Heckingbottom Out, Wilder In

[S6Blademan]

The only S6 fact is that this thread is a “Look at me” about him not Wilder or Hecky.

Sadly he’s learned not to insult the mods so he’s still here.

I’m not sure what you are saying Sean ?

I didn’t start this thread ?

It’s only an opinion

If we get to 10 games without a win ? Would you keep him ?

 

[bertieblade]

Who would you bring in?
the guy would have to work with our budget and primarily develop his own players

 

[Sean Thornton]

I’m not sure what you are saying Sean ?

I didn’t start this thread ?

It’s only an opinion

If we get to 10 games without a win ? Would you keep him ?

You know exactly what l’m saying.

Never said you did.

Similar to one you’ve been pushing under now banned usernames. What exactly are the qualifications you have that would enable you to take on the United job and what’s your hands on experience at professional level?

I don't know. You’ve called it in less than half that. Knee jerk attention seeking. But l wouldn’t have Wilder back now. He’d need to prove himself again for me. Good luck to him with that.

 

[SittingontheBall]

Hecky took over a relegated team with one of if not the best squad in the league

Wrong. Slav, a decent manager based on his record, took over the relegated side and couldn’t get a tune out of it. Hecky took over a team in 16th place and turned it around.

Gibbs white and ndiaye are the two bets attacking players we have had in my lifetime

Not very old then are you? And it shows.

I’m not saying hecky is a terrible manager but he is yet to show he is a top manager as wilder has already done so

So Hecky, who got us promoted from tha Championship last year, who brought Iliman into the side and recruited Doyle, McAtee, Anel, and Clark in the process doesn’t rate as a ”top manager” but Wilder does? Presumably on the basis of a season in the PL and finishing 9th. That was a good year but a “top manager” would keep it up and Wilder couldn’t. Hecky came in and did a better job after Wilder bailed. Does a “top manager” bail?

Getting a team promoted who should be promoted is a good job but plenty of other managers could have done that

Supporting evidence for this? Doesn’t it take a “top manager” to do that?

I really miss Fallowfield.

 

[BerksBlade]

You know what you can do with those facts……

Facts? I've got facts if you want 'em...

 

[Sean Thornton]

Facts? I've got facts if you want 'em...

Any FACTS though?

 

[BerksBlade]

Every team played in empty stadiums correct , but clearly it affected us far more

Whats whether he did it in a wilder training session got to do with it , our injury record under hecky has been far far far wore than under wilder so thats nonsense

Has wilder ever said he doesnt ? He also signed ndiaye/berge/ramsdale/mcburnie ?

Only Brewster of the big signings was a complete flop and that is partly due to inuries

You're giving reasons for Wilder's "fall from grace" as if they were things completely outside of his control. The point I'm trying to make is that some of these were partly down to him. Covid I'll grant you he could not have anticipated, but the buck for poor recruitment has to stop with him. Freeman & Robinson were "big" signings when we made them - both flops IMHO.

 

[BerksBlade]

Any FACTS though?

The only FACT I have is that I have no FACTs

 

[S6Blademan]

You're giving reasons for Wilder's "fall from grace" as if they were things completely outside of his control. The point I'm trying to make is that some of these were partly down to him. Covid I'll grant you he could not have anticipated, but the buck for poor recruitment has to stop with him. Freeman & Robinson were "big" signings when we made them - both flops IMHO.

Freeman and Robinson were not big signings
They were proven championship players who we hoped could make a step up

One didn’t cause he was a crock and one has done very week

Of course it’s in his control much like taking us through the leagues up to the edge of Europe before Covid struck was his control

 

[VLYDONIMIR]

Should the owner decide on a new angle of attack on staying in this League,
what would the forum's thoughts be should he appoint Kevin Muscat?
Purely hypothetical, he's a name that's attracting attention.

 

[ISZA ⚔️]

Should the owner decide on a new angle of attack on staying in this League,
what would the forum's thoughts be should he appoint Kevin Muscat?
Purely hypothetical, he's a name that's attracting attention.

It would serve him right

 

[CornwallBlade]

Not won in 5 and played 3 of the poorest teams. Just because my levels aren’t rock bottom don’t try and drag people down to your standard.

And played the best team in Europe where, barring a clownish bit of defending, we would have got a point when they are dicking others for fun. Ditto Spurs - re-read the view from before the game. We’re going to be fine.

 

[CornwallBlade]

Can't see it,really,Wilderball lasted but one season before,doubt he possesses the nous and system-changing knowhow needed.

This, shook up the PL but then left clueless when we were sussed tactically.

 

[VLYDONIMIR]

Forget Wilder.
Ten Hag might be looking for a new club if
MUFC don't improve.

 

[Isar]

Forget Wilder.
Ten Hag might be looking for a new club if
MUFC don't improve.

He will soon be gone.

 

[Lord Eddard Muir]

Forget Wilder.
Ten Hag might be looking for a new club if
MUFC don't improve.

Wouldn't want him, man seems a grade A cunt from the way he's conducted himself at Man U.

