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Billy Sharp's form this season has been incredible. We know that last season's debacle could have ended up being even worse had we not had his enormous contribution. However we need to think about things rationally.

Do we honestly believe that Billy will provide the answer for next season? Or, maybe, that we can expect him to score the same amount of goals?

His most prolific seasons have been in League One. I'm certainly not questioning his ability at Championship level; averaging roughly one goal in three is more than respectable. However, now, there are undeniable doubts: his age and lack of pace, less of an issue at this level, now stand against him. I worry that he won't be as effective at Championship level.

I have faith in him linking up with another striker, but what we have at the moment simply doesn't cut it. Clarke's played excellently without pressure (this particular hot streak coming against poor opposition), and his partnership with Billy has only really come to fruition late in the season. Then there's the fact that he's 32.

Similarly, Lavery, whilst showing very brief flashes of brilliance, for one reason or another hasn't developed much this season (possibly due to Sharp's presence and relative lack of injury, partially due to his own lack of match fitness). Let's not even discuss McNulty. Hanson, whilst his link-up play and touches have been excellent, doesn't I feel stand up to the remit required of a Championship striker.

What does this leave us with? A gaping hole up front, against a host of near-Premier League standard defenders. Of course, not all the teams we face next year will have players of that calibre, but I don't need to reiterate the standard of the teams we'll be facing.

I have faith in Wilder. This is a man who has had back-to-back promotions, and is on a steep upwards curve. He understands the dressing room, and what's best, seems to draw the best out of it. He and Knill have turned this club around, tapping into the untouched potential that this team has demonstrated. Let's not forget the incredible signings he's made, nor the terrible one(s), and how he dealt with that situation (Hussey).

I highly doubt Ched Evans has/will cost us a fee of £500,000. What is certain, however, is that we've brought back a very capable striker for a fraction of the cost of what he would have commanded had he not gone down. I'll admit, hindsight is a wonderful thing; his return this season for Chesterfield hasn't been up to scratch. I point out, however, that he has been playing for a side that has offered very little in the way of goal-scoring threat throughout the season, and when we played them away, he was the best player on the pitch for the majority of the time he was on it.

His wildly-successful season was compounded by the partnerships he made with quality players around him, and with the similarly-high-quality supply he received from the likes of Quinn, MacDonald and Williamson. I believe (as must Chris Wilder) that his quality remains; if there's anyone who can unlock that potential again, it's the man who seems certain to trounce the points record for this division in his first season managing in it.

What's more, he'll be surrounded by similarly, probably even more high-quality creators, in the form of Fleck and Coutts. The core of the team remains the same; we've just taken on a difficult but ultimately innocent name who can produce when backed-up by excellent players, which we have. Even the midfielders we had when we were in the Championship (and he played for us) weren't of the standard that we have now.

I'm genuinely interested to see who other would have ahead of Evans at this point. Who else fits the bill of a powerful, fast, technically-gifted striker and won't cost us a bomb?

Evans and Sharp is a tantalising partnership, and what's best is that it's come at a relatively low cost. Let's have faith in the management of the football team.

UTB.
 



Billy Sharp's form this season has been incredible. We know that last season's debacle could have ended up being even worse had we not had his enormous contribution. However we need to think about things rationally.

Do we honestly believe that Billy will provide the answer for next season? Or, maybe, that we can expect him to score the same amount of goals?

His most prolific seasons have been in League One. I'm certainly not questioning his ability at Championship level; averaging roughly one goal in three is more than respectable. However, now, there are undeniable doubts: his age and lack of pace, less of an issue at this level, now stand against him. I worry that he won't be as effective at Championship level.

I have faith in him linking up with another striker, but what we have at the moment simply doesn't cut it. Clarke's played excellently without pressure (this particular hot streak coming against poor opposition), and his partnership with Billy has only really come to fruition late in the season. Then there's the fact that he's 32.

