Heckys Premier League signings

[jono_t2000]

If the remit was signing younger players with potential to increase in resale value.... then funny enough we would have to say it was actually a success.

Every player who Hecky signed last season has gone for the same amount or for a profit with only Souza and Hamer left who would obviously also go for a profit if sold.

Oddly the only player we could potentially lose money on is Grbic.. who was a Wilder signing

 

[Blade45]

If the remit was signing younger players with potential to increase in resale value.... then funny enough we would have to say it was actually a success.

Every player who Hecky signed last season has gone for the same amount or for a profit with only Souza and Hamer left who would obviously also go for a profit if sold.

Oddly the only player we could potentially lose money on is Grbic.. who was a Wilder signing

In that sense and that sense only, we did pretty good business last summer.

How we've managed to break even on Traore is completely beyond me. Same with Trusty if it's true he's moving on.

We will make a profit on Grbic, trust me. A Champions League experienced La Liga winner and international keeper. Some team in the Netherlands or Belgium will pay 3-4 million Euros for him, you just watch.

 

[Fjortoft's Aeroplane]

In that sense and that sense only, we did pretty good business last summer.

How we've managed to break even on Traore is completely beyond me. Same with Trusty if it's true he's moving on.

We will make a profit on Grbic, trust me. A Champions League experienced La Liga winner and international keeper. Some team in the Netherlands or Belgium will pay 3-4 million Euros for him, you just watch.

We just need them to have an incredibly lazy scout like we had last season, one who has zero intention of watching him play before recommending him.

 

[Blade45]

We just need them to have an incredibly lazy scout like we had last season, one who has zero intention of watching him play before recommending him.

What are you talking about? Grbic may be our best keeper in the past decade. A scout hardly has to be industrious to find that out!

 

[Champagneblade]

According to Transfermarkt, which may be off on player ratings given Arblaster is still at 450k right now(!), but they are not so bad on recording transfers.

We spent 66.95m Euros last year and a large chunk of that was Archer.

We recouped 30.9m Euros.

Now I think what we actually paid for Souza was lower than the 12.5m Euros and same with the 17.5m Euros they have against Hamer, likewise Ndiaye and Berge figures felt a bit low. But going with that…a net spend of 36.05m Euros.

So far:
Archer - 16.65m
Traore - 4.5m
Trusty - 6.5m?

So we drop that figure down to a net of 8.4m Euros and that includes about 4.9m Euros as the cost of Archer’s loan so a net of 3.5m.

Given Berge was down as 13.9m Euros and he has now been sold and his sale is expected to make the 15m pounds mark with the realises add-ons (about 17.8m Euros total) it’s probably fair to say we are back in the black on those figures with still Slimane as surplus whose loan move may also attract a fee.

So Wilder has played a reasonable Uno reverse there!

Back to pounds, we’ve brought in around 17m for Osula, Bogle and Jebbo. We’ve spent about 6.5m.

Still leaves me wondering if we still need one big sale or if the new owners will wait and see.

Either way, it’s some pretty tidy bookkeeping to have effectively spent zero in the Premier League even if that was abysmal viewing at times. At least the long term of the club wasn’t put at risk.

 

[SGBlade]

Yeah, very strange. Have commented elsewhere on this but I guess if you buy young players who show up well on the recruitment data then it looks like you can flip them easily enough in todays market - even if they look crap with the eye test.

I think the club have done a great job in flipping last years poor decisions. Credit where it’s due. I don’t suggest we try this every year though!

 

[SGBlade]

According to Transfermarkt, which may be off on player ratings given Arblaster is still at 450k right now(!), but they are not so bad on recording transfers.

We spent 66.95m Euros last year and a large chunk of that was Archer.

We recouped 30.9m Euros.

Now I think what we actually paid for Souza was lower than the 12.5m Euros and same with the 17.5m Euros they have against Hamer, likewise Ndiaye and Berge figures felt a bit low. But going with that…a net spend of 36.05m Euros.

So far:
Archer - 16.65m
Traore - 4.5m
Trusty - 6.5m?

So we drop that figure down to a net of 8.4m Euros and that includes about 4.9m Euros as the cost of Archer’s loan so a net of 3.5m.

Given Berge was down as 13.9m Euros and he has now been sold and his sale is expected to make the 15m pounds mark with the realises add-ons (about 17.8m Euros total) it’s probably fair to say we are back in the black on those figures with still Slimane as surplus whose loan move may also attract a fee.