 

[Stanthemanfan]

Freeman and Robinson were not big signings
They were proven championship players who we hoped could make a step up

One didn’t cause he was a crock and one has done very week

Of course it’s in his control much like taking us through the leagues up to the edge of Europe before Covid struck was his control

Not big signings?? I'm sure at the time they were signed freeman and Robinson were our record signings

 

[S6Blademan]

Not big signings?? I'm sure at the time they were signed freeman and Robinson were our record signings

I would say wilders biggest signings were mcburnie / Berge / Ramsdale / Brewster / Bogle

We may have broke our record but we have broke it plenty of times since then

 

[S6Blademan]

Wrong. Slav, a decent manager based on his record, took over the relegated side and couldn’t get a tune out of it. Hecky took over a team in 16th place and turned it around.

Not very old then are you? And it shows.

So Hecky, who got us promoted from tha Championship last year, who brought Iliman into the side and recruited Doyle, McAtee, Anel, and Clark in the process doesn’t rate as a ”top manager” but Wilder does? Presumably on the basis of a season in the PL and finishing 9th. That was a good year but a “top manager” would keep it up and Wilder couldn’t. Hecky came in and did a better job after Wilder bailed. Does a “top manager” bail?

Supporting evidence for this? Doesn’t it take a “top manager” to do that?

I really miss Fallowfield.

No it doesn't take a top manager to get you out of the champ plenty of decent managers have done that and not been good enough to keep a team up

Do you think if we had an Alex Neil or a mark robins in charge instead of hecky they wouldn't have got us promoted course they would with that squad

I like hecky but for some reason a lot reckon he is the second coming of pep guardiola

He’s a Good manager who has done a good job

Is he a prem manager I'd say no

 

[Mendi]

Chris Wilder was at Huddersfield match tonight.

 

[Charlieblade]

Having read the last 200 posts on this thread, I am left with one question.

When the going gets tough, and both managers have had it tough, what has been their reaction to those problems?

Which one gave up and left, and which one stayed and tried to make the best of it?

 

[Thrice]

Even if the time to replace Hecky does come (which I hope it doesn't and I'm not expecting it), I'm of the opinion that you should always be looking forward and not backwards. Nostalgia never is a good advisor because you rarely replicate the glory days. It's more likely that it tarnishes the past success.

 

[ChipButtyBlade]

Senior players have made it known that they want Hecky to remain as gaffer.

 

[vas borbokis]

Hecky took over a relegated team with one of if not the best squad in the league

Gibbs white and ndiaye are the two bets attacking players we have had in my lifetime

We aren’t competing we have 1 point from 5 games and if other teams pick if we will be marooned with Luton and maybe Burnley

I’m not saying hecky is a terrible manager but he is yet to show he is a top manager as wilder has already done so

Getting a team promoted who should be promoted is a good job but plenty of other managers could have done that

What an idiotic stance.
Wilder shit the bed. No return ticket. We lose Hecky at our peril. He clearly knows what he's doing. We are building squad quality slowly due to financial constraints.
If we do go down we'll have a great chance of getting back up with the players we now have.
You're going on ignore by the way. Umpteen posts of irritating drivel!

 

[FMBlade1]

Was this whole thing a 'leak and see what the reaction is' stunt to test the waters?

Wouldn't surprise me tbh

 

[SELondon_Bladette]

Having read the last 200 posts on this thread, I am left with one question.

When the going gets tough, and both managers have had it tough, what has been their reaction to those problems?

Which one gave up and left, and which one stayed and tried to make the best of it?

Aye, this 100% for me. One threw his dollie out the pram one knuckled down.

 

[Wards]

I really miss Fallowfield.

At least the original version of Fallowfield knew he was stupid

 

[ATL Recs]

Wilders fall from grace started with Covid / JOC’s retirement / a poor summer transfer window

He then lost his head and wanted to leave

Anyone who says wilder is a bang average manager and that hecky is a better one are so short sided and deluded if is untrue

Both good/great SUFC managers but wilders is miles better than hecky it’s not even worth an argument IMO

The momentum was starting to wain after Christmas before the pandemic we were crap at Palace ( who were crapper) and won scraped past Norwich drew with Brighton

 

[S6Blademan]

The momentum was starting to wain after Christmas before the pandemic we were crap at Palace ( who were crapper) and won scraped past Norwich drew with Brighton

The momentumn carried on we beat chelsea/wolves/spurs at home after lockdown

The reason we went down was combination of things

Id rather judge a manager on the 4/5 years he was here than a 10 game spell at the start of a season

The grief wilder gets is insane and if we were to get rid of hecky which i can see happening if we dont pick up a win wilder would be the only man for the job

 

[Balham]

The momentumn carried on we beat chelsea/wolves/spurs at home after lockdown

The reason we went down was combination of things

Id rather judge a manager on the 4/5 years he was here than a 10 game spell at the start of a season

The grief wilder gets is insane and if we were to get rid of hecky which i can see happening if we dont pick up a win wilder would be the only man for the job

Games after lockdown:

Slow start:
Aston Villa 0-0 United
Newcastle 3-0 United
Man U 3-0 United
United 1-2 Arsenal (FA cup quarter final)

We then rallied:
United 3-1 Spurs
Burnley 1-1 United
United 1-0 Wolves
United 3-0 Chelsea

Before completely running out of steam
Leicester 2-0 United
United 0-1 Everton
Southampton 3-1 United

The reason we went down was a combination of tactical inflexibility, poor recruitment, inadequate players, loss of key performers and managerial intrasingence. All of those are partly or wholly Chris Wilder's fault.