Hands Up

[AlienWoodward]

Hands up if you thought it was right to sack Warnock
Hands up if you thought it was right to employ Bryan Robson as manager
Hands up if you thought it was right to bring in a man who left us for Leeds United and make him our manager
Hands up if you thought it was right to sack him after his first game of the season to try and impress potential new investors
Hands up if you thought it right to give a " proper footballer" his 1st ever management job with a shit set of players and tie his hands behind his back.

Hands up if you are Kevin McCabe !!
Hands up if you thought the answer to the first four questions was no
Hands up if you are as inebriated as me ! ;-)

 

[Pollingtonblade]

We didn't sack Warnock.

Mcabe is a clueless cunt when it comes to appointing managers.

 

[AlienWoodward]

We didn't sack Warnock.

Mcabe is a clueless cunt when it comes to appointing managers.

We DID sack Warnock don't believe what you read about it being mutual

 

[SteelCity Blade]

Hands up if you are as inebriated as me ! ;-)

Keep drinking pal.....it might all go away with any luck

 

[AlienWoodward]

Keep drinking pal.....it might all go away with any luck

A :- I'm not that lucky
B :- I can't drink that much

 

[Casper]

As much as i admired Warnock for what he did for us i think ultimately it was probably time for a change when he went. Appointing Robson was a catastrophic mistake. He undid everything we had built up over the previous 7 years. Now we are like a gambler chasing his losses. Unfortunately I now have serious doubts that Speed is the messiah - in fact he looks like a very naughty boy......

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

As much as i admired Warnock for what he did for us i think ultimately it was probably time for a change when he went. Appointing Robson was a catastrophic mistake. He undid everything we had built up over the previous 7 years. Now we are like a gambler chasing his losses. Unfortunately I now have serious doubts that Speed is the messiah - in fact he looks like a very naughty boy......

Told you all he wasn't

 

[2ndtenorblade]

The really bad thing and I can never forgive him for it, is apointing Robson, how can anyone claim to be a fan and do that, clueless.

 

[oldblade]

We DID sack Warnock don't believe what you read about it being mutual

I thought his contract had expired and we chose not to offer him another one.

Either way, I wish he was our manager now. He's about the only person I can think of who could get the current squad to accumulate enough points to avoid relegation.

 

[Guesty]

On Warnock, probably yes. I think he'd taken us as far as he could, and had bottled it hugely in the Premiership. That said, had we known it would have been Robson coming in, then I would have gladly stuck with him.

 

[Eskimo]

I think the facts speak for themselves about Warnock - top of the league - crazy decision to sack him. I hope all of you who wanted his head are enjoying your beer these days. Robson was obviously going to be a disaster. And Blackwell wasn't a bad decision - just very average; its interesting to think that had he stayed would we be higher in the league? Speed is a strange choice - no experience/no track record = high risk.

But Kev McCabe still gets my vote unless anyone knows of someone better to take his place with cash to pump into the club - I dont have either.


The moral being - don't get rid of what you've got unless you are sure that what you can bring in is better.

 

[Revolution]

I think the facts speak for themselves about Warnock - top of the league

with more money to spend than any other team in the division

 

[SteelCity Blade]

I think the facts speak for themselves about Warnock - top of the league

with more money to spend than any other team in the division

Too right. He also had the best squad of players before recruiting. Warnock is good at a number of things but anyone who thinks he is a great manager and brilliant tactician is being totally naive.

Some of the people who praise him now and try to wish him back were the ones that slagged him off and chanted him out the whole time he was here. I have always been passively unconvinced by him. He relies heavily on " old boys" (i.e. players he knows and trusts). He's good at getting the best out of players with a similar mentality to himself.

When we got the PL he was limited tactically and hadnt a clue how to set up stall away from home. He's a good motivator.....that's your lot. He is also one of those lucky people in life who always seems to land on his feet.....perhaps I'm not giving him enough credit for being clever and moving at the right times!

 

[TonyAgana]

He relies heavily on " old boys" (i.e. players he knows and trusts). He's good at getting the best out of players with a similar mentality to himself.

