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This is from a QPR message board. It’s a sad indictment of the goings on of football in this country. It’s a great read.

It was always going to come to this. The actual death of an actual football club, played out live on Sky Sports News with Jim White yawping his self-indulgent drivel down the lens, standing in front of the obligatory giant countdown clock they usually wheel out when time is ticking down on where Alexis Sanchez is going to get his £500,000 a week from next.

I’d like to see a clock counting down to the day somebody shits in that guy’s mouth but, meantime, we’ve got ghouls dancing behind whichever Skybot it was who thought he might know where Gigg Lane is and was immediately dispatched to provide more coverage of League One in one afternoon than Sky, officially the league’s host broadcaster, has in five years.

It played out like a scene from Monkey Dust, all of it merely marking time before Sky felt confident they’d done it enough justice to turn away from the corpse and back to the real top story of the day – just who will take Manchester United’s next penalty? And, don’t forget, you can bet on who you think it will be on the omnipresent associated Sky Bet specials market.

When chucking out time came, the options had run out for Bury and they were shown the door. Expelled from the Football League after 134 years and two FA Cups at a little before midnight on Tuesday. They had no players, no money, they’d missed the first five matches of the season, and as of yesterday afternoon when the final interested party said it couldn’t proceed with a deal, no hope. We often joke, in our gallows humour way, about leaving QPR never to return, about doing other things with our Saturdays, about getting a life – but imagine if it was forced upon you. Imagine if there was no Saturday at 15.00, no Loftus Road, no QPR. That’s the life Bury loyalists are waking to this morning.

It could easily have been us, and our opponents in the League Cup this evening Portsmouth. We had the Chris Wright era of overspend and heavy consequences, a relegation into the third tier while in administration and with only six fit players on the books, a £10m loan at 10% interest from a dodgy company in Panama secured against our stadium, the Gianni Paladini era of haemorrhaging money rescued only by an unlikely takeover. We’ve been threatened with moves out towards Heathrow or, worse still, Milton Keynes – we were the sitting duck target for that move before Pete the Club Snatcher got his claws into Wimbledon. Death has stalked the corridors of Loftus Road more than once, and may yet again in the future. We could easily have been those supporters waking up to no football club at all.

Portsmouth have had it even worse. It started, as it so often does, with a ruinous chase of glory and Willie McKay clients under Harry Redknapp. There was a glorious promotion campaign, dramatic escapes from relegation, an FA Cup win, European football, and that Panorama episode where they filmed him talking about tapping up Blackburn defender Andy Todd. When the gross overspend caught up with Portsmouth, they became the first Premier League club ever to go into administration, and promptly crashed through four leagues, all the way to League Two, under a succession of chancer foreign owners, each looking to lick the final little bit of moisture from the rock before it slipped into the sea for good.

Both clubs got away with it, survived and recovered to varying degrees. Portsmouth were propped up by their large, vociferous support base; QPR by the ownership of a stadium on a prime bit of West London real estate. There was enough potential in both to tempt people to keep putting money in and giving it a shot – QPR with Briatore and Ecclestone, followed by Tony Fernandes and Tune; Portsmouth through a supporters’ trust, and later former Disney boss Michael Eisner. There have been countless other near misses up and down the Football League besides, at clubs large and small – at Bradford and Coventry and Leeds, Birmingham and Hull and Port Vale. Clubs flirt with death, come within a day of it sometimes, but get bailed out by a new, benevolent great white hope just in time.

Well, no more. Bury will not be the last, in fact Bolton may go the same way within a fortnight. The old joke about becoming a millionaire by first becoming a billionaire and then buying a football club was always true to one extent or another, but now it’s a stone cold fact. To own a British football club outside the Premier League now is to own a small, money chewing machine, into which you will continually feed cash for no return whatsoever other than occasional entertaining sights, sounds and emotions. It is extortionate enough just following these clubs around as a supporter, never mind being responsible for paying their bills. It is possible to run club’s sensibly and sustainably, as Accrington’s visionary owner Andy Holt does, but they and he are by far the exception, and he speaks on a daily basis about how impossible the sport, and those governing it, make it for him.

It used to be that you could develop local lads and sell them on to keep the club going. Then they introduced EPPP, a rule entirely skewed towards the top clubs in the Premier League, forced upon the Football League under threat of withdrawing the meagre scraps that get brushed down from the table. Anybody with a Category One academy can now take players from lower graded set ups with a minimum of fuss and payment, and throw them on the pile with the rest of the hoarded teens they never have any intention of using. Huddersfield, Wycombe, Brentford – well run clubs, forward thinking clubs – have all decided an academy isn’t worth having as a result, and closed theirs.

Now it’s all about signings. Signings, signings, signings. Twice a year, against that fucking countdown clock, and amidst a barrage of honked demands from online mouth breathers to “#announceRavel/Austin/Pele/Maradona”. If you’re not signing players you’re not doing it right. If you’re not signing players, you’re lacking ambition, you’re definitely going to be relegated, you’re a tightarse who doesn’t care about the club. Sign a fucking striker, sign one for God’s sake, anyone will do, never mind the quality feel the width. Said striker will be given five games before being written off, and then it’s time to sign another one. Kid you got from Millwall’s academy and tried to develop? Fuck that mate, seen him a bit and he’s lazy, 30 games is plenty to judge him by. Signings. Signings all the time. More money, more wages, more signing on fees, more Sky Sports news, more hashtags, more blood. Chew it up, spit it out, sign something else to replace it. And all of that costs money.

