Groundhog day?

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It is an interesting moment in our season to take stock. The next week will certainly be huge. And there are so many different angles one could take to taking stock.

I remember my post when Nick Blackman was sold where I asked people to state their expectations of United's finishing position with or without Blackman as a yardstick for future reference. Back then we were on a crap run. Not surprisingly, the general gist was that with Blackman it would have beeen play-offs, without him we'd make the play-offs, too, or just about miss out. As it stands, we are looking at the play-offs as a minimum. So within that collective reference system of early February, we should be more or less feeling as if we are on track and yet we all are disappointed as there is a feeling that we are gradually pissing away automatic that was there for the taking.

I suppose that shows that we all are guilty of what Olle loves to call "scoreline journalism". It is difficult to keep up a consistent expectation level without reacting to ups and downs.

The moment I kind of felt like we are forever running in circles in a hamster's wheel was the evening after Carlisle. That day I thought that the parallels to 2009 were suddenly too striking to ignore. Blackwell was also pinching lots of away points on 4-5-1, generally to groans of "lack of poise or entertainment". Good Friday we had landed a massive 1-0 win away at Reading (read Tranmere 2013) only to be held 0-0 by time-wasting Notts Forest in a hugely underwhelming Easter Monday home match (read Carlisle). We then lost away to Burnley, of course, and went into the last day knowing that a game between rivals Reading and Brum offered us a lifeline as we ourselves played opposition with nothing to play for. To me, that painfully looks like Brentford vs Doncaster or Tranmere vs Bournemouth on the last day this year... :confused:

Swindon or Brentford could easily become 2009's Burnley, first condemning us to play catch up for automatic shortly before the season's end before then polishing us off in the play-offs soon after. The Porter - Craig Beattie analogy has already been spotted by a few others on here.

I suppose this is all rather sad - as it is a sorry snapshot of where we are with no hint of a solution. I am not normally a knocker at all. But I struggle to see how the outcome is going to be different to 2009 or indeed last season.

However, last year's so called "failure" was easy to love, easy to forgive for. This year or 2009 is not. If you play a certain dour "the end justifies the means" style, you are condemned to actually do it. If you don't get there, the lack of "sexiness" makes the team rather difficult to adore regardless.

One last point maybe, failure... I have resigned myself to Bournemouth finishing on 85 points, i.e. beating Shrewsbury, Carlisle and Tranmere. While I agree that it seems as if we already wasted a ridiculous amount of opportunities this season (rotten 0-0s vs Orient, Franchise and Carlisle, 1 point from 6 at home vs Bury and Hartlepool, the soul-destroying away draw at Notts County), you'd also have to say that there is an element of "credit where it's due" if Bournemouth were to do a Wednesday this year. You don't have to "collapse" or "fail" all that badly if a team overtakes you by getting 27 points from 27 available. Wednesday's run equally was amazing and overshadowed our similarly strong points collection rate last year.

The problem with groundhog days always is, how do you break the cycle? How to convince yourself that all too familiar patterns will not be repeated? I'll watch versus Crawley with my customary blurry-eyed hope and enthusiasm but I won't be able to shake a feeling of dejà vue whatever happens.

Prove me wrong, Blades!
 



That is what I tried to get at with my survey in January. Back then I was surprised that few people actually seemed to feel that selling Blackman made all that much of a difference to our eventual finishing position. With that in mind, can we really say with conviction that if we get our customary third-place finish on 80 points that we would have done better had Blackman stayed?

Or would those who said "play-offs" in either scenario be somehow disingenious to retroactively rate the sale as main reason for our failure to go up?

That aside I fully agree with you. We have a habit of thinning out the squad at key times and enter the final straight with our pants around our ankles, playing players in key positions that were initially brought in as squad-fillers...

Except for the Wolves play-off final, all four other attempts were a case of the "Walking Dead". We were on our last legs vs Sunderland when we lost in the semis, half the team was knackered in the epic second leg at Ipswich and both last year and 2009 the team that started the final was severely weakened when compared to an imaginary average "early-March" selection. Fixture congestion and recent developments point towards this again being the case in 2013 should we indeed have to go through the play-offs.

So on top of player sales, I would add that we seem pretty poor at contigency planning or learning our lessons from the past. We never seem to plan or prepare for the play-offs but always hit them having busted our guts to get second right until the finishing line.
 
As it stands it looks scarily like 2009. We got 8 points from our last 5 games and only scored two goals. 1.6 points per game this season will see us falling short and probably continuing to fail in front of goal for the playoffs.

Crawley is a pivotal must-win game.

The only way to get out of the malaise of drying up in front of goal is a "fuck it" attitude. High tempo, shoot on sight, stick McFadzean in because he won't know any different than to go for it and get behind players.

We need Forte to run his heart out and also get in behind and shoot. McDonald having a good game would be a huge bonus as well.

That could be the rub, Forte's hardly composed or prolific.

I say go for it and damn the consequences. If it's a drab 0-0 again I'll be furious. If we unluckily lose a game because we've gone for it, fair enough, I won't like it but I'll accept it.

