Goalkeeper

[elgoog44]

looks like a gobby git, which is perfect as Moore is too

 

[elgoog44]

 

[Booker4]

I wouldn't be surprised that due to the form of Eastwood that he'll be the number one for the start of the season and we'll just sign a keeper on loan for three months to cover Eastwood.

 

[Treeton Blade]

I wouldn't be surprised that due to the form of Eastwood that he'll be the number one for the start of the season and we'll just sign a keeper on loan for three months to cover Eastwood.

We`ll sign a number 1 IMO, Eastwood will be on the bench, I`ve been surprised with how accomplished he has looked.

Moore then to compete with whoever comes in, when he`s fit, and Eastwood out on loan if possible.

That`s the plan.

 

[Grizzly blade]

In friendlies Eastwood has done well, but of course it may be different when it means something and the pressure ramps up.

But he perhaps deserves a chance before anyone writes him off. We still need another keeper but it is a tough choice whether to chuck some money at it or plump for a shorter term loan.

 

[Booker4]

In friendlies Eastwood has done well, but of course it may be different when it means something and the pressure ramps up.

But he perhaps deserves a chance before anyone writes him off. We still need another keeper but it is a tough choice whether to chuck some money at it or plump for a shorter term loan.

I didn't see the Stoke game but from the brief highlights he seems good at shot stopping but punched away when he could have caught the ball? Admittedly it was a good punch but I'd rather see a keeper claim the ball than punch it away and inevitably back to the opposition.

 

[Bladezz]

I didn't see the Stoke game but from the brief highlights he seems good at shot stopping but punched away when he could have caught the ball? Admittedly it was a good punch but I'd rather see a keeper claim the ball than punch it away and inevitably back to the opposition.

I would disagree 100% mate. He had limited work to do so hard to tell but in terms of his performance he did exceptionally. He came for crosses, caught corners, kicked well. In terms of shot stopping they didn't really have anything of note on target apart from the goal.

Hard to say how good he is, but on the performance he looks to have a future career. It's the times when our goal is being peppered we can actually pass comment.

 

[Booker4]

I would disagree 100% mate. He had limited work to do so hard to tell but in terms of his performance he did exceptionally. He came for crosses, caught corners, kicked well. In terms of shot stopping they didn't really have anything of note on target apart from the goal.

Hard to say how good he is, but on the performance he looks to have a future career. It's the times when our goal is being peppered we can actually pass comment.

I did say from the limited highlights which only showed one Stoke cross and he punched it away. I have heard he does command his area to be fair. Moore doesn't always catch, preferring to punch on a regular basis. I prefer the Alan Kelly salmon leaping out of water claiming the ball! I do rate Moore don't get me wrong but it seems we see more keepers punching than catching, unless under no pressure.

 

[Bladeinleeds]

Eastwood looked solid enough but we absolutely shouldn't go into the season with a first choice keeper that hasn't played any first team football. Could prove disasterous.

Imo we should sign a first choice / one who will push Moore - after that I've seen enough from eastwood to suggest a l2 / conference loan for a season could do him the world of good.

 

[LJBlade]

I didn't see the Stoke game but from the brief highlights he seems good at shot stopping but punched away when he could have caught the ball? Admittedly it was a good punch but I'd rather see a keeper claim the ball than punch it away and inevitably back to the opposition.

Keepers are taught to punch the ball away these days. Managers/Coaches these days are terrified of a keeper trying to catch due to the slim chance that they'll drop it to an opposition players' feet.

 

[LJBlade]

Eastwood looked solid enough but we absolutely shouldn't go into the season with a first choice keeper that hasn't played any first team football. Could prove disasterous.

Imo we should sign a first choice / one who will push Moore - after that I've seen enough from eastwood to suggest a l2 / conference loan for a season could do him the world of good.

For me it's not so much of an issue going into the season with Eastwood as number one but nobody seems to be asking what we do if Eastwood gets injured. If Wilder thinks that Eastwood is good enough to start then brilliant but we can't go into the season with just Eastwood available.

 

[Booker4]

Keepers are taught to punch the ball away these days. Managers/Coaches these days are terrified of a keeper trying to catch due to the slim chance that they'll drop it to an opposition players' feet.