It used to be that you could get your little club promoted to the Premier League, and coin the riches in there, and you’d be set for life. That is still possible, just about. Burnley have done it expertly, Sheffield United are giving it a good crack – albeit with a Sheikh quietly litigating for ownership in the background. There are, in theory, FFP rules in place to stop one or two clubs simply blitzing the division with a £100m spend and cantering up to the Premier League on the back of a rich owner, as Fulham did under Mohammed Al Fayed. But, increasingly, those rules are slack and ignored. Middlesbrough, attempting to play by the rules and return to the top flight, have become frustrated by Derby, who are trying every trick in the book to spend more money than they should be allowed – including selling their own stadium, something UEFA’s FFP rules preclude but the EFL’s explicitly allow and encourage thanks to a change in the wording 18 months ago under the guidance of then CEO Shaun Harvey. We are now actively encouraging clubs to sell their stadium to fund more signings. That’s where we are.

So you can’t develop your own players, you’re under constant pressure to spend more money on more footballers, and you’re competing against clubs that circumnavigate the rules that you have to obey damaging your chances of getting to the Premier League which is the only way you’re ever going to turn a profit at a club. Who in their right mind buys football clubs in that situation? Well a mixture of nobody, which is why when clubs like Bury arrive at death’s door now they’re not going to find anybody there waiting to lead them away any more, or chancers looking to pick the pocket or change the will of an old, dying man.

Again, there are league rules to prevent shitehawks buying up historic community assets and running them into the ground. Again, under Shaun Harvey, they’ve been eroded and ignored. Bolton’s Ken Anderson, despite numerous previous bankruptcies, was allowed to takeover the club with “proof of funds” that boiled down to one loan, taken under punitive interest, that was due for repayment 12 months’ later. Both clear violations of the league’s own Fit and Proper Owner tests. In the meantime he was allowed to pay himself a salary of £500,000+ p/a and his son a £125,000 a year consultancy fee. His reason for getting involved in a club with £200m of historic debt with a short term loan of £4m entirely transparent, and yet waved through. Steve Dale, the malevolent owner at Bury, had been involved in liquidations at 43 of his previous 51 companies, and provided no proof of funds whatsoever, but was still handed the keys to Bury and allowed to build a promotion winning team the club couldn’t afford before casting it adrift this summer. Bury’s previous owner had been allowed to stack up debt leveraged against the ground, something else the league could stop but doesn’t. Players and staff at both clubs have been evicted from homes, and sought salvation from food banks, while all this has been going on.

The league, as it always does, mentioned the “integrity of the competition” in its final statement on Bury last night. By this it means fulfilling fixtures. League table looks a bit dodgy if one team has played six games and another hasn’t started yet. Actual integrity, as you and I understand it, doesn’t matter at all, otherwise men like Anderson and Dale wouldn’t have been allowed within a thousand yards of it. When pushed on this point the EFL likes to retrench to a position of basically being the competition organiser. Nothing to do with me guv, I just print the fixtures out, discipline Joel Lynch for his silly yellow cards, completely destroy the two cup competitions with Premier League U21 sides in one and farcical Facebook draws in Beijing at four in the morning for the other… that sort of thing. Even that, you would think, should require rules forcing clubs to file an audited set of accounts, on time, publicly, but no. For what he likened to, when put under pressure, a glorified secretarial role, Shaun Harvey’s salary went from £150,000 a year to £400,000 a year in just under four years in the job. A job that, really, he should never have been allowed in the first place, having himself led two clubs into three separate stints in admin when working as their CEO.

That cunt’s legacy will be the death of Bury, and others like them. It could easily have been us, and could easily be so again – QPR still loses money hand over fist and is still reliant on a rich owner to cover that.

Less a Football League pyramid than a shaky house of cards.
 

A terrific read and spot on. Football is a place for failed despots to asset strip another business and its supporters, not forgetting the impact on the local community - the only other place you would see this despotic behaviour of chasing the “gravy train” is ... the houses of parliament.
 
Interesting to note (something I didn't know about at all) that an employee of the EFL wouldn't/shouldn't pass the 'fit and proper' test yet he was employed to assist in overseeing it. Also I often wondered why Dale got involved with a club like Bury when in his own words the damage was done before he arrived, this article nails it perfectly (I have refrained from reiterating what this article highlights as put in my words it may stir litigation).
 
This is from a QPR message board. It’s a sad indictment of the goings on of football in this country. It’s a great read.

It was always going to come to this. The actual death of an actual football club, played out live on Sky Sports News with Jim White yawping his self-indulgent drivel down the lens, standing in front of the obligatory giant countdown clock they usually wheel out when time is ticking down on where Alexis Sanchez is going to get his £500,000 a week from next.

I’d like to see a clock counting down to the day somebody shits in that guy’s mouth but, meantime, we’ve got ghouls dancing behind whichever Skybot it was who thought he might know where Gigg Lane is and was immediately dispatched to provide more coverage of League One in one afternoon than Sky, officially the league’s host broadcaster, has in five years.

It played out like a scene from Monkey Dust, all of it merely marking time before Sky felt confident they’d done it enough justice to turn away from the corpse and back to the real top story of the day – just who will take Manchester United’s next penalty? And, don’t forget, you can bet on who you think it will be on the omnipresent associated Sky Bet specials market.