Bassett was always heavily reliant on "old boys", too. We had half of his Watford squad at one point or another during his tenure. Come to think of it, don't we all feel more comfortable and at ease with "old boys"? Isn't that what makes Sheffield United "Sheffield United"? We love an "old boy"! It's why Silverfox is so popular! In fact, the crux of this very thread seems to derive from that attitude.

 

[oldblade]

Too right. He also had the best squad of players before recruiting. Warnock is good at a number of things but anyone who thinks he is a great manager and brilliant tactician is being totally naive.

Some of the people who praise him now and try to wish him back were the ones that slagged him off and chanted him out the whole time he was here. I have always been passively unconvinced by him. He relies heavily on " old boys" (i.e. players he knows and trusts). He's good at getting the best out of players with a similar mentality to himself.

When we got the PL he was limited tactically and hadnt a clue how to set up stall away from home. He's a good motivator.....that's your lot. He is also one of those lucky people in life who always seems to land on his feet.....perhaps I'm not giving him enough credit for being clever and moving at the right times!

I don't think anyone has said he's a great manager or brilliant tactician. But I think there is a general feeling that he was better than anyone who has followed him so far. And I feel we would be at least several places further up the league even with the current squad.

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

And Blackwell wasn't a bad decision - just very average; its interesting to think that had he stayed would we be higher in the league?

Certainly. We'd probably be in the top half hovering around 8th/9th like last season.

The way Blackwell was treated was ridiculous.

 

[Ted Danson]

I think the facts speak for themselves about Warnock - top of the league

with more money to spend than any other team in the division

Just wondering what Warnocks spent this season compared to how much we gave Nobson, Id wager that Warnocks spent less this season. If we'd kept him and given him half the cash we gave Nobson we'd have gone straight back up. I blame our fickle fans more than McCabe for him going

 

[Grecian2000]

I blame our fickle fans more than McCabe for him going

Why?

Anti Warnock feeling was far stronger in the period 03-05 than it was when he left. McCabe stuck by him then when a lot larger portion of the "fickle" (I'll use quotes rather than my usual diatribe when someone uses the term) fan base was against him in those lean years.

 

[Pinchy]

The way Blackwell was treated was ridiculous.

I agree. We were far too lenient. Tar and feathers would have been about right.

 

[sheepbridge]

The really bad thing and I can never forgive him for it, is apointing Robson, how can anyone claim to be a fan and do that, clueless.

That depends on whether you think Robson was appointed purely for his football management ability.
I firmly believe that he was appointed from his name and reputation abroad whilst we were trying to setup all these deals with the foreign clubs.
What sounds better for prospective partners:
"Meet our manager, Bryan Robson, ex England and Manchester United captain"
or
"Meet our manager, Neil Warnock, ex Chesterfield, Rotherham, Torquay, Lincoln, Scunthorpe and every other lower division club you can think of"

Not that I was (or am) a big fan of Warnock, far from it, but I think he was never going to be re-appointed as the club had decided on a new strategy for it's off-field ambitions and went for the best big-name option available, whilst reasoning that we had a decent squad, money available and Robson would attract decent players (which he did to be fair) and so even he couldn't go too badly wrong. Unfortunately he could.

...Although the strategy wasn't helped by the board allowing players to be signed on crazy wages that the club couldn't substain for long without an immediate promotion and then getting cold feet and selling the best striker in the division, then selling the best young players etc. etc.
So, yeah the appointment of Robson was a huge mistake for so many reasons, but it wasn't just the appointment that caused the issues today, it's all the subsequent actions that have occurred as well.

 

[Bath Blade]

Hands up if you thought it was right to sack Warnock
Hands up if you thought it was right to employ Bryan Robson as manager
Hands up if you thought it was right to bring in a man who left us for Leeds United and make him our manager
Hands up if you thought it was right to sack him after his first game of the season to try and impress potential new investors
Hands up if you thought it right to give a " proper footballer" his 1st ever management job with a shit set of players and tie his hands behind his back.

Yes to the first, third, fourth and fifth. The only mistake amongst those (admittedly Blackwell could have gone earlier) was appointing Robson and giving him more money than we'd ever spent before.