Aye I think you're right but I don't really get why even though yes they could drop the ball as you say. But in my experience punching the ball can go equally if not more wrong. If a keeper comes to punch the ball he's come off his line and then is out of position and it always seems that the punch goes straight to the opposition, or is that just me!? Classic example below from Long against Ryan Leonard ironically! Are we saying that Long can't catch that?! To be fair to Eastwood the one he punches that is on the highlights, he comes a long way to get to the ball and then makes a commanding punch. But so often it seems that keepers can catch but then prefer to punch.

 

[LJBlade]

Aye I think you're right but I don't really get why even though yes they could drop the ball as you say. But in my experience punching the ball can go equally if not more wrong. If a keeper comes to punch the ball he's come off his line and then is out of position and it always seems that the punch goes straight to the opposition, or is that just me!? Classic example below from Long against Ryan Leonard ironically! Are we saying that Long can't catch that?! To be fair to Eastwood the one he punches that is on the highlights, he comes a long way to get to the ball and then makes a commanding punch. But so often it seems that keepers can catch but then prefer to punch.

I'm not saying I agree with it, just saying how it is. I'd personally prefer to see a keeper catch the ball. They used to be able to, why can't they do it now.

On that video, the issue isn't with the punch, it's with the fact that none of our players were marking Leonard on the edge of the box. If someone was marking him they would've got the ball first and cleared it and the punch would've looked good.

 

[Jon Bon II]

On that video, the issue isn't with the punch...

Yes it is! He could have caught that ball in his sleep - or should I say any keeper worth their salt could. That's just one of the reasons why he's at Wimbledon now and is not being recalled as cover.

 

[Booker4]

I'm not saying I agree with it, just saying how it is. I'd personally prefer to see a keeper catch the ball. They used to be able to, why can't they do it now.

On that video, the issue isn't with the punch, it's with the fact that none of our players were marking Leonard on the edge of the box. If someone was marking him they would've got the ball first and cleared it and the punch would've looked good.

You're right that Leonard should have been marked but Long totally misjudged that and should be catching that ball all day long. As Jon Bon says, decisions like that is why he's at Wimbledon.

 

[LJBlade]

You're right that Leonard should have been marked but Long totally misjudged that and should be catching that ball all day long. As Jon Bon says, decisions like that is why he's at Wimbledon.

But as I say keepers are taught not to catch the ball while there's any sort of pressure. Long did his job and got the ball clear of the box, someone else wasn't doing their job which allowed a free shot at goal. If there was someone marking Leonard that video wouldn't exist and we wouldn't be talking about it.

Moore punched the ball out plenty of times last season, similar circumstances, similar result. Except we were better at defending and doing the simple things last year.

 

[Weasel]

We`ll sign a number 1 IMO, Eastwood will be on the bench, I`ve been surprised with how accomplished he has looked.

Moore then to compete with whoever comes in, when he`s fit, and Eastwood out on loan if possible.

That`s the plan.

And it's a very good plan imo. Sensible also to loan out thr young lad (with a short term recall option) to gain valuable experience. Hopefully long term, Eastwood can be a first team player but still a lot of development required before he can be considered as such.

 

[Booker4]

But as I say keepers are taught not to catch the ball while there's any sort of pressure. Long did his job and got the ball clear of the box, someone else wasn't doing their job which allowed a free shot at goal. If there was someone marking Leonard that video wouldn't exist and we wouldn't be talking about it.

Moore punched the ball out plenty of times last season, similar circumstances, similar result. Except we were better at defending and doing the simple things last year.

We'll have to disagree here mate re Long's decision making both in the clip and in my view all too regular. Long wasn't under pressure in that situation - he should have caught it. Yes there was only Southend player near him who doesn't even jump for the ball - he's stood still and then you've got Long flapping it out. Yes Leonard was unmarked but that's my point, when you punch it often doesn't clear the ball but it lands at the feet of the opposition as the defence is all too often sucked into the box.

