Hero to Zero to Hero in 10 Days - What next?

[Rodders]

Mentioning no names I reckon it would be a good idea for some to read every post they have written these past 10 days. Of course it's their privilege but to pretend nothing happened is self delusional.

My point in writing this OP is to encourage posters to count to 10 next time things go wrong and make measured comments which are not simply rants for letting off steam and rather show some bottle and sense of knowing where we are as a club and that our manager is the very early stages of what he is trying to achieve. Why? Because it's in all our interests to unite the club and encourage our manager and owners to back us as much as we back them - that's called loyalty and a relationship which can grow over time.

In another thread a serious poster makes the valid comment that our new owner could pack it all in at some stage. It would be best if we fans didn't drive him away and the manager come to that, because our manager would undoubtedly get another good job elsewhere if he chose to leave.

Apart from all that the manager has only been in post 70 odd days - fact.

My signature for the past year has been " If we sign good players and play positive football let's look for stability" We may be nearly there, but as some say above, it's very early days.

What a load of self-important shite.

 

[Alfreton14Blade]

My point in writing this OP is to encourage posters to count to 10 next time things go wrong and make measured comments which are not simply rants for letting off steam and rather show some bottle and sense of knowing where we are as a club and that our manager is the very early stages of what he is trying to achieve

Wooders, you seem to be factoring passion out of the equation - not something that Nigel Adkins or Jim Phipps would do.

Admittedly, different folks express such passion in different ways. Some remain phlegmatic, while others rush off the deep end (with every other stage in between covered as well).

But managers & owners of football clubs expect & feed off that passion, even if the calmer type of fan thinks it rash. Isn't it something that actually characterises this football club, something that Nigel Adkins often refers to, something that Jim Phipps has fully bought into?

 

[Rodders]

I hate to carry on this petty disagreement but after all that, you're still under the impression I was overly critical of the manager?

I was mainly critical of the board, then pointed out a perfectly valid fact that NA hadn't moved for a defender at which point there had been more than enough time for one to have been signed, in fact we signed two strikers instead which although they're looking like good signings thus far, if you cast your mind back then, we were crying out for a defender and for me that had to be of the highest of priority and there were no excuses to assume what we had was good enough.

Now, because the boards mistake could possibly have a big impact on our destiny this season, I was and still am very critical of them.

With the manager, rather than being 'overly critical' or saying the manager went to zero as the thread title goes, I'd prefer to call it a blatantly obvious and accurate observation of one mistake the manager made that proved to cost us three points at Gillingham. Nothing more, nothing less. Unfortunate mistake but not half as costly as the board have potentially made.

Like I say, I didn't agree with the way we went about things the way we did in pre-season, as I don't think we have given ourselves the best possible opportunity for promotion, even though it's certainly possible if NA can continue to get them playing as they have recently and bring in a few more key signings. But one thing is for sure, no matter how much I dis-agree with our approach to the season, I will be giving my full support whenever and wherever I can and sincerely wish my team the best of luck as would any blade.

From this post onwards though I invite you to join me in a mutual agreement on one thing, and that is the fact that we don't agree.

Barny, you're having a shocker here.

 

[Bartleby]

First week of the season and a 4-0 drubbing at the hands of a Gillingham who without being disrespectful, in the natural order of things we are a club who should be at least 1-2 tiers above,

I think that is being a bit disrespectful actually. I said before the game Gillingham had a great second half to last season and their form was top 6
(agreeing with someone else on here who said they could be dark horses). There's no natural order that says we SHOULD be anywhere, which is why we are currently in League 1 and Bournemouth in the Premier league.

 

[blade too long]

Baxter is the definition of the word enigmatic

He possesses wonderful ability and touch
but
comes with a cant be arsed attitude

now if Adkins can get him to be arsed , he already looks trimmer , wed get a real quality player, for the cost of some reasoned cajoling
I would love it for Uniteds sake
but more so for Baxter
It could awaken in Baxter an overdue reaching of his true worth , getting the most out of his talent, I believe he could be regarded as very special
but it will only happen if he knuckles down and enjoys it completely

 

[blade too long]

what is the natural order of things
I was watching sky and one of the throw back fillers was Watford

theyve had some really big days winning play offs seasons in the prem
rebuilt their ground , had more success than us really recently
are we below them in this natural order thing as Sky cant make a one off about us

when you say natural order is it based solely on attendance
no football is ever based on attendance ask Bournemouth

 

[alcoblade]

Barny, you're having a shocker here.

