Goals

[mattbianco1]

It would appear that David Weir - the person clearly more qualified than us lot on here, thinks we're ok.

http://www.sufc.co.uk/news/article/20130729-boss-encouraged-by-strikers-951534.aspx

 

[Revolution]

It would appear that David Weir - the person clearly more qualified than us lot on here, thinks we're ok.

http://www.sufc.co.uk/news/article/20130729-boss-encouraged-by-strikers-951534.aspx

That's a relief. Promotion and goals guaranteed then.

 

[mattbianco1]

That's a relief. Promotion and goals guaranteed then.

If he had said "we're shit and have no chance" would that make you feel better?

Damned if you do, damned if you don't on here

 

[alcoblade]

Porter isn't good enough, and it's settling for players like him that cements you in lower leagues. We will have to make do, because we're skint - I have no problem with that. But we're making do, of that there's little doubt. It takees more than a few goals in half paced pre season games to cancel out what's been witnessed over 2 seasons.

I'll be delighted if he proves me wrong, and given that he's likely to be one of our main strikers he has my full support, where it counts.

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[alcoblade]

Porter isn't good enough, and it's settling for players like him that cements you in lower leagues. We will have to make do, because we're skint - I have no problem with that. But we're making do, of that there's little doubt. It takees more than a few goals in half paced pre season games to cancel out what's been witnessed over 2 seasons.

I'll be delighted if he proves me wrong, and given that he's likely to be one of our main strikers he has my full support, where it counts.

UTB

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

Porter isn't good enough, and it's settling for players like him that cements you in lower leagues. We will have to make do, because we're skint - I have no problem with that. But we're making do, of that there's little doubt. It takees more than a few goals in half paced pre season games to cancel out what's been witnessed over 2 seasons.

I'll be delighted if he proves me wrong, and given that he's likely to be one of our main strikers he has my full support, where it counts.

UTB

I remember plenty of posters slagging off our Chedwyn a couple of Summer's ago, worst striker ever seen in a Blades shirt etc etc

 

[Revolution]

If he had said "we're shit and have no chance" would that make you feel better?

Damned if you do, damned if you don't on here

No, it's pointless quoting Weir - what is he going to say? His forwards are no good or unknown quantities but that there is no money for more because the owners will not let us spend up to our FFP limit? That's the truth, but he isn't saying that for obvious reasons.

 

[Revolution]

I remember plenty of posters slagging off our Chedwyn a couple of Summer's ago, worst striker ever seen in a Blades shirt etc etc

The difference is that Evans dropped a division and was surrounded with good players. Porter has been mediocre at best in this division for 2 years and has worse teammates.

If Porter gets ten goals I will be amazed, and if he's the sole striker we ain't scoring many.

 

[Guesty]

I remember plenty of posters slagging off our Chedwyn a couple of Summer's ago, worst striker ever seen in a Blades shirt etc etc

Two points on this though:

1) we dropped a level before Evans became any good

2) I imagine No-one feels bad about slagging him off previously.

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

The difference is that Evans dropped a division and was surrounded with good players. Porter has been mediocre at best in this division for 2 years and has worse teammates.

If Porter gets ten goals I will be amazed, and if he's the sole striker we ain't scoring many.

Two points on this though:

1) we dropped a level before Evans became any good

2) I imagine No-one feels bad about slagging him off previously.

The Ched comparison was 'tongue-in-cheek' so to speak but different (and more creative) team mates, different manager (and tactics) and a run of games could see a different Porter this season.

 

[Guesty]

Oh I absolutely agree with the point. I think (or perhaps just hope) that Porter will be much better this season, especially if our wingers perform.

 

[cooperblade]

This list is from the league sponsor so don't shoot the messenger for the glaring errors. Market is win only.

Top SUFC league scorer 13/14

Chris Porter 7/2
Lyle Taylor 4/1
Jamie Murphy 6/1
Shaun Miller 6/1
Diego De Girolamo 6/1
Jonathan Forte 8/1
Joe Ironside 16/1
Callum McFadzean 16/1
Ryan Flynn 20/1
Jordan Chappell 25/1
Kevin McDonald 25/1
Neill Collins 25/1
Michael Doyle 33/1
Harry Maguire 33/1
Danny Higginbotham 33/1

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

Oh I absolutely agree with the point. I think (or perhaps just hope) that Porter will be much better this season, especially if our wingers perform.