When chucking out time came, the options had run out for Bury and they were shown the door. Expelled from the Football League after 134 years and two FA Cups at a little before midnight on Tuesday. They had no players, no money, they’d missed the first five matches of the season, and as of yesterday afternoon when the final interested party said it couldn’t proceed with a deal, no hope. We often joke, in our gallows humour way, about leaving QPR never to return, about doing other things with our Saturdays, about getting a life – but imagine if it was forced upon you. Imagine if there was no Saturday at 15.00, no Loftus Road, no QPR. That’s the life Bury loyalists are waking to this morning.

It could easily have been us, and our opponents in the League Cup this evening Portsmouth. We had the Chris Wright era of overspend and heavy consequences, a relegation into the third tier while in administration and with only six fit players on the books, a £10m loan at 10% interest from a dodgy company in Panama secured against our stadium, the Gianni Paladini era of haemorrhaging money rescued only by an unlikely takeover. We’ve been threatened with moves out towards Heathrow or, worse still, Milton Keynes – we were the sitting duck target for that move before Pete the Club Snatcher got his claws into Wimbledon. Death has stalked the corridors of Loftus Road more than once, and may yet again in the future. We could easily have been those supporters waking up to no football club at all.

Portsmouth have had it even worse. It started, as it so often does, with a ruinous chase of glory and Willie McKay clients under Harry Redknapp. There was a glorious promotion campaign, dramatic escapes from relegation, an FA Cup win, European football, and that Panorama episode where they filmed him talking about tapping up Blackburn defender Andy Todd. When the gross overspend caught up with Portsmouth, they became the first Premier League club ever to go into administration, and promptly crashed through four leagues, all the way to League Two, under a succession of chancer foreign owners, each looking to lick the final little bit of moisture from the rock before it slipped into the sea for good.

Both clubs got away with it, survived and recovered to varying degrees. Portsmouth were propped up by their large, vociferous support base; QPR by the ownership of a stadium on a prime bit of West London real estate. There was enough potential in both to tempt people to keep putting money in and giving it a shot – QPR with Briatore and Ecclestone, followed by Tony Fernandes and Tune; Portsmouth through a supporters’ trust, and later former Disney boss Michael Eisner. There have been countless other near misses up and down the Football League besides, at clubs large and small – at Bradford and Coventry and Leeds, Birmingham and Hull and Port Vale. Clubs flirt with death, come within a day of it sometimes, but get bailed out by a new, benevolent great white hope just in time.

Well, no more. Bury will not be the last, in fact Bolton may go the same way within a fortnight. The old joke about becoming a millionaire by first becoming a billionaire and then buying a football club was always true to one extent or another, but now it’s a stone cold fact. To own a British football club outside the Premier League now is to own a small, money chewing machine, into which you will continually feed cash for no return whatsoever other than occasional entertaining sights, sounds and emotions. It is extortionate enough just following these clubs around as a supporter, never mind being responsible for paying their bills. It is possible to run club’s sensibly and sustainably, as Accrington’s visionary owner Andy Holt does, but they and he are by far the exception, and he speaks on a daily basis about how impossible the sport, and those governing it, make it for him.

It used to be that you could develop local lads and sell them on to keep the club going. Then they introduced EPPP, a rule entirely skewed towards the top clubs in the Premier League, forced upon the Football League under threat of withdrawing the meagre scraps that get brushed down from the table. Anybody with a Category One academy can now take players from lower graded set ups with a minimum of fuss and payment, and throw them on the pile with the rest of the hoarded teens they never have any intention of using. Huddersfield, Wycombe, Brentford – well run clubs, forward thinking clubs – have all decided an academy isn’t worth having as a result, and closed theirs.

Now it’s all about signings. Signings, signings, signings. Twice a year, against that fucking countdown clock, and amidst a barrage of honked demands from online mouth breathers to “#announceRavel/Austin/Pele/Maradona”. If you’re not signing players you’re not doing it right. If you’re not signing players, you’re lacking ambition, you’re definitely going to be relegated, you’re a tightarse who doesn’t care about the club. Sign a fucking striker, sign one for God’s sake, anyone will do, never mind the quality feel the width. Said striker will be given five games before being written off, and then it’s time to sign another one. Kid you got from Millwall’s academy and tried to develop? Fuck that mate, seen him a bit and he’s lazy, 30 games is plenty to judge him by. Signings. Signings all the time. More money, more wages, more signing on fees, more Sky Sports news, more hashtags, more blood. Chew it up, spit it out, sign something else to replace it. And all of that costs money.

It used to be that you could get your little club promoted to the Premier League, and coin the riches in there, and you’d be set for life. That is still possible, just about. Burnley have done it expertly, Sheffield United are giving it a good crack – albeit with a Sheikh quietly litigating for ownership in the background. There are, in theory, FFP rules in place to stop one or two clubs simply blitzing the division with a £100m spend and cantering up to the Premier League on the back of a rich owner, as Fulham did under Mohammed Al Fayed. But, increasingly, those rules are slack and ignored. Middlesbrough, attempting to play by the rules and return to the top flight, have become frustrated by Derby, who are trying every trick in the book to spend more money than they should be allowed – including selling their own stadium, something UEFA’s FFP rules preclude but the EFL’s explicitly allow and encourage thanks to a change in the wording 18 months ago under the guidance of then CEO Shaun Harvey. We are now actively encouraging clubs to sell their stadium to fund more signings. That’s where we are.