So Wilder has played a reasonable Uno reverse there!

Back to pounds, we’ve brought in around 17m for Osula, Bogle and Jebbo. We’ve spent about 6.5m.

Still leaves me wondering if we still need one big sale or if the new owners will wait and see.

Either way, it’s some pretty tidy bookkeeping to have effectively spent zero in the Premier League even if that was abysmal viewing at times. At least the long term of the club wasn’t put at risk.

Interesting to look at the numbers like this. Does seem we’ve been sensible with $$ over the last 15 months and hopefully that’s put us in a reasonably stable position to build on and we’ve been able (so far) to keep our best players this window. We seem much less at risk of imminent financial meltdown than we were this time two years ago.

I guess the flip side is that we were utterly abysmal last year and relegated by December. If we were to go up again this year or next, we need to strike that balance. easier said than done though.

 

[BladeInIreland]

That is interesting and looking at it in pure black and white by the remit in your OP it probably would be considered a success.

However surely the goal for recruitment has to be to sign players to have an impact on the first team and/or have a large profit margin. Whilst breaking even is obviously better than losing money (although after wages we probably did lose), this probably won't get you very far. You want the profit to reinvest otherwise you have essentially stood still (which is rarely a good thing in football)

 

[coaxingstar71]

I’m hoping the sales of Osula and Bogle means we can hold onto Hamer and Anel.

 

[Blades1971]

All these players he bought and sold, didn't keep us in the Premiership

 

[AWetFlannel]

All these players he bought and sold, didn't keep us in the Premiership

But they were never going to. You don't sign young, raw talent from Scandinavian leagues to come in and stay in the PL.

I think we can have a slightly more negative spin though. We've signed young players with potential, got relegated and now look to be selling them all rather than developing them. What was the point then?

 

[SGBlade]

But they were never going to. You don't sign young, raw talent from Scandinavian leagues to come in and stay in the PL.

I think we can have a slightly more negative spin though. We've signed young players with potential, got relegated and now look to be selling them all rather than developing them. What was the point then?

I take your point and we all want to be a sustainable mid table premier league club.

But realistically, without someone willing to risk $100s of millions, just being around the top two in the champ and getting promotion every few years has to be considered success for us. Not being defeatist here, just realistic. And in any case I absolutely loved the last 5 years if taken as a whole.

The hope is that one time we go up, some of those young signings or youth players are a cut above (which obviously we can affect through better recruitment and development) and we’re able to sustain 2-3 years in the Prem. That then sets you up for the next stage of pushing on.

It’s just such a difficult balance to strike without risking the long term health of the club.

 

[AWetFlannel]

I take your point and we all want to be a sustainable mid table premier league club.

But realistically, without someone willing to risk $100s of millions, just being around the top two in the champ and getting promotion every few years has to be considered success for us. Not being defeatist here, just realistic. And in any case I absolutely loved the last 5 years if taken as a whole.

The hope is that one time we go up, some of those young signings or youth players are a cut above (which obviously we can affect through better recruitment and development) and we’re able to sustain 2-3 years in the Prem. That then sets you up for the next stage of pushing on.

It’s just such a difficult balance to strike without risking the long term health of the club.

I'm not suggesting we should have instead signing proven PL players and stayed up, we couldn't afford to do that.

I'm saying, if you sign Bennie Traore, surely the plan is to develop him over a few seasons with the hope to have him start for us and doubling/tripling his value. We seem to be cutting and running.

 

[Bladezz]

It’s always strange, when we signed them and started doing badly everyone was saying they aren’t Heckys signings.

Since we sold them all there his signings

 

[dexter101]

I would say it wasn't bad business, we didn't lose money on their transfer fees.

I agree with some of the other comments though. If we are going to try and be that type of club who buys young players with potential, they have to for the most part stay and realise that potential, Otherwise its just a waste of wages.

The goal would be to either develop to sell for good money, or develop to implement into the first team.

 

[Ndiayewillalwaysloveyou]

It’s always strange, when we signed them and started doing badly everyone was saying they aren’t Heckys signings.

Since we sold them all there his signings

I thought that

 

[Working Class Hero]

Shows what can happen if you don't let their contracts run out. Even crap players are worth sumat if they're under contract.