Similarly, Lavery, whilst showing very brief flashes of brilliance, for one reason or another hasn't developed much this season (possibly due to Sharp's presence and relative lack of injury, partially due to his own lack of match fitness). Let's not even discuss McNulty. Hanson, whilst his link-up play and touches have been excellent, doesn't I feel stand up to the remit required of a Championship striker.

What does this leave us with? A gaping hole up front, against a host of near-Premier League standard defenders. Of course, not all the teams we face next year will have players of that calibre, but I don't need to reiterate the standard of the teams we'll be facing.

I have faith in Wilder. This is a man who has had back-to-back promotions, and is on a steep upwards curve. He understands the dressing room, and what's best, seems to draw the best out of it. He and Knill have turned this club around, tapping into the untouched potential that this team has demonstrated. Let's not forget the incredible signings he's made, nor the terrible one(s), and how he dealt with that situation (Hussey).

I highly doubt Ched Evans has/will cost us a fee of £500,000. What is certain, however, is that we've brought back a very capable striker for a fraction of the cost of what he would have commanded had he not gone down. I'll admit, hindsight is a wonderful thing; his return this season for Chesterfield hasn't been up to scratch. I point out, however, that he has been playing for a side that has offered very little in the way of goal-scoring threat throughout the season, and when we played them away, he was the best player on the pitch for the majority of the time he was on it.

His wildly-successful season was compounded by the partnerships he made with quality players around him, and with the similarly-high-quality supply he received from the likes of Quinn, MacDonald and Williamson. I believe (as must Chris Wilder) that his quality remains; if there's anyone who can unlock that potential again, it's the man who seems certain to trounce the points record for this division in his first season managing in it.

What's more, he'll be surrounded by similarly, probably even more high-quality creators, in the form of Fleck and Coutts. The core of the team remains the same; we've just taken on a difficult but ultimately innocent name who can produce when backed-up by excellent players, which we have. Even the midfielders we had when we were in the Championship (and he played for us) weren't of the standard that we have now.

I'm genuinely interested to see who other would have ahead of Evans at this point. Who else fits the bill of a powerful, fast, technically-gifted striker and won't cost us a bomb?

Evans and Sharp is a tantalising partnership, and what's best is that it's come at a relatively low cost. Let's have faith in the management of the football team.

UTB.
You think we will play 2 up front especially away from home ? I reckon it will be Carruthers behind a striker

We will need 5/6 strikers next season but we need one with pace and we haven't got one as yet. As for Sharp ? Will be played mainly at home I think with a partner. Hanson will be kept on for a target man option and the jury is still out on Lavery so we are still short in this area even if Evans signs
 
Sharp is a Championship player but we won't be able to rely on him alone to score goals. We're also not likely to see a repeat of having a Freeman score ten from wing back. Getting another goal scorer in the side is a must and there's only two ways to do it: you pay huge money like the pigs did for Rhodes, or you gamble on potential. We aren't going to be spending £10m on a player, so going with one like Evans who has the potential to do the business depending on a few variables is the only way.
 
Billy Sharp's form this season has been incredible. We know that last season's debacle could have ended up being even worse had we not had his enormous contribution. However we need to think about things rationally.

Do we honestly believe that Billy will provide the answer for next season? Or, maybe, that we can expect him to score the same amount of goals?

His most prolific seasons have been in League One. I'm certainly not questioning his ability at Championship level; averaging roughly one goal in three is more than respectable. However, now, there are undeniable doubts: his age and lack of pace, less of an issue at this level, now stand against him. I worry that he won't be as effective at Championship level.

I have faith in him linking up with another striker, but what we have at the moment simply doesn't cut it. Clarke's played excellently without pressure (this particular hot streak coming against poor opposition), and his partnership with Billy has only really come to fruition late in the season. Then there's the fact that he's 32.

Similarly, Lavery, whilst showing very brief flashes of brilliance, for one reason or another hasn't developed much this season (possibly due to Sharp's presence and relative lack of injury, partially due to his own lack of match fitness). Let's not even discuss McNulty. Hanson, whilst his link-up play and touches have been excellent, doesn't I feel stand up to the remit required of a Championship striker.