So you can’t develop your own players, you’re under constant pressure to spend more money on more footballers, and you’re competing against clubs that circumnavigate the rules that you have to obey damaging your chances of getting to the Premier League which is the only way you’re ever going to turn a profit at a club. Who in their right mind buys football clubs in that situation? Well a mixture of nobody, which is why when clubs like Bury arrive at death’s door now they’re not going to find anybody there waiting to lead them away any more, or chancers looking to pick the pocket or change the will of an old, dying man.

Again, there are league rules to prevent shitehawks buying up historic community assets and running them into the ground. Again, under Shaun Harvey, they’ve been eroded and ignored. Bolton’s Ken Anderson, despite numerous previous bankruptcies, was allowed to takeover the club with “proof of funds” that boiled down to one loan, taken under punitive interest, that was due for repayment 12 months’ later. Both clear violations of the league’s own Fit and Proper Owner tests. In the meantime he was allowed to pay himself a salary of £500,000+ p/a and his son a £125,000 a year consultancy fee. His reason for getting involved in a club with £200m of historic debt with a short term loan of £4m entirely transparent, and yet waved through. Steve Dale, the malevolent owner at Bury, had been involved in liquidations at 43 of his previous 51 companies, and provided no proof of funds whatsoever, but was still handed the keys to Bury and allowed to build a promotion winning team the club couldn’t afford before casting it adrift this summer. Bury’s previous owner had been allowed to stack up debt leveraged against the ground, something else the league could stop but doesn’t. Players and staff at both clubs have been evicted from homes, and sought salvation from food banks, while all this has been going on.

The league, as it always does, mentioned the “integrity of the competition” in its final statement on Bury last night. By this it means fulfilling fixtures. League table looks a bit dodgy if one team has played six games and another hasn’t started yet. Actual integrity, as you and I understand it, doesn’t matter at all, otherwise men like Anderson and Dale wouldn’t have been allowed within a thousand yards of it. When pushed on this point the EFL likes to retrench to a position of basically being the competition organiser. Nothing to do with me guv, I just print the fixtures out, discipline Joel Lynch for his silly yellow cards, completely destroy the two cup competitions with Premier League U21 sides in one and farcical Facebook draws in Beijing at four in the morning for the other… that sort of thing. Even that, you would think, should require rules forcing clubs to file an audited set of accounts, on time, publicly, but no. For what he likened to, when put under pressure, a glorified secretarial role, Shaun Harvey’s salary went from £150,000 a year to £400,000 a year in just under four years in the job. A job that, really, he should never have been allowed in the first place, having himself led two clubs into three separate stints in admin when working as their CEO.

That cunt’s legacy will be the death of Bury, and others like them. It could easily have been us, and could easily be so again – QPR still loses money hand over fist and is still reliant on a rich owner to cover that.

Less a Football League pyramid than a shaky house of cards.
A very heartfelt write.
 
This is from a QPR message board. It’s a sad indictment of the goings on of football in this country. It’s a great read.

It was always going to come to this. The actual death of an actual football club, played out live on Sky Sports News with Jim White yawping his self-indulgent drivel down the lens, standing in front of the obligatory giant countdown clock they usually wheel out when time is ticking down on where Alexis Sanchez is going to get his £500,000 a week from next.

I’d like to see a clock counting down to the day somebody shits in that guy’s mouth but, meantime, we’ve got ghouls dancing behind whichever Skybot it was who thought he might know where Gigg Lane is and was immediately dispatched to provide more coverage of League One in one afternoon than Sky, officially the league’s host broadcaster, has in five years.

It played out like a scene from Monkey Dust, all of it merely marking time before Sky felt confident they’d done it enough justice to turn away from the corpse and back to the real top story of the day – just who will take Manchester United’s next penalty? And, don’t forget, you can bet on who you think it will be on the omnipresent associated Sky Bet specials market.

When chucking out time came, the options had run out for Bury and they were shown the door. Expelled from the Football League after 134 years and two FA Cups at a little before midnight on Tuesday. They had no players, no money, they’d missed the first five matches of the season, and as of yesterday afternoon when the final interested party said it couldn’t proceed with a deal, no hope. We often joke, in our gallows humour way, about leaving QPR never to return, about doing other things with our Saturdays, about getting a life – but imagine if it was forced upon you. Imagine if there was no Saturday at 15.00, no Loftus Road, no QPR. That’s the life Bury loyalists are waking to this morning.

It could easily have been us, and our opponents in the League Cup this evening Portsmouth. We had the Chris Wright era of overspend and heavy consequences, a relegation into the third tier while in administration and with only six fit players on the books, a £10m loan at 10% interest from a dodgy company in Panama secured against our stadium, the Gianni Paladini era of haemorrhaging money rescued only by an unlikely takeover. We’ve been threatened with moves out towards Heathrow or, worse still, Milton Keynes – we were the sitting duck target for that move before Pete the Club Snatcher got his claws into Wimbledon. Death has stalked the corridors of Loftus Road more than once, and may yet again in the future. We could easily have been those supporters waking up to no football club at all.

Portsmouth have had it even worse. It started, as it so often does, with a ruinous chase of glory and Willie McKay clients under Harry Redknapp. There was a glorious promotion campaign, dramatic escapes from relegation, an FA Cup win, European football, and that Panorama episode where they filmed him talking about tapping up Blackburn defender Andy Todd. When the gross overspend caught up with Portsmouth, they became the first Premier League club ever to go into administration, and promptly crashed through four leagues, all the way to League Two, under a succession of chancer foreign owners, each looking to lick the final little bit of moisture from the rock before it slipped into the sea for good.

