Outgoing? Hamer

[Back post bob]

His ability to score great goals,create goals and a pass that opens up a team.
All those things are what Bruno Fernándes has other than hard running,fitness and actually giving a damm about team work.
That's why we will be lucky to get a decent fee.

 

[jt64]

Monty & Morgs actually achieved promotion to the premier league, which is something Hamer hasn’t managed so far.

I’d say the pair of them acquitted themselves to a much higher standard in that league, pushing the relegation to last day rather than being relegated by Christmas like Hamer was (and without the weekly drubbings).

We were relegated before Hamer even signed, thanks to the incredibly idiotic risk averse decision to sell Ndiaye, and then sell our next best player a week later. Throwing Hamer under the bus in a dead season like that one was is crazy, nobody we could realisitically have brought in would have stood any sort of chance of staying up.

 

[SwissBlade]

We were relegated before Hamer even signed, thanks to the incredibly idiotic risk averse decision to sell Ndiaye, and then sell our next best player a week later. Throwing Hamer under the bus in a dead season like that one was is crazy, nobody we could realisitically have brought in would have stood any sort of chance of staying up.

I'm not really sure what you mean by "idiotic risk averse decision" either it was risky or it wasn't, it seems a contradictory statement. The timing of the loss was hard to recover from.

The decision to sell Ndiaye was because he'd failed to sign an improved contract. The final contract offer we made him, at the time was "said" to have been the biggest deal we'd offered a player or words to that affect. Keeping Ndiaye wouldn't have kept us up. The side was missing so much to stay up.

 

[54yrblade]

What is depressing is how a talented well paid footballer has no commitment to improve. No dedication to fitness, no discipline for teamwork and no awareness of game management. He'd do well to ask Morgan and Montgomery for advice on the above.

100 times this

 

[jt64]

I'm not really sure what you mean by "idiotic risk averse decision" either it was risky or it wasn't

The club opted to take the money at the time, rather than risk getting many multiple times of that if he helped keep us up, or nothing if he didn't. On the balance of probabilities keeping Ndiaye would have earned us more than selling him, but the club chose to cash out and leave us with zero credible attacking threat and instant relegation.

 

[Nick Jansky]

The club opted to take the money at the time, rather than risk getting many multiple times of that if he helped keep us up, or nothing if he didn't. On the balance of probabilities keeping Ndiaye would have earned us more than selling him, but the club chose to cash out and leave us with zero credible attacking threat and instant relegation.

We would have been relegated with or without him. We needed that money, as evidenced by the events that subsequently led to the points deduction. Once he refused to sign a new contract they did what they had to do. In my view it was the right call.

 

[jt64]

We would have been relegated with or without him.

Market at the time said we stayed up one time in three. A third of PL TV money for one season is worth more than whatever we extracted from Marseille. I've gone over this argument many a time, but sellling was surrendering any hope and indicating that you had no faith whatsoever in the team that brought us up. And if I had known that was what we would have done, I wouldn't have renewed my season ticket for that year

 

[Nick Jansky]

Market at the time said we stayed up one time in three. A third of PL TV money for one season is worth more than whatever we extracted from Marseille. I've gone over this argument many a time, but sellling was surrendering any hope and indicating that you had no faith whatsoever in the team that brought us up. And if I had known that was what we would have done, I wouldn't have renewed my season ticket for that year

I had absolutely no faith that the team that got us up would avoid relegation without spending a shitload of money on it, and that wasn’t going to happen. I expected relegation even before we sold Ndiaye & Berge. Same with last season’s team if we hadn’t blown it.

 

[jt64]

I had absolutely no faith that the team that got us up would avoid relegation without spending a shitload of money on it, and that wasn’t going to happen. I expected relegation even before we sold Ndiaye & Berge. Same with last season’s team if we hadn’t blown it.

I "expected" relegation as well. That is not the point. The point is that with Ndiaye (and, to a lesser extent, Berge) we had a puncher's chance. We would still go down more often than not, but we had a chance. The betting market knows far, far more than all of us, and it said we did. The amount of money punted on football is huge, and the market is very optimised. That said market didn't react quickly enough was very surprising, and gave me the second best betting opportunity of my lifetime after taking Mayweather over McGregor.

 

[bertieblade]

I "expected" relegation as well. That is not the point. The point is that with Ndiaye (and, to a lesser extent, Berge) we had a puncher's chance. We would still go down more often than not, but we had a chance. The betting market knows far, far more than all of us, and it said we did. The amount of money punted on football is huge, and the market is very optimised. That said market didn't react quickly enough was very surprising, and gave me the second best betting opportunity of my lifetime after taking Mayweather over McGregor.

But keeping them meant that if we had got relegated whilst they stayed with us we write off over £40m, something which we could not afford to have done. The sensible decision was subsequently to sell both players and also safe their salaries?

 

[1889]

What is depressing is how a talented well paid footballer has no commitment to improve. No dedication to fitness, no discipline for teamwork and no awareness of game management. He'd do well to ask Morgan and Montgomery for advice on the above.

If he needs advice on those subjects, he might as well call it a day tbh.

You need so many attributes to be a top player, if even one of them is missing, players never quite realise their full potential. Hamer has so much natural ability, but clearly his professionalism is lacking in terms of his fitness and self discipline, which is his undoing.

