordinated, which is okay. A pass should, however, whenever possible, be forwards.

 

[CarlMcBlade]

Stupid boy!

 

[Swanseablade]

I wont hear any disparaging remarks about Socrates Beesley
I clearly remember him passing to one of our players on several occasions

They're the days he had his boots on the "right" feet!

Just kidding - big fan Beeeees.......

 

[Swanseablade]

Gayle and Beesley were about as anti football as you could get. In a time when this was required however they were the glue that enabled us to defend and scared the living daylights out of any centre forward who didn't have the stomach. Thow in Vinny Jones and there can't have been many fancied taking us on.

Gayle & Bees weren't cultured footballers for sure, but solid centre halves nevertheless. We use to be famous for having pukka centre backs that were reliable &/or "unmitigating."
Stan, Vonk, Short, Page, Tuttle, Killa, McGrath, Holdsworth, there is a pretty hefty list of them, Harry Maguire was probably the last one!
What happened to that reputation?

Must take issue with you regarding Vinny tho. Thought he was absolute dog shit for us. He wasn't intimidating IMO - sure he got booked loads (but it's not the same thing) thought he was a shadow of the player that L**ds had when they went up with us.
We've had hard/intimating players in the past, but Vinny wasn't one of them I'm afraid:
Billy Tightshirt is No. 1 (no question).
Also Morgs. Bradders, Booker, Charlie H, Brownie, McGrath & yes even Chris Kamara (for a short time)

UTB
FTP

 

[judge]

Gayle & Bees weren't cultured footballers for sure, but solid centre halves nevertheless. We use to be famous for having pukka centre backs that were reliable &/or "unmitigating."
Stan, Vonk, Short, Page, Tuttle, Killa, McGrath, Holdsworth, there is a pretty hefty list of them, Harry Maguire was probably the last one!
What happened to that reputation?

Must take issue with you regarding Vinny tho. Thought he was absolute dog shit for us. He wasn't intimidating IMO - sure he got booked loads (but it's not the same thing) thought he was a shadow of the player that L**ds had when they went up with us.
We've had hard/intimating players in the past, but Vinny wasn't one of them I'm afraid:
Billy Tightshirt is No. 1 (no question).
Also Morgs. Bradders, Booker, Charlie H, Brownie, McGrath & yes even Chris Kamara (for a short time)

UTB
FTP

Bradders used to love playing stuart pysch pearce and booting him up and down our right hand side
Kamara had one really interesting game where he seemed to follow paul ince( man yoos hardman )around just sledging him ince was innefective and we won

 

[Swanseablade]

Bradders used to love playing stuart pysch pearce and booting him up and down our right hand side
Kamara had one really interesting game where he seemed to follow paul ince( man yoos hardman )around just sledging him ince was innefective and we won

It's a shame we didn't see the best of Kamara - in his time he was solid & backed down from nobody. Even if the legs had gone somewhat when we had him - think he still had the Rep amongst fellow professionals & "unsettled the opposition."
Think Vinny was treated as a joke by our opponents & they knew sooner or later he would be booked &/or sent off (it was often sooner rather than later).

 

[shorehamview]

A thread about hoof and nobody has thought about the poor horse?


Twats, the lot of you.

 

[Paulus]

I prefer the term "Ale House Ball" to Hoof - first heard it from the lips of that paragon of cultured football Tommy Smith where he was being interviewed by some sycophantic journalist who was waxing lyrical about Liverpool's cultured play and Smith pulled him up and said (paraphrase) You play the way you need to in order to win, if that means the Ale House Ball that's what we'll do.

 

[eric_oulthwaite]

was in not hoof that Van Nisterooy did exactly the same at old Trafford

is it hoof when beckham was dropping it on his big toe or a long pass?

 

[eric_oulthwaite]

You know what used to irritate me back in the 90s?
How a run of the mill team were classed as hoofing the ball yet on match of the day a player of a fancy club would always have the vision to play a "delightful long pass" and "pick someone out"
Now that used to rile the tits off me

I can agree with that. I think with Beckham, maybe scholes it was genuinely great passing but Gerrard and others were just long balls.