What does this leave us with? A gaping hole up front, against a host of near-Premier League standard defenders. Of course, not all the teams we face next year will have players of that calibre, but I don't need to reiterate the standard of the teams we'll be facing.

I have faith in Wilder. This is a man who has had back-to-back promotions, and is on a steep upwards curve. He understands the dressing room, and what's best, seems to draw the best out of it. He and Knill have turned this club around, tapping into the untouched potential that this team has demonstrated. Let's not forget the incredible signings he's made, nor the terrible one(s), and how he dealt with that situation (Hussey).

I highly doubt Ched Evans has/will cost us a fee of £500,000. What is certain, however, is that we've brought back a very capable striker for a fraction of the cost of what he would have commanded had he not gone down. I'll admit, hindsight is a wonderful thing; his return this season for Chesterfield hasn't been up to scratch. I point out, however, that he has been playing for a side that has offered very little in the way of goal-scoring threat throughout the season, and when we played them away, he was the best player on the pitch for the majority of the time he was on it.

His wildly-successful season was compounded by the partnerships he made with quality players around him, and with the similarly-high-quality supply he received from the likes of Quinn, MacDonald and Williamson. I believe (as must Chris Wilder) that his quality remains; if there's anyone who can unlock that potential again, it's the man who seems certain to trounce the points record for this division in his first season managing in it.

What's more, he'll be surrounded by similarly, probably even more high-quality creators, in the form of Fleck and Coutts. The core of the team remains the same; we've just taken on a difficult but ultimately innocent name who can produce when backed-up by excellent players, which we have. Even the midfielders we had when we were in the Championship (and he played for us) weren't of the standard that we have now.

I'm genuinely interested to see who other would have ahead of Evans at this point. Who else fits the bill of a powerful, fast, technically-gifted striker and won't cost us a bomb?

Evans and Sharp is a tantalising partnership, and what's best is that it's come at a relatively low cost. Let's have faith in the management of the football team.

UTB.
Evans and Sharp.

Tantalising.

Low cost.

Well I never !!

UTB

Ps Leon's done well in the last 5 games, Hanson has his fans, but is limited, Lavery is a complete unknown. What's NOT to like about an Evans and Sharp front two. Personally I think they could fire us to promotion.
 
Sharp has scored 15 TWICE in the championship.
He might be older now but he's in a better team with a much better manager.
God knows why we are writing him off already.

Who's writing him off? He last hit double figures in the Championship four years ago.

Nobody's doubting his ability.
 
You think we will play 2 up front especially away from home ? I reckon it will be Carruthers behind a striker

We will need 5/6 strikers next season but we need one with pace and we haven't got one as yet. As for Sharp ? Will be played mainly at home I think with a partner. Hanson will be kept on for a target man option and the jury is still out on Lavery so we are still short in this area even if Evans signs

If we're not going to play 2 up front, why would we need 6? How does Evans not fulfil the remit?
 
If sharp and evens fire us to promotion I will run naked onto the pitch. Some of you lot ARE going to get a serious wake up call next season. We are going to need a number of better players than we have got to get near the play offs. Your living in this seasons dreamland.
 
If sharp and evens fire us to promotion I will run naked onto the pitch. Some of you lot ARE going to get a serious wake up call next season. We are going to need a number of better players than we have got to get near the play offs. Your living in this seasons dreamland.
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UTB

Who's this evens fells !
 
If we're not going to play 2 up front, why would we need 6? How does Evans not fulfil the remit?
We have two transfer windows. Evans is a gamble and may never get fully fit. Lavery has not been fully fit for most of the season and had injury problems at S6.. Hanson will be mainly on the bench

That leaves us with Sharp and Clarke as potential 1st choice strikers. You don't think we need someone else ?
 
Who's writing him off? He last hit double figures in the Championship four years ago.