Both clubs got away with it, survived and recovered to varying degrees. Portsmouth were propped up by their large, vociferous support base; QPR by the ownership of a stadium on a prime bit of West London real estate. There was enough potential in both to tempt people to keep putting money in and giving it a shot – QPR with Briatore and Ecclestone, followed by Tony Fernandes and Tune; Portsmouth through a supporters’ trust, and later former Disney boss Michael Eisner. There have been countless other near misses up and down the Football League besides, at clubs large and small – at Bradford and Coventry and Leeds, Birmingham and Hull and Port Vale. Clubs flirt with death, come within a day of it sometimes, but get bailed out by a new, benevolent great white hope just in time.

Well, no more. Bury will not be the last, in fact Bolton may go the same way within a fortnight. The old joke about becoming a millionaire by first becoming a billionaire and then buying a football club was always true to one extent or another, but now it’s a stone cold fact. To own a British football club outside the Premier League now is to own a small, money chewing machine, into which you will continually feed cash for no return whatsoever other than occasional entertaining sights, sounds and emotions. It is extortionate enough just following these clubs around as a supporter, never mind being responsible for paying their bills. It is possible to run club’s sensibly and sustainably, as Accrington’s visionary owner Andy Holt does, but they and he are by far the exception, and he speaks on a daily basis about how impossible the sport, and those governing it, make it for him.

It used to be that you could develop local lads and sell them on to keep the club going. Then they introduced EPPP, a rule entirely skewed towards the top clubs in the Premier League, forced upon the Football League under threat of withdrawing the meagre scraps that get brushed down from the table. Anybody with a Category One academy can now take players from lower graded set ups with a minimum of fuss and payment, and throw them on the pile with the rest of the hoarded teens they never have any intention of using. Huddersfield, Wycombe, Brentford – well run clubs, forward thinking clubs – have all decided an academy isn’t worth having as a result, and closed theirs.

Now it’s all about signings. Signings, signings, signings. Twice a year, against that fucking countdown clock, and amidst a barrage of honked demands from online mouth breathers to “#announceRavel/Austin/Pele/Maradona”. If you’re not signing players you’re not doing it right. If you’re not signing players, you’re lacking ambition, you’re definitely going to be relegated, you’re a tightarse who doesn’t care about the club. Sign a fucking striker, sign one for God’s sake, anyone will do, never mind the quality feel the width. Said striker will be given five games before being written off, and then it’s time to sign another one. Kid you got from Millwall’s academy and tried to develop? Fuck that mate, seen him a bit and he’s lazy, 30 games is plenty to judge him by. Signings. Signings all the time. More money, more wages, more signing on fees, more Sky Sports news, more hashtags, more blood. Chew it up, spit it out, sign something else to replace it. And all of that costs money.

It used to be that you could get your little club promoted to the Premier League, and coin the riches in there, and you’d be set for life. That is still possible, just about. Burnley have done it expertly, Sheffield United are giving it a good crack – albeit with a Sheikh quietly litigating for ownership in the background. There are, in theory, FFP rules in place to stop one or two clubs simply blitzing the division with a £100m spend and cantering up to the Premier League on the back of a rich owner, as Fulham did under Mohammed Al Fayed. But, increasingly, those rules are slack and ignored. Middlesbrough, attempting to play by the rules and return to the top flight, have become frustrated by Derby, who are trying every trick in the book to spend more money than they should be allowed – including selling their own stadium, something UEFA’s FFP rules preclude but the EFL’s explicitly allow and encourage thanks to a change in the wording 18 months ago under the guidance of then CEO Shaun Harvey. We are now actively encouraging clubs to sell their stadium to fund more signings. That’s where we are.

So you can’t develop your own players, you’re under constant pressure to spend more money on more footballers, and you’re competing against clubs that circumnavigate the rules that you have to obey damaging your chances of getting to the Premier League which is the only way you’re ever going to turn a profit at a club. Who in their right mind buys football clubs in that situation? Well a mixture of nobody, which is why when clubs like Bury arrive at death’s door now they’re not going to find anybody there waiting to lead them away any more, or chancers looking to pick the pocket or change the will of an old, dying man.

Again, there are league rules to prevent shitehawks buying up historic community assets and running them into the ground. Again, under Shaun Harvey, they’ve been eroded and ignored. Bolton’s Ken Anderson, despite numerous previous bankruptcies, was allowed to takeover the club with “proof of funds” that boiled down to one loan, taken under punitive interest, that was due for repayment 12 months’ later. Both clear violations of the league’s own Fit and Proper Owner tests. In the meantime he was allowed to pay himself a salary of £500,000+ p/a and his son a £125,000 a year consultancy fee. His reason for getting involved in a club with £200m of historic debt with a short term loan of £4m entirely transparent, and yet waved through. Steve Dale, the malevolent owner at Bury, had been involved in liquidations at 43 of his previous 51 companies, and provided no proof of funds whatsoever, but was still handed the keys to Bury and allowed to build a promotion winning team the club couldn’t afford before casting it adrift this summer. Bury’s previous owner had been allowed to stack up debt leveraged against the ground, something else the league could stop but doesn’t. Players and staff at both clubs have been evicted from homes, and sought salvation from food banks, while all this has been going on.