I agree with you that keepers are told to punch more though as it seems keepers increasingly prefer to punch rather than catch these days. Moore also punches too much for me but he generally does punch the ball well and at least away from the danger area - unless it lands at the feet of the opposition.

 

[LJBlade]

We'll have to disagree here mate re Long's decision making both in the clip and in my view all too regular. Long wasn't under pressure in that situation - he should have caught it. Yes there was only Southend player near him who doesn't even jump for the ball - he's stood still and then you've got Long flapping it out. Yes Leonard was unmarked but that's my point, when you punch it often doesn't clear the ball but it lands at the feet of the opposition as the defence is all too often sucked into the box.

I agree with you that keepers are told to punch more though as it seems keepers increasingly prefer to punch rather than catch these days. Moore also punches too much for me but he generally does punch the ball well and at least away from the danger area - unless it lands at the feet of the opposition.

Leonard being unmarked in that situation is entirely the point. If he was marked he wouldn't have scored and the punch would've been a good one as it cleared the box. On the highlights from the Stoke game there's a clip where Eastwood does exactly the same, under arguably less pressure. The difference though is that we had players on the edge of the box who were able to close down the Stoke player quickly. As I've said, Moore did the very same several times last season, the difference was he didn't have McEverley playing in front of him. I'd also like to bet that there's many on this board who would absolutely hammer Long for his punch in that clip but wouldn't say the same about Moore if he had done the same.

We don't have to disagree because your main point is about keepers punching the ball, which I do fully agree with. I'm not sure if a 'punch' finds the opposition more than it does our players or if it's just that you remember those times a bit more, there's certainly a reason why the 'experts' are telling keepers to punch it more though.

 

[Booker4]

Leonard being unmarked in that situation is entirely the point. If he was marked he wouldn't have scored and the punch would've been a good one as it cleared the box. On the highlights from the Stoke game there's a clip where Eastwood does exactly the same, under arguably less pressure. The difference though is that we had players on the edge of the box who were able to close down the Stoke player quickly. As I've said, Moore did the very same several times last season, the difference was he didn't have McEverley playing in front of him. I'd also like to bet that there's many on this board who would absolutely hammer Long for his punch in that clip but wouldn't say the same about Moore if he had done the same.

We don't have to disagree because your main point is about keepers punching the ball, which I do fully agree with. I'm not sure if a 'punch' finds the opposition more than it does our players or if it's just that you remember those times a bit more, there's certainly a reason why the 'experts' are telling keepers to punch it more though.

I'm saying that you are focusing on a player been unmarked as the main problem. Yes that is a problem, but a keeper punching straight to the opposition when he should catch the ball is, in my view, equally a problem. I agree Moore does it too but I don't think Moore punching is good either. Just my view and I'm not a goal keeping coach.You seem to agreeing with me that keepers should catch more but then defending Long because its the defenders fault because they're not marking. Sorry if I've understood you?

 

[mosbolad]

Yes it is! He could have caught that ball in his sleep - or should I say any keeper worth their salt could. That's just one of the reasons why he's at Wimbledon now and is not being recalled as cover.

Absolutely....Of course the other reason being he can't be recalled till January.

By the way, Eastwood is a decent keeper and if we had been in League 1 he may have been used till Moore recovers. (just my opinion)

 

[LJBlade]

I'm saying that you are focusing on a player been unmarked as the main problem. Yes that is a problem, but a keeper punching straight to the opposition when he should catch the ball is, in my view, equally a problem. I agree Moore does it too but I don't think Moore punching is good either. Just my view and I'm not a goal keeping coach.You seem to agreeing with me that keepers should catch more but then defending Long because its the defenders fault because they're not marking. Sorry if I've understood you?

I'm defending Long, not the fact that he punched it. It was suggested that decisions such as that is why he's at Wimbledon, I'm saying that's not the case as other keepers, such as Moore do the same thing. I'm also saying that if the defender had done his job, as the defence has been doing for Moore this season, then that video wouldn't exist and you wouldn't be using it as an argument for why Long is at Wimbledon.

On the topic of keepers catching it more I certainly agree.