Nobody's doubting his ability.
Wednesday have 4 strikers all on around 30k a week (Fletcher probably more).
If you want to get in the top 6 of the championship you have to pay over the odds or get lucky signing a striker.
I personally think we've fell look with Sharp. He's already championship quality, add to that his drive, determination, his love for the club and his manager and I think he could possibly do just as well next season if we get a championship version of Hanson to play along side him.
 
We have two transfer windows. Evans is a gamble and may never get fully fit. Lavery has not been fully fit for most of the season and had injury problems at S6.. Hanson will be mainly on the bench

That leaves us with Sharp and Clarke as potential 1st choice strikers. You don't think we need someone else ?

I'm saying Evans is a great addition. I'm not sure where you've gotten the idea that I think we don't need anyone else from.
 
You say his lack of pace may hinder him in the division above. I cannot recall many players scoring for / against us purely down to pace.
 
Sharp has a bit of the Keith Edwards thing about him and there are some similarities.
Both are slow, both lack height and physicality an both don't have any tricks to create their own chances but BOTH were/ are fantastic finishers.

Sharp is the best finisher at the club and even with age he'll not lose that ability.
So regards Sharp it's simple.
Set him up, play the ball to his feet in the box an he'll still score plenty in the Championship.

However if his team mates lack precision passing and just cross it into the box or knock it into the channels then Sharp will struggle. Hence why Sharp struggled under Blackwell, he needs the right system.

Ched Evans at his best is definitely a better allround striker than Sharp because he doesn't neccesarilty need setting up, he can score goals from nothing and create chances by himself.
 
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Sharp has scored 15 TWICE in the championship.
He might be older now but he's in a better team with a much better manager.
God knows why we are writing him off already.

Agree, Sharp has never had speed, so he's not exactly getting slower.
Set him up and he'll score plenty in the Championship but we need to support strikers and midfielders who can make precision passes to set him up, that is the key.
 
Billy Sharp's form this season has been incredible. We know that last season's debacle could have ended up being even worse had we not had his enormous contribution. However we need to think about things rationally.

Do we honestly believe that Billy will provide the answer for next season? Or, maybe, that we can expect him to score the same amount of goals?

His most prolific seasons have been in League One. I'm certainly not questioning his ability at Championship level; averaging roughly one goal in three is more than respectable. However, now, there are undeniable doubts: his age and lack of pace, less of an issue at this level, now stand against him. I worry that he won't be as effective at Championship level.

I have faith in him linking up with another striker, but what we have at the moment simply doesn't cut it. Clarke's played excellently without pressure (this particular hot streak coming against poor opposition), and his partnership with Billy has only really come to fruition late in the season. Then there's the fact that he's 32.

Similarly, Lavery, whilst showing very brief flashes of brilliance, for one reason or another hasn't developed much this season (possibly due to Sharp's presence and relative lack of injury, partially due to his own lack of match fitness). Let's not even discuss McNulty. Hanson, whilst his link-up play and touches have been excellent, doesn't I feel stand up to the remit required of a Championship striker.

What does this leave us with? A gaping hole up front, against a host of near-Premier League standard defenders. Of course, not all the teams we face next year will have players of that calibre, but I don't need to reiterate the standard of the teams we'll be facing.

I have faith in Wilder. This is a man who has had back-to-back promotions, and is on a steep upwards curve. He understands the dressing room, and what's best, seems to draw the best out of it. He and Knill have turned this club around, tapping into the untouched potential that this team has demonstrated. Let's not forget the incredible signings he's made, nor the terrible one(s), and how he dealt with that situation (Hussey).

I highly doubt Ched Evans has/will cost us a fee of £500,000. What is certain, however, is that we've brought back a very capable striker for a fraction of the cost of what he would have commanded had he not gone down. I'll admit, hindsight is a wonderful thing; his return this season for Chesterfield hasn't been up to scratch. I point out, however, that he has been playing for a side that has offered very little in the way of goal-scoring threat throughout the season, and when we played them away, he was the best player on the pitch for the majority of the time he was on it.