The league, as it always does, mentioned the “integrity of the competition” in its final statement on Bury last night. By this it means fulfilling fixtures. League table looks a bit dodgy if one team has played six games and another hasn’t started yet. Actual integrity, as you and I understand it, doesn’t matter at all, otherwise men like Anderson and Dale wouldn’t have been allowed within a thousand yards of it. When pushed on this point the EFL likes to retrench to a position of basically being the competition organiser. Nothing to do with me guv, I just print the fixtures out, discipline Joel Lynch for his silly yellow cards, completely destroy the two cup competitions with Premier League U21 sides in one and farcical Facebook draws in Beijing at four in the morning for the other… that sort of thing. Even that, you would think, should require rules forcing clubs to file an audited set of accounts, on time, publicly, but no. For what he likened to, when put under pressure, a glorified secretarial role, Shaun Harvey’s salary went from £150,000 a year to £400,000 a year in just under four years in the job. A job that, really, he should never have been allowed in the first place, having himself led two clubs into three separate stints in admin when working as their CEO.

That cunt’s legacy will be the death of Bury, and others like them. It could easily have been us, and could easily be so again – QPR still loses money hand over fist and is still reliant on a rich owner to cover that.

Less a Football League pyramid than a shaky house of cards.
Absolutely spot on
 
This is from a QPR message board. It’s a sad indictment of the goings on of football in this country. It’s a great read.

It was always going to come to this. The actual death of an actual football club, played out live on Sky Sports News with Jim White yawping his self-indulgent drivel down the lens, standing in front of the obligatory giant countdown clock they usually wheel out when time is ticking down on where Alexis Sanchez is going to get his £500,000 a week from next.

I’d like to see a clock counting down to the day somebody shits in that guy’s mouth but, meantime, we’ve got ghouls dancing behind whichever Skybot it was who thought he might know where Gigg Lane is and was immediately dispatched to provide more coverage of League One in one afternoon than Sky, officially the league’s host broadcaster, has in five years.

It played out like a scene from Monkey Dust, all of it merely marking time before Sky felt confident they’d done it enough justice to turn away from the corpse and back to the real top story of the day – just who will take Manchester United’s next penalty? And, don’t forget, you can bet on who you think it will be on the omnipresent associated Sky Bet specials market.

When chucking out time came, the options had run out for Bury and they were shown the door. Expelled from the Football League after 134 years and two FA Cups at a little before midnight on Tuesday. They had no players, no money, they’d missed the first five matches of the season, and as of yesterday afternoon when the final interested party said it couldn’t proceed with a deal, no hope. We often joke, in our gallows humour way, about leaving QPR never to return, about doing other things with our Saturdays, about getting a life – but imagine if it was forced upon you. Imagine if there was no Saturday at 15.00, no Loftus Road, no QPR. That’s the life Bury loyalists are waking to this morning.

It could easily have been us, and our opponents in the League Cup this evening Portsmouth. We had the Chris Wright era of overspend and heavy consequences, a relegation into the third tier while in administration and with only six fit players on the books, a £10m loan at 10% interest from a dodgy company in Panama secured against our stadium, the Gianni Paladini era of haemorrhaging money rescued only by an unlikely takeover. We’ve been threatened with moves out towards Heathrow or, worse still, Milton Keynes – we were the sitting duck target for that move before Pete the Club Snatcher got his claws into Wimbledon. Death has stalked the corridors of Loftus Road more than once, and may yet again in the future. We could easily have been those supporters waking up to no football club at all.

Portsmouth have had it even worse. It started, as it so often does, with a ruinous chase of glory and Willie McKay clients under Harry Redknapp. There was a glorious promotion campaign, dramatic escapes from relegation, an FA Cup win, European football, and that Panorama episode where they filmed him talking about tapping up Blackburn defender Andy Todd. When the gross overspend caught up with Portsmouth, they became the first Premier League club ever to go into administration, and promptly crashed through four leagues, all the way to League Two, under a succession of chancer foreign owners, each looking to lick the final little bit of moisture from the rock before it slipped into the sea for good.

Both clubs got away with it, survived and recovered to varying degrees. Portsmouth were propped up by their large, vociferous support base; QPR by the ownership of a stadium on a prime bit of West London real estate. There was enough potential in both to tempt people to keep putting money in and giving it a shot – QPR with Briatore and Ecclestone, followed by Tony Fernandes and Tune; Portsmouth through a supporters’ trust, and later former Disney boss Michael Eisner. There have been countless other near misses up and down the Football League besides, at clubs large and small – at Bradford and Coventry and Leeds, Birmingham and Hull and Port Vale. Clubs flirt with death, come within a day of it sometimes, but get bailed out by a new, benevolent great white hope just in time.

Well, no more. Bury will not be the last, in fact Bolton may go the same way within a fortnight. The old joke about becoming a millionaire by first becoming a billionaire and then buying a football club was always true to one extent or another, but now it’s a stone cold fact. To own a British football club outside the Premier League now is to own a small, money chewing machine, into which you will continually feed cash for no return whatsoever other than occasional entertaining sights, sounds and emotions. It is extortionate enough just following these clubs around as a supporter, never mind being responsible for paying their bills. It is possible to run club’s sensibly and sustainably, as Accrington’s visionary owner Andy Holt does, but they and he are by far the exception, and he speaks on a daily basis about how impossible the sport, and those governing it, make it for him.

It used to be that you could develop local lads and sell them on to keep the club going. Then they introduced EPPP, a rule entirely skewed towards the top clubs in the Premier League, forced upon the Football League under threat of withdrawing the meagre scraps that get brushed down from the table. Anybody with a Category One academy can now take players from lower graded set ups with a minimum of fuss and payment, and throw them on the pile with the rest of the hoarded teens they never have any intention of using. Huddersfield, Wycombe, Brentford – well run clubs, forward thinking clubs – have all decided an academy isn’t worth having as a result, and closed theirs.

