Hecky and Stuey McCall

[Blackheath Blade]

Wouldn't be the worst decision in the world to bring them back if we're still bottom by September.

It may not be the worst decision in the world but I can't help thinking you're taking the piss. After one fuckin game? Everyone is laughing at you. God help us.

 

[Greasy Chap Butty]

Yes. In fact let's start Hecky on a final written warning, and if he isn't winning the first game at half time , sack him.

 

[CrookesBlade]

Well, in principle I would always welcome back "Hecky, Jack and Stuart McCall" because I really enjoyed that promotion season under them.

Funnily enough though, I seem to remember half of the posters on here moaning about how shit the football was back then and how it was the "least exciting promotion ever" - a phrase that was said over and over.

The same voices (and a few more) were then having a go at Wilder Ball 2 last season. "Shit football" "Like watching paint dry", "False position" blah blah blah.

And now after one game under a new manager, with a completely different and attacking philosophy, half of the same fanbase are still lamenting over losing Wilder, and now we are talking about bringing back the guy he replaced, who initially replaced him. You couldn't make this shit up really.

I love this club, and reckon I would get on with most of you over a pint. But I am sorry to say that we often come across collectively as a fanbase with a very limited horizon.

I don’t know if it’s a conscious thing to be the polar opposite to Wednesday fans but we have the most miserablist support base in football by some distance. It’s so OTT sometimes it’s unreal. Even when things are going well there is always an arms race to spin it into a negative.

I’d add to that I really struggle to think of another set of supporters in this day and age who refuse to trust anything other than an English “meat and potatoes” manager, preferably one with some prior connection to the club.

 

[Wards]

I’d add to that I really struggle to think of another set of supporters in this day and age who refuse to trust anything other than an English “meat and potatoes” manager, preferably one with some prior connection to the club.

It's the Little-Sheffielder sydrome in full effect.

I don't want to say anything too disparaging about the fanbase as a whole but there's definitely a reluctance to embrace anything remotely new or different.

 

[billyblademan]

It's the Little-Sheffielder sydrome in full effect.

I don't want to say anything too disparaging about the fanbase as a whole but there's definitely a reluctance to embrace anything remotely new or different.

I don't think it will break until someone else from outside South Yorkshire get us promoted (last 4 I think?)

 

[Harry's Game]

If the board lose their nerve and go back to British Brexit ball as the mini Farage’s here want then I would rather Cooper or Dyche than back to Hecky.

 

[Dkc]

Trying to think of other early sackings. We sacked Blackwell on Aug 14 but he wasn't a new manager. Slav went Nov 25, Weir Oct 11.

 

[luffenhamblade]

am I the only one treatig this thread as a genuine comedy great?

 

[Harry's Game]

Trying to think of other early sackings. We sacked Blackwell on Aug 14 but he wasn't a new manager. Slav went Nov 25, Weir Oct 11.

Gary Speed lasted 3 months but he resigned

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

For the avoidance of doubt, I don't want him back, but it is worth pointing out, that he is one of only 3 managers in the division, wiho have won promotion to the PL (the other 2 are Jone and McKenna).

FA Cup Semi Final in the same season too!!

 

[coolasanidiot]

It's the Little-Sheffielder sydrome in full effect.

I don't want to say anything too disparaging about the fanbase as a whole but there's definitely a reluctance to embrace anything remotely new or different.

Totally understand what you are saying but I think most fans would have accepted change quite readily had Chris last season landed 4th from bottom. But he didn’t he was 15 minutes from total glory. The change needed for most folks was a couple of quality tweaks.

 

[CrookesBlade]

I don't think it will break until someone else from outside South Yorkshire get us promoted (last 4 I think?)

Can’t blame people in some respects as it’s learned behaviour.

Warnock, Wilder and Hecky all came in and dragged the club out of a hole and into the Premier League. Add to that Bassett as well who despite not being “one of our own” did the same and set the culture at the club for a generation.

 

[Wards]

Totally understand what you are saying but I think most fans would have accepted change quite readily had Chris last season landed 4th from bottom. But he didn’t he was 15 minutes from total glory. The change needed for most folks was a couple of quality tweaks.