 

[Torrix1889]

Hands up if you thought it was right to sack Warnock - YESHands up if you thought it was right to employ Bryan Robson as manager - NOHands up if you thought it was right to bring in a man who left us for Leeds United and make him our manager - NOHands up if you thought it was right to sack him after his first game of the season to try and impress potential new investors - YESHands up if you thought it right to give a " proper footballer" his 1st ever management job with a shit set of players and tie his hands behind his back. - Initially YES, not sure now
Hands up if you are Kevin McCabe !! - NOHands up if you thought the answer to the first four questions was no - Errr, NOHands up if you are as inebriated as me ! ;-)

- Probably more so

 

[Crazyblade]

Hands up if you thought it was right to sack Warnock Definitely Not!
Hands up if you thought it was right to employ Bryan Robson as manager NO
Hands up if you thought it was right to bring in a man who left us for Leeds United and make him our manager Yes
Hands up if you thought it was right to sack him after his first game of the season to try and impress potential new investors No
Hands up if you thought it right to give a " proper footballer" his 1st ever management job with a shit set of players and tie his hands behind his back. As likeable as he may be, NO

I feel bad for Gary Speed, he's been landed with one hell of a job. Lets hope he finds a way to get us through it.

 

[Eskimo]

Like you say Steel City - when we got to the PL! Judging by how things are working out for the club with the managers who replaced Warnock. When do you think we will get back into the PL please? Its not possible I know but I'd settle for some of Neil's mediocrity now

 

[SteelCity Blade]

Like you say Steel City - when we got to the PL! Judging by how things are working out for the club with the managers who replaced Warnock. When do you think we will get back into the PL please? Its not possible I know but I'd settle for some of Neil's mediocrity now

You're looking at another decade IMO. I'm not at all blaming Warnock for our current situation....though I think our away form in the PL was down to him (a less significant factor). Neil Warnock was given a nice transfer kitty in our promotion season and already had a very solid squad full of good players. I'm not saying he's a bad manager, I'm saying he's gone a long way on the talent of players he's been fortunate to have.

We won promotion because it was the first time McCabe showed some real ambition in the transfer market (the thing we're paying a big price for now) and the season before (as some will remember) Warnock gave him an ultimatum of basically demanding money to spend on players or he would walk because he didnt feel he could take it any further without more backing. Which is fair enough all managers want more money, but it was the best thing Warnock ever did because ever since the success that followed his reputation has soared!

I'm not saying Warnock couldnt do a reasonable job now. He would probably have this side in a comfortable mid-table position because he would drag it out of them. But based on his true abilities as a manager I do not believe it is worth looking back and wishing for his return.

At a time when we're already sliding backwards we dont need to dream of another backwards step!

 

[JohnDenver]

I think we should get Warnock back just to see Lenners' reaction.

 

[SteelCity Blade]

I think we should get Warnock back just to see Lenners' reaction.

Since ive not been on this forum that long I can only imagine

I like lenners' posts and I may be in a minority but there's nothing better than reading a good old moan.....wouldnt be the same without len and olle.

 

[bladesman3]

are you kidding me? Blackwell badly treated?He was awful, cost us at wembley, should have gone after that insipid performance, kept him on too long and he filled the team with loanees...shambles..he has left speed with a crap demotivated squad.....Is Speed the right man? Dont think so...
one thing we will be lucky to do: escape relegation.
I used to care a lot about this club and i still do care but the old feeling i had that would mean my weekend was ruined if we lost...those days have gone...something has gone from the club i love..its soul....at leats that is what i feel..cant put my finger on it, if its not that..

 

[super_pig]

warnock was a bit of a knobhead who made me cringe when he came on tv.. we are still feeling the fallout of his constant haranguing of match officials.. BUT.. AND IT IS A BIG BUT.. he totally reinvigorated the SOUL of our club.. he inherited it much as it is now.. robson 'tried' to kill it and hoofwell killed it stone dead.. we need someone to do this again..
what we really do need IMO is a talismanic player.. all successful teams need one.. in the 70's we had currie.. 80's we had edwards.. 90's deano.. noughties .. lord brown.. liverpool have gerrard.. chelsea have drogba.. man utd rooney.. the unclean had curran and hirst.. why are these players important???.. because for some unfathomable reason the fans latch on to them because they feel when they are playing the team is invincible.. we have NOBODY to turn to .. how about monty?.. yeah f**k off all of our players (now morgan is out) are either loans or not bothereds.. and it shows