Now it’s all about signings. Signings, signings, signings. Twice a year, against that fucking countdown clock, and amidst a barrage of honked demands from online mouth breathers to “#announceRavel/Austin/Pele/Maradona”. If you’re not signing players you’re not doing it right. If you’re not signing players, you’re lacking ambition, you’re definitely going to be relegated, you’re a tightarse who doesn’t care about the club. Sign a fucking striker, sign one for God’s sake, anyone will do, never mind the quality feel the width. Said striker will be given five games before being written off, and then it’s time to sign another one. Kid you got from Millwall’s academy and tried to develop? Fuck that mate, seen him a bit and he’s lazy, 30 games is plenty to judge him by. Signings. Signings all the time. More money, more wages, more signing on fees, more Sky Sports news, more hashtags, more blood. Chew it up, spit it out, sign something else to replace it. And all of that costs money.

It used to be that you could get your little club promoted to the Premier League, and coin the riches in there, and you’d be set for life. That is still possible, just about. Burnley have done it expertly, Sheffield United are giving it a good crack – albeit with a Sheikh quietly litigating for ownership in the background. There are, in theory, FFP rules in place to stop one or two clubs simply blitzing the division with a £100m spend and cantering up to the Premier League on the back of a rich owner, as Fulham did under Mohammed Al Fayed. But, increasingly, those rules are slack and ignored. Middlesbrough, attempting to play by the rules and return to the top flight, have become frustrated by Derby, who are trying every trick in the book to spend more money than they should be allowed – including selling their own stadium, something UEFA’s FFP rules preclude but the EFL’s explicitly allow and encourage thanks to a change in the wording 18 months ago under the guidance of then CEO Shaun Harvey. We are now actively encouraging clubs to sell their stadium to fund more signings. That’s where we are.

So you can’t develop your own players, you’re under constant pressure to spend more money on more footballers, and you’re competing against clubs that circumnavigate the rules that you have to obey damaging your chances of getting to the Premier League which is the only way you’re ever going to turn a profit at a club. Who in their right mind buys football clubs in that situation? Well a mixture of nobody, which is why when clubs like Bury arrive at death’s door now they’re not going to find anybody there waiting to lead them away any more, or chancers looking to pick the pocket or change the will of an old, dying man.

Again, there are league rules to prevent shitehawks buying up historic community assets and running them into the ground. Again, under Shaun Harvey, they’ve been eroded and ignored. Bolton’s Ken Anderson, despite numerous previous bankruptcies, was allowed to takeover the club with “proof of funds” that boiled down to one loan, taken under punitive interest, that was due for repayment 12 months’ later. Both clear violations of the league’s own Fit and Proper Owner tests. In the meantime he was allowed to pay himself a salary of £500,000+ p/a and his son a £125,000 a year consultancy fee. His reason for getting involved in a club with £200m of historic debt with a short term loan of £4m entirely transparent, and yet waved through. Steve Dale, the malevolent owner at Bury, had been involved in liquidations at 43 of his previous 51 companies, and provided no proof of funds whatsoever, but was still handed the keys to Bury and allowed to build a promotion winning team the club couldn’t afford before casting it adrift this summer. Bury’s previous owner had been allowed to stack up debt leveraged against the ground, something else the league could stop but doesn’t. Players and staff at both clubs have been evicted from homes, and sought salvation from food banks, while all this has been going on.

The league, as it always does, mentioned the “integrity of the competition” in its final statement on Bury last night. By this it means fulfilling fixtures. League table looks a bit dodgy if one team has played six games and another hasn’t started yet. Actual integrity, as you and I understand it, doesn’t matter at all, otherwise men like Anderson and Dale wouldn’t have been allowed within a thousand yards of it. When pushed on this point the EFL likes to retrench to a position of basically being the competition organiser. Nothing to do with me guv, I just print the fixtures out, discipline Joel Lynch for his silly yellow cards, completely destroy the two cup competitions with Premier League U21 sides in one and farcical Facebook draws in Beijing at four in the morning for the other… that sort of thing. Even that, you would think, should require rules forcing clubs to file an audited set of accounts, on time, publicly, but no. For what he likened to, when put under pressure, a glorified secretarial role, Shaun Harvey’s salary went from £150,000 a year to £400,000 a year in just under four years in the job. A job that, really, he should never have been allowed in the first place, having himself led two clubs into three separate stints in admin when working as their CEO.

That cunt’s legacy will be the death of Bury, and others like them. It could easily have been us, and could easily be so again – QPR still loses money hand over fist and is still reliant on a rich owner to cover that.

Less a Football League pyramid than a shaky house of cards.

What was the username, Leo Tolstoy?
 
Dale might well be a scoundrel, but Bury were hours away from meltdown when he took over. Without him the club would have died at the start of the year.
 

It's ok though, the EFL chair has confirmed they will be 'looking at it'.
 
Pretty much validates my feelings on modern day football.

Nobody ever seems to cherish why our national game is so highly regarded across the world?

It wasn't the creation of the premier league.
It wasn't the branding of matches like Super Sunday or MNF.
It wasn't the invention of 24x7 football news.
It wasn't a squeaky, Scottish gobshite at Tottenham's training ground on deadline day.