He's not the kind of player that fashions chances out of nothing as Ched did but as you say, if the wingers do their jobs and create the chances it's down to him. With the likely tactic of one up front, he may well only be warming the shirt for Lyle, time will tell but on the plus side, with Brandy's trickery, he's been reliable from the spot

 

[Revolution]

This list is from the league sponsor so don't shoot the messenger for the glaring errors. Market is win only.

Top SUFC league scorer 13/14

Jonathan Forte 8/1

Please tell me this is a clerical error and he isn't on the books.

 

[FleaPitBlade]

It’s come to something if, as a fan base, we berate footballers because they aren’t as good as we would like them to be. That’s all Porter appears guilty of.

A run of games in a side with wingers might help his goal tally.

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

This list is from the league sponsor so don't shoot the messenger for the glaring errors. Market is win only.

Top SUFC league scorer 13/14

Chris Porter 7/2
Lyle Taylor 4/1
Jamie Murphy 6/1
Shaun Miller 6/1
Diego De Girolamo 6/1
Jonathan Forte 8/1
Joe Ironside 16/1
Callum McFadzean 16/1
Ryan Flynn 20/1
Jordan Chappell 25/1
Kevin McDonald 25/1
Neill Collins 25/1
Michael Doyle 33/1
Harry Maguire 33/1
Danny Higginbotham 33/1

I noticed that the other day, yet strangely, Taylor is 33/1 to be the league's top scorer with Porter @ 40s.

Forte my arse, reminds me of the slips we get at the Lane which have consistently had the likes of Kabba, Hulse and more recently Miller as favourite to score the 1st goal despite being sat at home with broken legs etc

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

It’s come to something if, as a fan base, we berate footballers because they aren’t as good as we would like them to be. That’s all Porter appears guilty of.

Don't think so Presty, people are just judging him on what they've seen and the fact that he hasn't yet reached double figures in goals since he signed for us 2 seasons ago. Admittedly, he hasn't had a run of games due to injuries, was obviously behind Ched the season before last and everyone struggled last season which is why plenty are more optimistic at the moment.

 

[alcoblade]

The Ched comparison was 'tongue-in-cheek' so to speak but different (and more creative) team mates, different manager (and tactics) and a run of games could see a different Porter this season.

Yep, and I was bang on at the time - hence we were relegated despite paying him outrageous money. A division below he found his level and started to score - but unfotunalely raped a woman and left us high and dry once again, potless and stuck in England's third division.

If you were trying to find an example of me being proved wrong, then I suggest you've just missed the goal nand need to head off down the street to retrieve the ball.



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[FleaPitBlade]

Don't think so Presty, people are just judging him on what they've seen and the fact that he hasn't yet reached double figures in goals since he signed for us 2 seasons ago. Admittedly, he hasn't had a run of games, was obviously behind Ched the season before last and everyone struggled last season which is why plenty are more optimistic at the moment.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think he's the answer long term either but I do respect him as a footballer.
I've never seen him give less than 100%, never go hiding when others did, never moaned and moaped about when he wasn't playing and he works like an absolute Trojan every time he gets an opportunity.
Cant really ask for much more than that?!

 

[mattbianco1]

No, it's pointless quoting Weir - what is he going to say? His forwards are no good or unknown quantities but that there is no money for more because the owners will not let us spend up to our FFP limit? That's the truth, but he isn't saying that for obvious reasons.

In his first interview he said He needs to assess his squad and figure out the strengths and weaknesses.

Since that interview, he's brought in

Brandy - Pacey winger

McGinty - CB/LB (probably cover)

Johns - LB + LM/CM (again, probably cover)

McGinn - Holding, ball playing midfielder who will no doubt feature in the new formationof 2 holding mids with McD further forward.

Taylor - CF who scored 29 goals last term. Big, strong, powerful and fast

Coady - Another CM who knows how to pass the ball short and as we witnessed on Friday, defence splitting long balls over the top.

So due to him being in the job for less than 2 months and the fact that he's seen the faults and brought in 5 players to fill the voids. I'm willing to trust Weir and take on board his comments until he fucks up or contradicts himself. Only then will I change my views.

Has Mr Weir done something to make you not want to listen to him?

Also, didn't we just pay £250k for a player?

 

[mattbianco1]

This list is from the league sponsor so don't shoot the messenger for the glaring errors. Market is win only.