Again, I get the overall point but with losing players a very distinct possibility (and has happened) then that plan wouldn't have borne a great deal of fruit this season IMO. I think the board recognised that we needed a bit more of a change than anticipated and have acted on that. Whether rightly or wrongly will be seen in time but there was an element of diminishing returns on last seasons approach of having a few players of much better quality than the opposition, not least indicated by the post-Xmas form. I can wholly understand why we made the change but most fans will look at the 90 point haul and nothing else.

 

[TopBoy]

Totally understand what you are saying but I think most fans would have accepted change quite readily had Chris last season landed 4th from bottom. But he didn’t he was 15 minutes from total glory. The change needed for most folks was a couple of quality tweaks.

I think it was more to do with Wilder's "behaviour" both in the dug out and in the bar. I loved it but this kind of thing doesn't go down well with Americans in my experience.

 

[coolasanidiot]

I think it was more to do with Wilder's "behaviour" both in the dug out and in the bar. I loved it but this kind of thing doesn't go down well with Americans in my experience.

Yeah I loved it and I loved that Wednesday hated it.

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

Totally understand what you are saying but I think most fans would have accepted change quite readily had Chris last season landed 4th from bottom. But he didn’t he was 15 minutes from total glory. The change needed for most folks was a couple of quality tweaks.

Short term, you're right. 15 mins of defensive stability, and we're back in the PL. However, we saw the year before how Wilder was blown away by PL opposition and nothing will convince me the same wouldn't have happened had Moore not shit the bed at Wembley.

However, i can't help but feel we'd have been back in this same place in 24 months time but with a much fatter wage bill.

Selles is very much an appointment in the mold of one step back to go three forward. Whether that happens or not, remains to be seen.

But, I for one, am prepared to take that gamble

 

[ATL Recs]

Totally understand what you are saying but I think most fans would have accepted change quite readily had Chris last season landed 4th from bottom. But he didn’t he was 15 minutes from total glory. The change needed for most folks was a couple of quality tweaks.

I can say 100% that all my lads mates 27-30 year old home and awayers weekly wanted change deperately and so did I as do 90% of those that sit around me at home games. That 15 minutes from glory is rubbish as he decided to sit in on a 1-0 lead from the 30th minute and the writing was on the wall from the start of the second half hoof and back hoof and back with the occasional hoof that we capitalised on but didnt take the chance ( Brooks) .Our dull dated tactics that got us to 15 minutes from glory also screwed that dream of glory up. And regarding tweaks at the moment we are 9 players short of what got us to that 15 minutes from glory- not exactly tweaks

 

[coolasanidiot]

I can say 100% that all my lads mates 27-30 year old home and awayers weekly wanted change deperately and so did I as do 90% of those that sit around me at home games. That 15 minutes from glory is rubbish as he decided to sit in on a 1-0 lead from the 30th minute and the writing was on the wall from the start of the second half hoof and back hoof and back with the occasional hoof that we capitalised on but didnt take the chance ( Brooks) .Our dull dated tactics that got us to 15 minutes from glory also screwed that dream of glory up. And regarding tweaks at the moment we are 9 players short of what got us to that 15 minutes from glory- not exactly tweaks

Fair enough ATL - I think it’s fairly obvious there is/was an even split for Wilder in and out.

I just got a feeling that Chris was already planning replacements/ new bodies to go again. i.e sensible foresight and a pro active approach.

Could be wrong but now it feels unplanned/ seat of the pants grab anything, the chaos that we have heard about isn’t on the pitch more off the pitch.

That’s not to say don’t want Ruben to succeed of course every supporter does.

 

[SittingontheBall]

Totally understand what you are saying but I think most fans would have accepted change quite readily had Chris last season landed 4th from bottom. But he didn’t he was 15 minutes from total glory. The change needed for most folks was a couple of quality tweaks.

Not having a go at you especially but this provides a perfect quote on supporters view of change.

Why do we always have such a positive view of change? If we are fourth from bottom, change must be good. If we were nearly there last season, change must be good.

So in wildly differing circumstances change must be good. Suddenly everyone agrees on change being needed but what change?