There is the additional problem of then sustaining it for 5 more games ...........................
 
I don't think it's disingenuous to hope things will be ok in Jan and that the replacements will be up to speed but then having witnessed the evidence three months on change your mind Chris. That aside, all good for me.
 
top selling your top striker at important times.
UTB

This for me is without doubt the groundhog day link in its whole. OK last season wasn't that we sold him but he went in clink. Apart from that we seem to think we can strip the best players out of the team, replace them with loanees and dross of a lower quality and still be ok.

If all your best employees left and were replaced with ones of a lower quality you would struggle to be as good as you were. It doesn't matter what line of work you are in, these are basic facts. Why do we expect Wilson to come up with as good a team when Quinn, Evans and Maguire are sold/vanish from his squad? Then we sell Blackman who to Wilsons credit was a cracking find and we have to do the dance of death all over again.
 
Good point, Raul. You have made me scratch my head and think hard here. Now we are getting almost philosophical, aka Dazzler vs Walthy territory. :rolleyes: Anyone who in January expected United to finish in the play-offs with Blackman would have had a strong empirical sample from August to January, leading them to believe that, no, United weren't good enough for automatic. He then gets taken out and replaced with players you looked at in January and thought, no, still not good enough for automatic.

If you then finish play-offs, shouldn't that logically mean that in your eyes the team was never good enough for automatic, regardless of personnel? Or isn't that logical? I must confess that I am better with words than with maths or other such dry matters... :D

Unless, of course, the argument isn't a strict either-or scenario but a case of had we somehow kept Blackman and added January's recruits. If that is an option, my survey is indeed fairly useless and yes, I fully concur with you.

Must lay down.
 
This for me is without doubt the groundhog day link in its whole. OK last season wasn't that we sold him but he went in clink. Apart from that we seem to think we can strip the best players out of the team, replace them with loanees and dross of a lower quality and still be ok.

If all your best employees left and were replaced with ones of a lower quality you would struggle to be as good as you were. It doesn't matter what line of work you are in, these are basic facts. Why do we expect Wilson to come up with as good a team when Quinn, Evans and Maguire are sold/vanish from his squad? Then we sell Blackman who to Wilsons credit was a cracking find and we have to do the dance of death all over again.


Thing is Bladesway, I really do accept that we can't be the same team as last year. What I've come to learn, at the same time as realising that we'll never win owt, is that you have to entertain a little bit along the way. If this is the football that we've got to expect, then I don't want it or the man whos' teams play it.

UTB
 
Thing is Bladesway, I really do accept that we can't be the same team as last year. What I've come to learn, at the same time as realising that we'll never win owt, is that you have to entertain a little bit along the way. If this is the football that we've got to expect, then I don't want it or the man whos' teams play it.

UTB

Who is the man who makes them play it though? The same bloke who played attacking flowing football last year. So you have to say its the players he has at his disposal. Blackman gave us goals. He was young, and so not overly expensive. What do we do? We go and sell him. This act of lunacy has single handedly blighted Sheffield United season after season. Kilgallon, Beattie, Tonge, Deane, Fjortoft, Holdsworth, Kelly, Walker, Blake, Edwards, Cockerill. The names are the ones off the top of my head. Just about every decent player we have is sold but the expectation is still there to do the same job.

I've come to realise we are shit and will never win anything. But I would really, really like it if the bloke at the top stopped moving the goalposts around like they were on wheels.
 
I thought wed get auto in Jan and I still think it now with or without Blackman.

Blackman was only our top scorer because he took pens, yes we lost a good winger when he left but I think if he was still here we would still need a natural finisher.
 
One last point maybe, failure... I have resigned myself to Bournemouth finishing on 85 points, i.e. beating Shrewsbury, Carlisle and Tranmere. While I agree that it seems as if we already wasted a ridiculous amount of opportunities this season (rotten 0-0s vs Orient, Franchise and Carlisle, 1 point from 6 at home vs Bury and Hartlepool, the soul-destroying away draw at Notts County), you'd also have to say that there is an element of "credit where it's due" if Bournemouth were to do a Wednesday this year. You don't have to "collapse" or "fail" all that badly if a team overtakes you by getting 27 points from 27 available. Wednesday's run equally was amazing and overshadowed our similarly strong points collection rate last year.

The problem with groundhog days always is, how do you break the cycle? How to convince yourself that all too familiar patterns will not be repeated? I'll watch versus Crawley with my customary blurry-eyed hope and enthusiasm but I won't be able to shake a feeling of dejà vue whatever happens.

Prove me wrong, Blades!

Great post.

I agree that a great amount of credit should be given to Bournemouth as if they achieve that total it would be an incredible run. You touched earlier on the annoyance of silly points dropped and this is where I disagree that there is nothing you can do to beat a team on that run. We could have beat them with only a slightly better run of our own beforehand. We could fail on the point that we didn't get enough points regardless of a run and we should be high enough now for those 27 points to still mean they would be one less than us. Wednesday and maybe Bournemouth have chose a time to get the points on the board when everyone takes note as it makes more difference but one or two points picked up here or there would have meant we wouldn't have had to worry at all.