I've tried to point himm towards "just accept you were over emotional", but he doesn't trust my directions.

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[Alfreton14Blade]

But, whatever the natural order is or isn't, Sheffield United going down 4-0 without a whimper to Gillingham is a total joke.

Don't get why it's such a big deal for some that others might just get thoroughly pissed off about it having happened?!

 

[Barney]

Barny, you're having a shocker here.

The fact that I'm showing enough decency not to aggressively put across my views to someone who quite clearly isn't interested in respecting them, I think that's more of what you're seeing... or you could just dis-agree with my views, maybe that's more of a simple explanation for such comment?

Either way, a tiresome attempt at approval from someone who you (evidently) happen to agree with is how I would describe that comment.

 

[Bladebri]

Come on blades we are all in this together

 

[Bladebri]

 

[alcoblade]

The fact that I'm showing enough decency not to aggressively put across my views to someone who quite clearly isn't interested in respecting them, I think that's more of what you're seeing... or you could just dis-agree with my views, maybe that's more of a simple explanation for such comment?

Either way, a tiresome attempt at approval from someone who you (evidently) happen to agree with is how I would describe that comment.

To be fair to you Barny, you've generally argued your points well and you've contributed nicely to the forum overall. I do think that you, along with many other people, got far too emotional over our first defeat and I think you were very unfair to the new manager. Secretly I suspect you know this. A simple acceptance of that would have covered it.

Anyway, rest assured, even if my memory would allow it (which it won't), I won't be holding a grudge. Let's move on.



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[Bartleby]

But, whatever the natural order is or isn't, Sheffield United going down 4-0 without a whimper to Gillingham is a total joke.

Don't get why it's such a big deal for some that others might just get thoroughly pissed off about it having happened?!

totally agree, I was thoroughly pissed off as well and would have been about going down 4-0 without a whimper to any team in this division. Some of the overreaction on here went a lot beyond that though.

 

[bladeinspaceandtime]

That's just ridiculous ,he had a decent game for his standards ,but the only thing I agree with was his finish.Wallace showed what a midfielder should do in the few minutes he was on.

That's just it though, will we ever see Wallace start and play the majority of matches on a consistent basis? He's undoubtedly good but that's worth naff all if he spends the majority of his time keeping the physio occupied.

 

[Bartleby]

The fact that I'm showing enough decency not to aggressively put across my views

I agree with you on that mate, you haven't been aggressive at any point on here from what I've seen.

 

[Bartleby]

If we win our next game I want Adkins out.

stop trying to kill off a lively debate with your jokes, no one's getting hurt

 

[Jan Age]

When you pass judgement will you sack him if you are not satisfied?

There is a long way to go before any team, in any league, proves to be serious promotion contenders. For example, I would back us to finish above every one of the teams presently above us in the league.

Your name has two "A"s.

It's not my decision to sack him but I can certainly make a judgement based on a full season.

Nothing wrong with nailing your colours to the mast early doors pal but whilst I will always back us I will side step making a decision just yet. What about the teams below us?

Thanks for the spelling lesson but I will keep it with one A for now thanks.

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[Barney]

To be fair to you Barny, you've generally argued your points well and you've contributed nicely to the forum overall. I do think that you, along with many other people, got far too emotional over our first defeat and I think you were very unfair to the new manager. Secretly I suspect you know this. A simple acceptance of that would have covered it.

Anyway, rest assured, even if my memory would allow it (which it won't), I won't be holding a grudge. Let's move on.



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The thing is, I don't secretly know anything, I can't help my views. As for the manager all I have ever mentioned is the one mistake not to bring in defenders earlier. I don't think it was at all unfair to make that observation, aside from that I rested my frustrations with the board (for reasons that were discussed in great length in another thread). Based on that I genuinely believe I was far from being unfair on the guy. I think my critique of the board came across as though I was equally directing it at the manager, when that was far from my intentions.

As I have said a few times before, I like NA and was very impressed when we hired him, one thing I take my hat off for with regards to the board. Also, since the outset and throughout (including ups and downs) he has remained a very level-headed and positive character, a very welcome change from his predecessor.

On a more positive note, I appreciate your words on my contributions to the forum thus far and here's to another win vs Blackpool.

 

[Woodwardfan]

What a load of self-important shite.