His wildly-successful season was compounded by the partnerships he made with quality players around him, and with the similarly-high-quality supply he received from the likes of Quinn, MacDonald and Williamson. I believe (as must Chris Wilder) that his quality remains; if there's anyone who can unlock that potential again, it's the man who seems certain to trounce the points record for this division in his first season managing in it.

What's more, he'll be surrounded by similarly, probably even more high-quality creators, in the form of Fleck and Coutts. The core of the team remains the same; we've just taken on a difficult but ultimately innocent name who can produce when backed-up by excellent players, which we have. Even the midfielders we had when we were in the Championship (and he played for us) weren't of the standard that we have now.

I'm genuinely interested to see who other would have ahead of Evans at this point. Who else fits the bill of a powerful, fast, technically-gifted striker and won't cost us a bomb?

Evans and Sharp is a tantalising partnership, and what's best is that it's come at a relatively low cost. Let's have faith in the management of the football team.

UTB.

At the price we've paid for Evans, I could only see James Vaughan of Bury at a similar fee matching the style and impact that Evans might have. I actually thought we'd go in for Vaughan but Ched is still worth the gamble in my view.
 
Just a thought and nowt in it, but who's to say Leon will be here next season?

He likes a move and if any L1 club has been following him since he came back I'm sure they'd be a few willing to chuck a few hundred grand at the lad as we perhaps look towards Lee Gregory or Vaughan or some such.

Sharp-Ched-Clarke (upgrade)-Hanson (upgrade)-Lavery ( Ched/Sharp understudy)


Not even pre-season...'nuts in May' :)
 
Sharp has a bit of the Keith Edwards thing about him and there are some similarities.
Both are slow, both lack height and physicality an both don't have any tricks to create their own chances but BOTH were/ are fantastic finishers.

Sharp is the best finisher at the club and even with age he'll not lose that ability.
So regards Sharp it's simple.
Set him up, play the ball to his feet in the box an he'll still score plenty in the Championship.

However if his team mates lack precision passing and just cross it into the box or knock it into the channels then Sharp will struggle. Hence why Sharp struggled under Blackwell, he needs the right system.

Ched Evans at his best is definitely a better allround striker than Sharp because he doesn't neccesarilty need setting up, he can score goals from nothing and create chances by himself.

Sharp has a similar game to Kevin Phillips who was able to continue scoring well into his 30's
 
Sharp has scored 15 TWICE in the championship.
He might be older now but he's in a better team with a much better manager.
God knows why we are writing him off already.

I know it isn't like some people went and did that before is it?




Oh.
 
Ched Evans at his best is definitely a better allround striker than Sharp because he doesn't neccesarilty need setting up, he can score goals from nothing and create chances by himself.

Is he? I've not seen anything to suggest that in his time back at Chesterfield. Billy still scored goals even when the rest of the team wasn't functioning last season. Ched has one good season behind him with a previous price tag of £3m quid. I'm not quite convinced but if this is a Wilder signing then I have faith.
 
Ched Evans at his best was definitely a better allround striker than Sharp because he didn't necessarily need setting up, he could score goals from nothing and create chances by himself.

Fixed it for you. That was 5 years ago in a division below the one we'll be in next season.
 
Sharp has never had much pace . I recall a thread either on here or Bladesmad when Robson was manager debating whether he was too slow for Championship football.

I'd say he's exactly the same player now as he was then in terms of ability. He will have obviously learnt more but he will play as he's always played. Whether we get the Doncaster/Southampton version of Sharp or the Sharp we had under Robson will probably depend simply on how many chances we create.

As a side note I've seen some people bring up Sharps lack of goals at Leeds as proof he's no longer Championship quality. He played the majority of his time there on the wing and barely ever as a central striker. I've seen Leeds fans on Twitter this season saying they wish he had been given a chance up front.
 
We will sign another striker, I am sure. Someone young and pacey, with something to prove would fit the bill.

Not sure who we will shift out, other than McNulty and Done. Hanson?
 

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