 

[Working Class Hero]

But keeping them meant that if we had got relegated whilst they stayed with us we write off over £40m, something which we could not afford to have done. The sensible decision was subsequently to sell both players and also safe their salaries?

Ndiaye was not on a high salary. In fact I'd bet he was on a lot less than Archer and Hamer, who came in as our main attacking replacements. To get another player in even half as good as Ndiaye, would always have meant paying more in wages, so it was never really saving the club £15m (or whatever he actually went for).

As well as almost certainly picking up more points with those two players in the team, there was also the fact that we may have had a stronger transfer window outside of that, as we wouldn't have been seen as a relegation certainty to other targets.

The players wouldn't have been demoralised before we even kicked a ball, and just as importantly the fans wouldn't either. A good start picking up a few points with Ndiaye doing what he's doing now could have had us fighting. If we're in the mix we can then also attract better players in January for the run in. Ndiaye might have even decided to sign a new contract anyway if things were going OK and he felt the Marseille ship had sailed (I don't imagine Berge would have, but you never know).

It's all ifs and buts, but there's much more to it than "we would have been relegated anyway so should have taken the money".

Fans will always be split on this, but no one will ever convince me that it was the right thing to do. Even more so now, as hindsight shows that we got relegated, couldn't get back up and are now skint. So the money has been squandered anyway.

 

[Keen Blade]

The summer is going to be interesting as the mistakes of the close season have bitten us on the arse quite badly.
removing Wilder and replacing him with Selles turned out to be the death of the season after as little as 6 games in.
The upheaval meant that we didnt get the proper pre-season that we needed and the players havent caught up on this.
We had a spell where we looked to be developing some form and there were slim hopes of catching the top 6. Recent results have ended any glimmer of hope.

Now we go into next season having to trim the squad/wage bill.

Obvious probable departures include Hamer who will be a top earner in the last year of his contract.
Whilst he has been hit and miss through the season, his stats for assists/goals is still quite impressive. He will be a big gap to fill (and i dont just mean his physique ). The problem is, with 12 months of his contract remaining, the fee we could receive will likely be on the lower side. I think we would struggle to get much more than 5 Million.
Others likely to be considered for departure will include ones that we could get a decent fee for (Peck, Brooks). I would like to see Brooks stay. He has shown progression through the season and is a player that will continue to improve in the coming seasons.
Peck may want to leave. I think he has ambitions to get to the top league sooner rather than later. He has the attributes and playing with players of higher ability will show how good he can be. Is he replaceable? yes.

This is where we could see the best of Wilder. he has shown that he is a little inconsistent when given large sums of money but has an eye for a bargain.
Bringing in players with a lower reputation but with potential and building a cohesive team of players who are willing to battle for each other whilst being organised and efficient is how he developed us the first time he came in. He could easily do the same again with the financial constraints he is going to be under.
Looking at the current team/squad and taking into account possible departures, there is likely to be a lot of business needed.

Players I see being considered for next season: (Assuming 4411 or 442)
GK - Cooper (If regains fitness/form) - Need a capable No.2 challenger (Tickle?)
LB - Burrows (if can regain form)/McCallum (if regains fitness) - Capable of covering this position
CB - Tanganga (needs to regain early season form).
CB - ? - Dont think McGuinness is the answer and Mee probably wont be renewed
RB - Seriki - Need someone to challenge/cover. Shackleton isnt the option (serial crock)
LM - ? - Think Hamer leaves. Chong isnt the answer. Need 1/2 brought in.
CM - Riedewald/Peck (if an offer doesnt come in for him)
CM - Rothwell (Wilder brought him in for next season and will push him into the team)/Arblaster (if regains form/fitness)
RM - Brooks (If no sizeable offer comes in) - need cover/challenge
AM/ST - O'Hare (Has to be in the side for his pressing ability and build up play/Cannon (Wilder will persist with him)
ST - Bamford - Think Campbell will be allowed to move on if an offer comes in.

Looking at the above, we need to move on the likes of McGuinness, Shackleton (if he ever regains fitness), Matos, Chong.
I dont see new contract for Ings, Mee, Davies A, Davies T.
We could see offers for Hamer, Brooks, Seriki, maybe Campbell
The loans will return. I would like to see us look at a possible return for Bindon as a CB option though.
This means we will need to bring in a GK, CB x2, RB, LM x2, CM, ST x2. We will also need to look at some creative attacking players as options.
Make no mistake, its going to be a mammoth task.
I'm fairly excited to see what happens.......

Wilder must stop recruiting old crocks who are on their personal downward trajectories and start getting some younger players who are thoroughly scouted , not crocks and on their personal upward trajectories , even if they are coming up from L1.
Look at the Deane/Agana years.
Look at 2016-20.
Search for those players whose personal progression is going to lift the club.
Stop loaning or signing the has-beens.

 

[Hallamboy87]

If it's true that we still owe Coventry for some of the transfer fee, can see him going back there as a squad player in the premier league. Be a low risk signing for them as he would be able to come off the bench and change a game. Also, they would get him on the cheap and he loves it there let's be honest. The number of times he's been seen at a Coventry match is embarrassing considering he's our player!!

 

[bertieblade]

He is more likely to go abroad