I've just re-read it and there has to be an element of what you say in it Rodders.

I just write what I'm thinking, nothing else. As always the truth is somewhere in the middle of what we all say as a group.

 

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

I've just re-read it and there has to be an element of what you say in it Rodders.

I just write what I'm thinking, nothing else. As always the truth is somewhere in the middle of what we all say as a group.

The way i look at things . The past is the past . Even last night is now the past . Its all a foreign country which we never going to go to . Now and the future , i do believe , we have the best manager , staff , board , who will build us a team in the same vain.

Fans do let off being happy or frustaed on the forum , exactly the same when you come out of the match , and walking home , to the car , you anaylis the game , you have just watched, and discuss it with your mates.

Constructive criticism is healthy , but going over the top acheives nothing.

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[blade too long]

pessimism unfortunately has become ingrained in some of our number , they can site lots of experiences to be like that

but football supporting should be about as lb of e says the future
optimism hope expectation belief
its no fun at all without these
you just become a miserable twat, a granny complaining eee t,were better when I was young

whats gone is gone , we have the club , the manager and now getting the players to achieve something
lets not hold back, lets get excited and moan if come May we aint there
but try and enjoy the ride

 

[Bartleby]

The way i look at things . The past is the past . Even last night is now the past . Its all a foreign country which we never going to go to . Now and the future , i do believe , we have the best manager , staff , board , who will build us a team in the same vain.

Fans do let off being happy or frustaed on the forum , exactly the same when you come out of the match , and walking home , to the car , you anaylis the game , you have just watched, and discuss it with your mates.

Constructive criticism is healthy , but going over the top acheives nothing.

UTB

Spot on. While I do get annoyed by it sometimes I think a lot of the negativity and the overreaction comes down to genuine passion for the club, and also the collective disappointment from some slings and arrows of outrageous fortune over the years - the Tevez business, the relegation in 94 with virtually the last kick at Chelsea (and some alleged matchfixing irregularities going on some of the other relevant games that day that may have cost us), losing to the last kick in the 1997 playoff final when we surely would have won in extra time, and losing the 2012 playoff final on a penalty taken by a goalkeeper.

We like to think we are a big club and in terms of fan base, infrastructure etc of course we are. In terms of history too, but unfortunately that is all ancient history now, the past is the past as you say, and it counts for squat, this club has not won anything in our lifetimes.

We now have the best guy we could have hoped for and he's just turned around a shocking opening day defeat and already got us looking like potential automatic contenders. It could all go tits up of course but where we are right now ain't bad to me.

 

[blade too long]

But, whatever the natural order is or isn't, Sheffield United going down 4-0 without a whimper to Gillingham is a total joke.

Don't get why it's such a big deal for some that others might just get thoroughly pissed off about it having happened?!

why is it
massive lost 5-1 at exeter first season down and then at stevenage 5-1 the year they went up, they got 93 points
are stevenage above gillingham in your order of things
one off results mean nothing


and leeds and saints who youd say we were on a par with
both lost at gillingham in their promotion seasons
your lack of respect for gillingham is unfounded

 

[Fulwood Blade]

Forum members on here push certain boundaries - Gillingham away just pushed boundaries of some for various reasons, sometimes known only to themselves. Murphy pushed some to criticise the board, defended by others.

Over the top for some, is justified to others.

We'll be having a thought police committee next.


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[Bladebri]

 

[alcoblade]

Forum members on here push certain boundaries - Gillingham away just pushed boundaries of some for various reasons, sometimes known only to themselves. Murphy pushed some to criticise the board, defended by others.

Over the top for some, is justified to others.

We'll be having a thought police committee next.


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Or we can just scrap it out on here.

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[Fulwood Blade]

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I question what your thoughts are with her...........you care to divulge?

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[Fulwood Blade]

Or we can just scrap it out on here.

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Indeed we can - don't really see the problem as long as it doesn't get personal as "admin" says

What's the phrase " don't play the man............" or woman (especially for the thought police)

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[Bladebri]

I question what your thoughts are with her...........you care to divulge?

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It's an arresting thought

 

[Woodwardfan]

Forum members on here push certain boundaries - Gillingham away just pushed boundaries of some for various reasons, sometimes known only to themselves. Murphy pushed some to criticise the board, defended by others.

Over the top for some, is justified to others.

We'll be having a thought police committee next.


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Just "Do not do it again!!"