Still optimistic and a win tomorrow I think would give us the lift and positivity we all need to push on a have our own winning streak to secure what is still in our hands, second place!

UTB
 
The only reason the pigs and bournemouth did/are doing so well is because we are bastard cursed.
 
Although I believe Miller is the player we've missed most, not blackman
 
Who is the man who makes them play it though? The same bloke who played attacking flowing football last year. So you have to say its the players he has at his disposal. Blackman gave us goals. He was young, and so not overly expensive. What do we do? We go and sell him. This act of lunacy has single handedly blighted Sheffield United season after season. Kilgallon, Beattie, Tonge, Deane, Fjortoft, Holdsworth, Kelly, Walker, Blake, Edwards, Cockerill. The names are the ones off the top of my head. Just about every decent player we have is sold but the expectation is still there to do the same job.

I've come to realise we are shit and will never win anything. But I would really, really like it if the bloke at the top stopped moving the goalposts around like they were on wheels.


He's got enough of his own players left to be responsible for the style they play though. He is gambling, in a blackwellesque way, that we'll get the best points haul if we play like we're a coat of paint drying on a wall - fair enough if it pays off - but I can't watch year after year of it.

The sale of Blackman, though important to this season, isn't the reason we're so dull. We were dull before he left, it's just that he threatened the odd spark that nobody else did and contributed the goals that seemingly nobody else can.

Though we've pressed "self destruct" again, I just can't accept that he hasn't got the resources to have a go at teams like Carlisle when we are at home in front of 20,000 of our own fans.

UTB
 



We beat Bournemouth away. Had we beaten Wednesday at Hillsborough we would be in the Championship and not them.:)

Indeed. It could pan out in a way that we get eight points from twelve available against the two teams in the automatic promotion places, yet still fail to go up.
 
Great post.

I agree that a great amount of credit should be given to Bournemouth as if they achieve that total it would be an incredible run. You touched earlier on the annoyance of silly points dropped and this is where I disagree that there is nothing you can do to beat a team on that run. We could have beat them with only a slightly better run of our own beforehand. We could fail on the point that we didn't get enough points regardless of a run and we should be high enough now for those 27 points to still mean they would be one less than us. Wednesday and maybe Bournemouth have chose a time to get the points on the board when everyone takes note as it makes more difference but one or two points picked up here or there would have meant we wouldn't have had to worry at all.

Still optimistic and a win tomorrow I think would give us the lift and positivity we all need to push on a have our own winning streak to secure what is still in our hands, second place!

UTB

If we beat Crawley tomorrow, we are 3 points behind Bournemouth with two games in hand and a better goal difference. That would, I think, add a great deal of self belief to us and put the willies up Bournemouth.

Its been said millions of times but a win tomorrow is monumentally vital. It could be the difference between automatic and the play off purgatory.
 
If we beat Crawley tomorrow, we are 3 points behind Bournemouth with two games in hand and a better goal difference. That would, I think, add a great deal of self belief to us and put the willies up Bournemouth.

Its been said millions of times but a win tomorrow is monumentally vital. It could be the difference between automatic and the play off purgatory.

Nail on head. IMO a win tomorrow is more important than a win on Saturday...
 
win, win win, attack, attack, attack........

There are still enough games and points to play for. Muffers will not win all their games and Donny will drop a cod as well.

I fully intend to be doing a "David Pleat" before the season is over;



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If we beat Crawley tomorrow, we are 3 points behind Bournemouth with two games in hand and a better goal difference. That would, I think, add a great deal of self belief to us and put the willies up Bournemouth.

Its been said millions of times but a win tomorrow is monumentally vital. It could be the difference between automatic and the play off purgatory.

yes and no.

tomorow is vital, but if we fail to beat Swindle or Brentford then its likely bournemouth will still pip us. we have so many games in such a short time with a small squad.

but lets not get ahead of ourselves, and win tomorow first.
 
We beat Bournemouth away. Had we beaten Wednesday at Hillsborough we would be in the Championship and not them.:)

I often think about williamson hitting the underside of the bar and knowing at that moment, the shaft was about to penetrate.
 
I often think about williamson hitting the underside of the bar and knowing at that moment, the shaft was about to penetrate.

Interesting turn of phrase that considering what really did fuck us up last season.
 
Listen if we win this thing. I will be licking all the curbs between here and the boozer, where I full intend to spend the whole day drinking Pepsi and eating crisps.
 
I dont know if any of you have read any of the Reading fan forum sites but Blackman is regarded to be to goal scoring what Margaret Thatcher was to good miners union relations, and regard buys such as him as the template for their impending relegation

ps we are safe from relegation now , which some predicted pre season , no names mentioned
 
I dont know if any of you have read any of the Reading fan forum sites but Blackman is regarded to be to goal scoring what Margaret Thatcher was to good miners union relations, and regard buys such as him as the template for their impending relegation

ps we are safe from relegation now , which some predicted pre season , no names mentioned

Thats because Blackmans crap at shooting, he could barley cut it in league 1 and is certainly not a Premiership striker
 
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Any thoughts on how much better his replacement is?
 

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