Hamer

[Flatcap]

Clayton Donaldson scored a brace on his Blades debut.

 

[ISZA ⚔️]

Scratching my head at how we managed to pull this signing off given the absolute state we’re in at the moment.

 

[Sithblade]

I can only think of one other player that scored on their United debut..........Tony Currie we all know what he went onto become.

Are there others ?

If it was on the left Glyn Hodges scored a similar one at Crystal Palace in the 1991/2 season.
Around 7-8 minutes into the video, ended up losing 2-1 then as well.
Edit, thought you meant scored a similar goal not on debut.

 

[Lord Eddard Muir]

I can only think of one other player that scored on their United debut..........Tony Currie we all know what he went onto become.

Are there others ?

Jean Calvé. That one was arguably even better than last night's one. Never scored another, though.

Editing to clarify that I do NOT expect Hamer's Blades career to fizzle out like Calvé's did.

 

[Kozzy_is_my_Dad]

I think he's struggling with the lack of quality around him. Yes, he was the standout player at Cov, but they weren't trying to compete with PL opponents week in, week out.

He's good, but he doesn't quite bring a bit of everything, as N'Diaye did. I think he's trying to play several key roles at once, he's almost overthinking it, and I'm not sure he's quite fit either. He certainly wouldn't have the natural athleticism of N'Diaye, for example.

My concern is that he'll get disgruntled and pissed off. We have to simplify his role, and develop a system, rather than to reply on one individual.

 

[Bladesman]

I think he's struggling with the lack of quality around him. Yes, he was the standout player at Cov, but they weren't trying to compete with PL opponents week in, week out.

He's good, but he doesn't quite bring a bit of everything, as N'Diaye did. I think he's trying to play several key roles at once, he's almost overthinking it, and I'm not sure he's quite fit either. He certainly wouldn't have the natural athleticism of N'Diaye, for example.

My concern is that he'll get disgruntled and pissed off. We have to simplify his role, and develop a system, rather than to reply on one individual.

He is still putting the ball in the net.

I think if our defence could defend a corner it may actually help the rest of the team.

 

[CPB]

The midfield needs a bit more of a plan.

Souza kinda knows his role. But I'm not sure Hamer and McAtee are always sure. Which is causing problems in defence, attack and transitions. Slimane looked ok when he came on yesterday too.

 

[DronnieBlade]

To look good in the Prem, you HAVE to be :-

1. 6 foot plus.
2. Strong.
3. Quick.
4. Have unbelievable levels of stamina.

And also be technically excellent.

Hamer, like so many of our players, doesn’t tick nowhere near enough of these boxes.

Sad. But true.

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[Jimmy Fleck]

I’d start slimane with hamer and Souza, mcatee needs to be more of an impact player

 

[Servigliano]

To look good in the Prem, you HAVE to be :-

1. 6 foot plus.
2. Strong.
3. Quick.
4. Have unbelievable levels of stamina.

And also be technically excellent.

Hamer, like so many of our players, doesn’t tick nowhere near enough of these boxes.

Sad. But true.

UTB

So, no room for a Messi, Maradona, Modric, Xavi, D Silva, Aguero, or even Ndiayie then...

 

[Edgar Allan Poo]

To look good in the Prem, you HAVE to be :-

1. 6 foot plus.
2. Strong.
3. Quick.
4. Have unbelievable levels of stamina.

And also be technically excellent.

Hamer, like so many of our players, doesn’t tick nowhere near enough of these boxes.

Sad. But true.

UTB

Woo hoo - got one out of those!

 

[BladesOnToast]

To look good in the Prem, you HAVE to be :-

1. 6 foot plus.
2. Strong.
3. Quick.
4. Have unbelievable levels of stamina.

And also be technically excellent.

Hamer, like so many of our players, doesn’t tick nowhere near enough of these boxes.

Sad. But true.

UTB

That explains why Wayne Rooney had such a dismal career at the top level then.

 

[DronnieBlade]

That explains why Wayne Rooney had such a dismal career at the top level then.

Rooney ticks 4 of the 5.

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[DronnieBlade]

So, no room for a Messi, Maradona, Modric, Xavi, D Silva, Aguero, or even Ndiayie then...

Great examples.

All of whom tick a boatload of the boxes and have otherwise Elite level technical ability.

Thanks for putting me straight though !!

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[Tickhill Blade]

To look good in the Prem, you HAVE to be :-

1. 6 foot plus.
2. Strong.
3. Quick.
4. Have unbelievable levels of stamina.

And also be technically excellent.

Hamer, like so many of our players, doesn’t tick nowhere near enough of these boxes.

Sad. But true.

UTB

Is this where we name fat players who looked good in the prem?

 

[DronnieBlade]

Is this where we name fat players who looked good in the prem?
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Don’t take what I have said out of context.

In 2023, you NEED to tick many, if not all of the boxes.

Tiss was a bit special even if his BMI, by most standards, may have been a bit sub optimal !

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[Groucho Blade]

Is this where we name fat players who looked good in the prem?
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That level of fitness is nowhere near acceptable in the PL now. He wouldn’t last five minutes these days. Unless he was playing for us obvs.