The clever bit of change is getting it right and there’s not a hope in hell of supporters agreeing on what that should look like, especially if the team gets a truly shocking first result at the start of the new season. I didn’t like it either and fear the worst but am trying to get a grip. I recommend this approach.

We need to give the club chance to sort this change out. That’s what the owners meant when they said patience is needed. But of course that is in short supply these days.

 

[JimW1889]

Get on the phone to Warnock and tell him to let Sharon know he’s got one last job in him

 

[Chris the Blade]

am I the only one treatig this thread as a genuine comedy great?

Get a grip. Promotion and semi final in the same season. Selles can only dream of that!

 

[Chris the Blade]

It may not be the worst decision in the world but I can't help thinking you're taking the piss. After one fuckin game? Everyone is laughing at you. God help us.

Promotion and Wembley! Who was laughing then!!

 

[luffenhamblade]

If the board lose their nerve and go back to British Brexit ball as the mini Farage’s here want then I would rather Cooper or Dyche than back to Hecky.

Well, Cooper, maybe, but let's hope that doesn't happen.

 

[SouthStandGBlock]

Personally I wasn't bothered about Wilder coming back after the way he left us the 1st time around - flouncing out because he wasn't indulged after buying the wrong players in the summer.

2nd time around I never clapped him, and never chanted his name.

Results wise, he had a fabulous season. But the football spectacle was boring. Squeeze a 1-0 lead, then defend it for the balance of the game. This worked for most of the season, but it didn't work at Plymouth or Wembley. We didn't lay a glove on the two teams who got promoted through the Autos.

Despite being bored stiff, I didn't particularly want change as I was hoping he'd evolve. Not sure why he left (perhaps he was stamping his feet again), but as he's gone, I'm a bit meh about it, and happy to embrace the change.

It might be a disaster, it might not, let's see. Selles has 100% of my support. Wilder didn't.

 

[SB_90]

this is the problem of having a dynasty. there will be people aged 20-25 who only remember 1 way of football as we've had 10 years of wilder Mk I, wilder Mk ii the empire strikes back & Wilder mk iii the return of the jedi. i bet there was many man utd fans who wanted sir alex back

 

[Silky Sabella]

I don’t know if it’s a conscious thing to be the polar opposite to Wednesday fans but we have the most miserablist support base in football by some distance. It’s so OTT sometimes it’s unreal. Even when things are going well there is always an arms race to spin it into a negative.

I’d add to that I really struggle to think of another set of supporters in this day and age who refuse to trust anything other than an English “meat and potatoes” manager, preferably one with some prior connection to the club.

Superb post, truth to the absolute core

 

[luffenhamblade]

this is the problem of having a dynasty. there will be people aged 20-25 who only remember 1 way of football as we've had 10 years of wilder Mk I, wilder Mk ii the empire strikes back & Wilder mk iii the return of the jedi. i bet there was many man utd fans who wanted sir alex back

What is your issue with Wilder? I'm 54, and he is one of the best managers we have ever had. It's over, I know, and I'm all for Selles, but what is your problem with someone who brought us so much success?

 

[UTB Blade]

Promotion and Wembley! Who was laughing then!!

Sorry, I know you're being serious - just reminded me of one of my favourite jokes and I couldn't resist posting it: "They're not laughing now!"

 

[Chris the Blade]

Superb post, truth to the absolute core

Thank you

 

[SB_90]

What is your issue with Wilder? I'm 54, and he is one of the best managers we have ever had. It's over, I know, and I'm all for Selles, but what is your problem with someone who brought us so much success?

without being horrible youve made an assumption without research because youve only really been in this forum since may.

this is controversial because i know there are utd fans who still dislike him for "going out the back door" despite at least i could see the emotional toll it was taking on wilder losing late on, pressure of the pandemic & letting people down in December nevermind march

but i think Wilder is a wembley cup run away from being our greatest manager of at least the last 40-45yrs maybe more & surpassing Warnock & Bassett. because its the only box he hasnt ticked off & i cant think what else he has to do

i think wilder is amazing. but when you have had 10 years of basically the same manager in 3 spells. then getting used to someone isnt going to happen overnight & people will panic, go back to what they deem as "safe" . history is just repeating itself with wilder after southend in 2015