Outgoing? Hamer

[Kozzy_is_my_Dad]

Just said in ShoutyB, if he goes I'd be hugely disappointed. Don't get me wrong, I expect him to go, but In Hamer and O'Hare we have the two Champ players I wanted us to sign. I was beyond delighted. And then we've never utilised them properly. Hamer was initially in the shittest of PL teams and part of an overrun midfield.

Then we had him with his best buddy O'Hare, which ought to have been a masterstroke but we played him out of position and limited their ability to link up in the manner that they were used to. We had some relatively good finances too; why didn't we build a system around them with good players, to make them the stars of the side? It wasn't hard, we just had to copy Cov's homework.

The talk yesterday of further signings to supplement Hamer is our main reason for hope, but it may be too late, in terms of FINALLY building a side around him (and O'Hare). If that's the case, only United could fumble that.

 

[Kozzy_is_my_Dad]

Currently watching this shit on repeat:

 

[FriethBlade]

We have to run a business as well as a football club and if we can sell him at the height of his value to replace with three players who will appreciate in value and overall make us a better team it is good football and business sense.
Or we could ask chansiri or someone of his ilk to take over

When you say replace, if that means sign then fair enough.

Good business was selling Berge and Ndiaye with1yr left on their contracts and replacing them with Souza and Ndiaye.

Hopefully it will be good business selling Anel and replacing him with Tanganga. Going to be more difficult to replace Hamer with a like for like.

 

[SRBlade]

I don't have confidence in us having a player or players lined up ready to sign if we decide to offload our most valuable player the day before the window closes.

 

[bertieblade]

I don't have confidence in us having a player or players lined up ready to sign if we decide to offload our most valuable player the day before the window closes.

Err Solomon?

 

[Frank the tank]

When you say replace, if that means sign then fair enough.

Good business was selling Berge and Ndiaye with1yr left on their contracts and replacing them with Souza and Ndiaye.

Hopefully it will be good business selling Anel and replacing him with Tanganga. Going to be more difficult to replace Hamer with a like for like.

Replacing ndiaye with ndiaye would have been excellent business

 

[TJB.]

Hamer plays today.

 

[mcbladeface]

We have to run a business as well as a football club and if we can sell him at the height of his value to replace with three players who will appreciate in value and overall make us a better team it is good football and business sense.
Or we could ask chansiri or someone of his ilk to take over

While this is fair point, especially if you look across the city for a reminder of where hanging onto players gets you, if is doing a lot of heavy lifting in this scenario.

IF we can get in three players who can appreciate in value and end up being worth something like Hamer is in a season or two? Great! And that would be a really good argument were this the start or even the middle of the window. But we're at the tail end and we're notorious for taking an absolute age to get a deal over the line, let alone three. And for it to be worthwhile, you'd want decently low fees which this isn't the best time for AND you'd want them to be pretty good to start with. Three permanent signings? I find that hard to see.

I find it more likely at this late stage we'd get a loan of someone decent and maybe a punt on someone unheard of which frankly would be pretty poor business.

 

[bertieblade]

Solomon is apparently loan to buy, the guy from Chelsea similar .

 

[Reus]

Solomon is apparently loan to buy, the guy from Chelsea similar .

That would mean dropping one of the other loans from the match day squad.

 

[UddersBlade]

That would mean dropping one of the other loans from the match day squad.

Ha ha…..well we are experts that after the Gilchrist shambles after Jan transfer window last season when we also ended up with 6 loans.

 

[mcbladeface]

Loan with an option to buy says to me that the buy price is presumably relying us on having a promotion windfall (otherwise we'd be buying them now with Hamer money).

In which case it's every bit the gamble as hanging onto Hamer. If we loan to buy, fail to get promoted and so can't afford the option, we're not left in a stronger position at all.

 

[bladesmanluke]

Solomon is apparently loan to buy, the guy from Chelsea similar .

That will mean we need to leave one of the loanees out of the side again. Such poor planning

 

[bladesmanluke]

Loan with an option to buy says to me that the buy price is presumably relying us on having a promotion windfall (otherwise we'd be buying them now with Hamer money).