 

[bladesince64]

We need to have a competitive, athletic midfield three of Souza, Slimane and Davies to get stuck into the tackling and pressing, with Hamer and Archer further forward behind McB.

Trusty will be also be an enforced change (Egan injury) to play alongside Anel and Robbo with George and Thomas either side

 

[SUFCinks]

To look good in the Prem, you HAVE to be :-

1. 6 foot plus.
2. Strong.
3. Quick.
4. Have unbelievable levels of stamina.

And also be technically excellent.

Hamer, like so many of our players, doesn’t tick nowhere near enough of these boxes.

Sad. But true.

UTB

Technical ability is the most important. Being 6ft is a ridiculous take. Lots of very good players who aren’t blessed with pace, strength or height.

 

[DronnieBlade]

Technical ability is the most important. Being 6ft is a ridiculous take. Lots of very good players who aren’t blessed with pace, strength or height.

Have you watched the PL this season ?

A good 80% tick that 1 particular box.

The rest, inevitably, tick the vast majority of the others.

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[Carlton Blade]

To look good in the Prem, you HAVE to be :-

1. 6 foot plus.
2. Strong.
3. Quick.
4. Have unbelievable levels of stamina.

And also be technically excellent.

Hamer, like so many of our players, doesn’t tick nowhere near enough of these boxes.

Sad. But true.

UTB

That's so wrong it's difficult to formulate a response

 

[SUFCinks]

Have you watched the PL this season ?

A good 80% tick that 1 particular box.

The rest, inevitably, tick the vast majority of the others.

UTB

Absolute rubbish, I could name endless players under 5’ 10”. Some of these player don’t tick any of the boxes you mention.

David silva
Odegaard
Saka
Jesus
Jota
foden
James maddison
Alexander Arnold
Kante
Elliot
Lanzini
Azpilicueta
Lamptey
Creswell
Mendy
Podence
Alvarez
Salah
Doku

Etc.

All short. All technically gifted. Some have no pace and weak as piss.

 

[DronnieBlade]

Absolute rubbish, I could name endless players under 5’ 10”. Some of these player don’t tick any of the boxes you mention.

David silva
Odegaard
Saka
Jesus
Jota
foden
James maddison
Alexander Arnold
Kante
Elliot
Lanzini
Azpilicueta
Lamptey
Creswell
Mendy
Podence
Alvarez
Salah
Doku

Etc.

All short. All technically gifted. Some have no pace and weak as piss.

Wow.

Your list emphasises my point much more than you obviously accept or appreciate.

No pace stamina or weak as piss ?

Me thinks not .

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[Barnette]

Fitness and awareness - that is where our players are falling short.
Which is frustrating because that should be a given in the Prem

 

[mattbianco1]

I agree with DronnieBlade

One thing I've noticed since we came back up is how big and strong the defenders are. We bounce off them. But they're all athletic too.
Dan Burn. Dan fuckin Burn powered down our right hand side about a million times last week. He was like prime JOC... how/when did Dan Burn become fast?

 

[shorehamview]

To look good in the Prem, you HAVE to be :-

Really good at football. Better than Championship levels. International level, perhaps. Capable of making the step up from being good, to really good. And consistently really good. Maybe even really, really good.

We’ve got good players. A few are really good. But are they consistently really good? They’re certainly not consistently really, really good for this level.

Height, speed, strength, number of tattoos, they all count for nothing unless you’re really, really good. Consistently.

 

[mattbianco1]

Absolute rubbish, I could name endless players under 5’ 10”. Some of these player don’t tick any of the boxes you mention.

David silva
Odegaard
Saka
Jesus
Jota
foden
James maddison
Alexander Arnold
Kante
Elliot
Lanzini
Azpilicueta
Lamptey
Creswell
Mendy
Podence
Alvarez
Salah
Doku

Etc.

All short. All technically gifted. Some have no pace and weak as piss.

All have 3/4 of the attributes listed

 

[SUFCinks]

Wow.

Your list emphasises my point much more than you obviously accept or appreciate.

No pace stamina or weak as piss ?

Me thinks not .

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No your point is still ridiculous as i’ve just named and could name loads more short players who are some of the best in the prem. you don’t have to have height, strength, speed, stamina and technical ability.

David silva, short, slow, weak, average stamina just insane technical ability. Odegaard, maddison both similarly avergage pace, strength, stamina, and short. I could keep going.

I could disprove that list with many more players.

 

[SUFCinks]

All have 3/4 of the attributes listed

I don’t agree with that at all.

 

[DronnieBlade]

No your point is still ridiculous as i’ve just named and could name loads more short players who are some of the best in the prem. you don’t have to have height, strength, speed, stamina and technical ability.

David silva, short, slow, weak, average stamina just insane technical ability. Odegaard, maddison both similarly avergage pace, strength, stamina, and short. I could keep going.

I could disprove that list with many more players.

No your point is still ridiculous as i’ve just named and could name loads more short players who are some of the best in the prem. you don’t have to have height, strength, speed, stamina and technical ability.

David silva, short, slow, weak, average stamina just insane technical ability. Odegaard, maddison both similarly avergage pace, strength, stamina, and short. I could keep going.

I could disprove that list with many more players.

Quote :-

“No.

Your point is ridiculous”.

That’s me told .

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