Top SUFC league scorer 13/14

Chris Porter 7/2
Lyle Taylor 4/1
Jamie Murphy 6/1
Shaun Miller 6/1
Diego De Girolamo 6/1
Jonathan Forte 8/1
Joe Ironside 16/1
Callum McFadzean 16/1
Ryan Flynn 20/1
Jordan Chappell 25/1
Kevin McDonald 25/1
Neill Collins 25/1
Michael Doyle 33/1
Harry Maguire 33/1
Danny Higginbotham 33/1

I'm gonna get on Diego - even though he's injured till the New Year. Reason being, his name sounds exotic and he's not Chris Porter

 

[Swanseablade]

In his first interview he said He needs to assess his squad and figure out the strengths and weaknesses.

Since that interview, he's brought in

Brandy - Pacey winger

McGinty - CB/LB (probably cover)

Johns - LB + LM/CM (again, probably cover)

McGinn - Holding, ball playing midfielder who will no doubt feature in the new formationof 2 holding mids with McD further forward.

Taylor - CF who scored 29 goals last term. Big, strong, powerful and fast

Coady - Another CM who knows how to pass the ball short and as we witnessed on Friday, defence splitting long balls over the top.

So due to him being in the job for less than 2 months and the fact that he's seen the faults and brought in 5 players to fill the voids. I'm willing to trust Weir and take on board his comments until he fucks up or contradicts himself. Only then will I change my views.

Has Mr Weir done something to make you not want to listen to him?

Also, didn't we just pay £250k for a player?

DW seems to have bought wisely and given us strength in depth for most positions, but what concerns me a tad is the lack of cover for McD.
He seems to have a vital role in the 4-2-3-1 (451 really) system and there doesn't seem to be much cover for him.
Not seen Coady but it sounds like he's an option - albeit a temporary one!
I mention it cos its not the type of role you can throw any midfielder into. Doyle for example, couldn't cope with it IMO.

 

[davidpinder]

Chris Porter says on RS that next season is a year of consolidation "love the confidence Chris" thats because he's been told he is starting as striker.

 

[United Aren't Back.]

Porter is a good striker. Hes a fantastic foil for the likes of Miller, Blackman, Taylor etc he works his nuts off, is not as slow as some make out and is fantastic in the air. He is our leading scorer in pre-season but this apparently counts for nothing. The stick this lad gets is unjustified and I dont know how its come about.

What exactly has he done thats so shit? I remember when we had Craig Beattie and he couldnt hit a barn door. He was therefore shit due to his awful finishing. What specifically is your problem with Porter?

He is utterly and completely useless, makes Chris Guthrie and even James washed up Beattie, seem like worldbeaters

 

[United Aren't Back.]

Porter should shave all his hair off and get some Tattoos , he just appears to nice to mix it with grizzly center backs.

Well it didnt work for an ugly c.nt like Kitson so why would it work for Porter?

 

[United Aren't Back.]

Fine, give him a chance. I'd have him on the bench ahead of Ironside every time. But it still doesn't alter the fact he's distinctly ordinary even at this level. And we have no recognised goalscorers even vaguely proven at this level.

One thing i don't remotely get is he "holds up play well for the other striker" in one breathe, then in the other "we're going with one striker up front"... ok so how does that work? he holds the ball up for himself?? Surely, in any sane world, if we play with one up front Porter is about the last person you'd want that one striker to be. Unless we suddenly expect McDonald to turn into Messi.

Thanks for talking sense. At times on here you would think we are worldbeaters in the making, Porter is league 2 quality at best.

 

[United Aren't Back.]

I remember plenty of posters slagging off our Chedwyn a couple of Summer's ago, worst striker ever seen in a Blades shirt etc etc

But Evans pulled his socks up as he knew that, being what he is, he was going down at the end of the season. Otherwise Evans was an utter carthorse where it mattered , the championship

 

[United Aren't Back.]

It’s come to something if, as a fan base, we berate footballers because they aren’t as good as we would like them to be. That’s all Porter appears guilty of.

A run of games in a side with wingers might help his goal tally.

Were you about when John Gannon was being booed? Compared to that, people ridiculing Porter on a forum means nowt.

 

[Jehovah]

He is utterly and completely useless, makes Chris Guthrie and even James washed up Beattie, seem like worldbeaters

And why is he utterley useless? Surely the definition of useless is someone with no purpose? Hes scored 3 goals in about 4 games. Is That pointless? Therefore I ask the question again. What is it you think is so shit about him?

 

[TC10]

From messy to Messi in one undemanding,non competitive pre season meander through the leagues.

Admittedly he puts the effort in and is a trier-sound like Cresswell at all?( but with a much worse scoring record)

I.m with Putney Blade on this one - time will tell and I fear the doubters will be proved right.