In which case it's every bit the gamble as hanging onto Hamer. If we loan to buy, fail to get promoted and so can't afford the option, we're not left in a stronger position at all.

That's true, but there's no way we can put ourselves in a stronger position for next season anyway. We'd be losing out on £40m of parachute payments. It's not realistic to expect us to be in a stronger position next season in any sense

 

[mcbladeface]

That's true, but there's no way we can put ourselves in a stronger position for next season anyway. We'd be losing out on £40m of parachute payments. It's not realistic to expect us to be in a stronger position next season in any sense

I agree, I was just responding to the idea that it could be a good move to sell Hamer now and use the cash to get in 2 or 3 players who will appreciate in value going forward because that doesn't really work if those 2 to 3 players are loan-to-buy players.

 

[HeCanDoMagic]

Solomon is apparently loan to buy, the guy from Chelsea similar .

The guy from Chelsea is permanent

 

[FriethBlade]

Replacing ndiaye with ndiaye would have been excellent business

Hamer

 

[CaptainMorgans]

Solomon is apparently loan to buy, the guy from Chelsea similar .

It would be a very strange move for us to carry 6 loanees into the start of a new season, knowing that one of them would need to be left out of the matchday squad.
It wasn't a good look when we did it with Gilchrist and he was (rightly) pretty pissed off about it too.

Reports suggest Matos is a permanent move, likely one with unreasonable buy/sell-on clauses but such is the way when dealing with clubs at the top of the pyramid.

 

[bertieblade]

Loan with an option to buy says to me that the buy price is presumably relying us on having a promotion windfall (otherwise we'd be buying them now with Hamer money).

In which case it's every bit the gamble as hanging onto Hamer. If we loan to buy, fail to get promoted and so can't afford the option, we're not left in a stronger position at all.

But we would have banked or borrowed forward against the Hamer purchase, which provides us with funds for next season, irrespective of promotion

 

[ben1987]

Solomon is apparently loan to buy, the guy from Chelsea similar .

Sky sports Pete ORouke said the Chelsea lad was a permanent deal this window.

 

[bertieblade]

Ok that is good

 

[Youngand70]

Just said in ShoutyB, if he goes I'd be hugely disappointed. Don't get me wrong, I expect him to go, but In Hamer and O'Hare we have the two Champ players I wanted us to sign. I was beyond delighted. And then we've never utilised them properly. Hamer was initially in the shittest of PL teams and part of an overrun midfield.

Then we had him with his best buddy O'Hare, which ought to have been a masterstroke but we played him out of position and limited their ability to link up in the manner that they were used to. We had some relatively good finances too; why didn't we build a system around them with good players, to make them the stars of the side? It wasn't hard, we just had to copy Cov's homework.

The talk yesterday of further signings to supplement Hamer is our main reason for hope, but it may be too late, in terms of FINALLY building a side around him (and O'Hare). If that's the case, only United could fumble that.

Which manager didn’t utilise them properly? Just asking.

 

[Greasy Chap Butty]

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[Bladesdoc]

Hamer captain today !!

 

[Greasy Chap Butty]

 

[ThroughThinAndThinner]

Bedwetters FC

 

[NerdyBlade]

Subtle as a brick and i fucking love it

 

[Kozzy_is_my_Dad]

Which manager didn’t utilise them properly? Just asking.

This one and the last one, so far.

 

[Moan? Nope-I saw Longhorn]

Forgive the flawed analogy but when Rolf Harris was famed for painting and not being a nonce, he’d be painting away and you’d have no idea what it was.

“Can you guess what it is yet?”

The all of a sudden he’d turn it upside down and it would be a Yee tree

Anyway, feels like that. I’ve given up trying to track the squad and map the positions. Can’t quite decide if we’re playing 3D chess or throwing shit and the wall and seeing what sticks.

We’re so close now. Let’s just see how we look at the end of the window.

Not withstanding the atrocious analogy, I (still wouldn’t have the foggiest idea what a “Yee tree” looked like whichever way up I looked at it

 

[Blades1971]

Why would he be playing today, if a transfer was imminent? Doesn't make sense