 

[Booker4]

I'm defending Long, not the fact that he punched it. It was suggested that decisions such as that is why he's at Wimbledon, I'm saying that's not the case as other keepers, such as Moore do the same thing. I'm also saying that if the defender had done his job, as the defence has been doing for Moore this season, then that video wouldn't exist and you wouldn't be using it as an argument for why Long is at Wimbledon.

On the topic of keepers catching it more I certainly agree.

I get your point more now mate but I'm not so sure that keepers are told to punch when they can easily catch - in my view Long can catch that ball comfortably. Yes there are times where running off your line to catch a ball is far riskier than running off your line and punching it but for routine catches I still see Moore catching the ball, whereas Long definitely punched too much for me.

 

[Sharrow Snuff Mill]

Alan Hodgkinson caught just about everything that came his way.

 

[Jon Bon II]

Absolutely....Of course the other reason being he can't be recalled till January.

Ha, didn't know that. Phew!

 

[elgoog44]

I'm defending Long, not the fact that he punched it. It was suggested that decisions such as that is why he's at Wimbledon, I'm saying that's not the case as other keepers, such as Moore do the same thing. I'm also saying that if the defender had done his job, as the defence has been doing for Moore this season, then that video wouldn't exist and you wouldn't be using it as an argument for why Long is at Wimbledon.

On the topic of keepers catching it more I certainly agree.

I get your point more now mate but I'm not so sure that keepers are told to punch when they can easily catch - in my view Long can catch that ball comfortably. Yes there are times where running off your line to catch a ball is far riskier than running off your line and punching it but for routine catches I still see Moore catching the ball, whereas Long definitely punched too much for me.

I think the whole punching versus catching, is more the adapting to the European game and the influx over the years of over seas Keepers, look at the top 6 teams in England, how many have an English keeper?
Over the years this as changed how keepers play and use the ball and punch versus catch, football is evolving all the time and some things for the better and some just seem to not fit how we remember it growing up, if you watch world cups over the years punching the ball was done by most keepers from quite early on except mostly English keepers now its just part and parcel of the ever changing game.

 

[Harrisblade]

I think the whole punching versus catching, is more the adapting to the European game and the influx over the years of over seas Keepers, look at the top 6 teams in England, how many have an English keeper?
Over the years this as changed how keepers play and use the ball and punch versus catch, football is evolving all the time and some things for the better and some just seem to not fit how we remember it growing up, if you watch world cups over the years punching the ball was done by most keepers from quite early on except mostly English keepers now its just part and parcel of the ever changing game.

And, I would say, a lot to do with these new-fangled footballs!

 

[Silent Blade]

Alan Hodgkinson caught just about everything that came his way.

Not in 1970-71 season

 

[Booker4]

I think the whole punching versus catching, is more the adapting to the European game and the influx over the years of over seas Keepers, look at the top 6 teams in England, how many have an English keeper?
Over the years this as changed how keepers play and use the ball and punch versus catch, football is evolving all the time and some things for the better and some just seem to not fit how we remember it growing up, if you watch world cups over the years punching the ball was done by most keepers from quite early on except mostly English keepers now its just part and parcel of the ever changing game.

Totally agree. I couldn't believe it when Man City spent all those millions on Claudio Bravo from Barca who hardly ever catches the ball! I knew he'd not do well here in England as I know him well watching Chile - been a massive 1/8th Chilean! Bravo is fine in Span where he plays almost as a sweeper but here with the crosses flying in at a regular basis he just looks out of his depth.

 

[Weasel]

Don't understand why any keeper would actively choose to punch the ball rather than catch it if they have the opportunity to do so. You catch the ball, you relieve the pressure instantly, and your team can push out and build again. You punch the ball, the ball remains active in play, and can realistically go anwhere - sometimes to a defender, sometime not. If the latter, you can be in big trouble defensively.

A good keeper should always try and claim the ball by catching it. Only if he's under serious physical pressure and struggling to get any contact with the ball should the punch option be chosen.

Drives me insane to watch multi millionaire keepers struggle to catch a fkin football. If they can't catch a ball they have no right being a goalkeeper. It's part of the job description and an important element at that. Joe Hart...another puncher under no pressure. Hence a crap keeper.