It was around well before all that - Made & paid for by loyal fans that gave our national game life and soul.

Executive people involved in TV, Football Clubs & Governing bodies would be wise to protect the core values of British Football Culture.
 
I think this is pretty complicated to be honest

Steve Dale is clearly a dodgy geezer but it feels like the real villain came before in the ludicrous contracts handed out.

Hopefully the fans can buy / lease the ground and go again from near the bottom of the pyramid.

Bury is a town in decline unfortunately and they make take a very long time to get back to league 1, if ever
 
Is it only me that's not that arsed?

If this was us I'd just see it as another chapter in a lifelong shitfest. We dont support the Blades for glory, thank fuck.
We'd rise again. They will. Whats done is done.
 
I think this is pretty complicated to be honest

Steve Dale is clearly a dodgy geezer but it feels like the real villain came before in the ludicrous contracts handed out.

Hopefully the fans can buy / lease the ground and go again from near the bottom of the pyramid.

Bury is a town in decline unfortunately and they make take a very long time to get back to league 1, if ever

What is it specifically that makes you think Bury is a town in decline? It has a vibrant shopping area, a fantastic market, loads of good pubs and a few decent places to eat. Until yesterday, it had a Football League team within walking distance.

If you’d said Bolton, I would agree, even the football team moved out of town 20 years ago and the centre is a real dump these days, that’s not true for Bury.
 
Dale might well be a scoundrel, but Bury were hours away from meltdown when he took over. Without him the club would have died at the start of the year.

So you support his brand of unfettered and unregulated “entrepreneurship”?

Actually, don’t bother answering that.
 
So you support his brand of unfettered and unregulated “entrepreneurship”?

Actually, don’t bother answering that.

I didn’t say I did, I simply pointed out that Bury were fucked before he came along, their problems pre date him. What do you think would have happened to Bury in December 2018 if he hadn’t bought them?
 
What is it specifically that makes you think Bury is a town in decline? It has a vibrant shopping area, a fantastic market, loads of good pubs and a few decent places to eat. Until yesterday, it had a Football League team within walking distance.

If you’d said Bolton, I would agree, even the football team moved out of town 20 years ago and the centre is a real dump these days, that’s not true for Bury.
My comment was based on an article I read a few years ago TBF. The article was written when Bury played Stevenage in league 1 and the point being made was a comparison between the two towns.

In 50 years, Stevenage had gone from 5,000 population to 90,000 and Bury had gone from a population of over 100,000 to only 80,000. The implication was that these small but growing towns around London were taking the place of historic towns in the north, quite naturally because they were booming in the way that towns like Bury were 100 years ago.

As Manchester sucks people and fans into it's orbit, then towns like Bury, Bolton, Rochdale etc. are going to find it harder and harder to sustain football league clubs and the likes of Slough and Basingstoke will eventually replace them, through the largess of wealthy benefactors and growing fanbase.

Now I've reight cheered myself up
 
The sorry tale of football in England/ Wales since the Premier League was established.

The damage that Scudamore has done to the game.

We have some great threads on this very subject. In some of them I wrote about us being on the 'wrong side of the tracks of the gravy train'.

We are on the right side now and it all looks different over there.

We have to make it count and establish our place in the vulgar, horrible, anti-football/sport, the business 'club' called the Premier League.

It's sad and obscene what has happened to Bury F.C. and it could have been us if it had not been for our owners and their perseverance. Yes 'owners' in the plural.

We live in a capitalist society and the P.L. is the 'playing field' for the business, sorry the 'sport' we love, but used to love more.

What's happened to Bury is dagger in the heart of the working class in that town.

Football first, Boris and Trump next, bloody great machetes on their way. 'Business rules' and common decency and community are all done for the working class.
 
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It was pretty good but I stopped reading after the bit where he suggested that Boro were trying to get promoted fairly. Steve Gibson is a fucking hypocritical cunt who is only bothered about FFP now that he doesn't want to pour more money into his pointless little club. I didn't hear him talking about fiscal prudence when they were signing people like Juninho and Ravanelli.
 
It was pretty good but I stopped reading after the bit where he suggested that Boro were trying to get promoted fairly. Steve Gibson is a fucking hypocritical cunt who is only bothered about FFP now that he doesn't want to pour more money into his pointless little club. I didn't hear him talking about fiscal prudence when they were signing people like Juninho and Ravanelli.

They signed Ravenelli and Juninho in the premier league. In the last decade they've made a profit on transfers.

They've played well within the rules, don't see your point here.
 
I didn’t say I did, I simply pointed out that Bury were fucked before he came along, their problems pre date him. What do you think would have happened to Bury in December 2018 if he hadn’t bought them?

This is a fair point. Everyone says that Dale shouldn't have passed the Fit & Proper checks, but what if at the time the EFL came out and said he couldn't buy the club because he had failed the checks and because there were no other offers on the table Bury would have to be expelled from the league, fans would be in uproar saying "there is somebody who wants to save the club and the EFL won't let him"
 

This is a fair point. Everyone says that Dale shouldn't have passed the Fit & Proper checks, but what if at the time the EFL came out and said he couldn't buy the club because he had failed the checks and because there were no other offers on the table Bury would have to be expelled from the league, fans would be in uproar saying "there is somebody who wants to save the club and the EFL won't let him"

What's the point of having fit and proper person checks if they aren't implemented?
Same as FFP rules, which are circumnavigated regularly by cunning accountants.

It's all lip service.
 

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