Give Monty a New Contract!!!

[LouTheBlade]

Reading on the Star website this morning that Monty is keen for his representative to get something sorted with the club. I think the whole Jamie Ward issue and having the same agent has delayed matters but they really need to sit down with Monty and his agent to get something sorted as his current deal is up at the end of the season.

We need to keep stalwarts like him. His first touch and passing can be slightly wayward from time to time but he gives us so much with his presence and combative style. I think he will be the club's next captain after Morgan and should be - fantastic servant to the club. Ive seldom seen him have a terrible game but ive seen him play out of his skin plenty of times. So important to have him around - just for his ability to take a volley in the gut from a Morgan clearance and not even flinch

I am definately one who thinks the world of him, even if I do close my eyes when he shoots

 

[Robbie]

Got to agree,

Monty is up there with the players who deserve new contracts (probably at the top of the list to be honest).

They/we should think ourselves lucky that we actually have a player asking for a new contract to extend his stay, rather than demanding more money.

I think a 2 year extension is reasonable for a player who won't be on a massive wage.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Are you assuming that the club don't want to offer him any deal?
Do you think that is likely for a 1st team regular?

I would guess Monty is asking for a new contract with a nice wage increase and the club think the wages are high.

It doesn't make sense that we are just flatly not discussing terms with a first teamer who is out of contract soon.

We certainly shouldn't break the bank if his wage demands are outside what we think he is worth.

 

[Torrix1889]

I would gladly give the lad a 5 year contract on £30K per week.......
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at any other club than SUFC. Get rid, waste of a shirt.

 

[LouTheBlade]

Are you assuming that the club don't want to offer him any deal?
Do you think that is likely for a 1st team regular?

I would guess Monty is asking for a new contract with a nice wage increase and the club think the wages are high.

It doesn't make sense that we are just flatly not discussing terms with a first teamer who is out of contract soon.

We certainly shouldn't break the bank if his wage demands are outside what we think he is worth.

No not as such. It just seems apparent that this agent has spent so long discussing Jamie Ward with KB that they havent sat down and discussed Monty yet. I would imagine Monty is asking for a pay rise and so he should. He's been a fantastic and loyal servant to the club and deserves a little more money.

I cant imagine he is on anything more than 3 to 4K a week (at a guess) and if thats the case he's easily worth 5K in today's terms. The important aspect is that he wants to play for us and is a proper Blade. They obviously offered Killa a slight improvement before he left only to be turned down by greed so why not use that money to give a loyal player a deserved raise?

Makes sense to me.....

 

[Blade58]

Reading on the Star website this morning that Monty is keen for his representative to get something sorted with the club. I think the whole Jamie Ward issue and having the same agent has delayed matters but they really need to sit down with Monty and his agent to get something sorted as his current deal is up at the end of the season.

We need to keep stalwarts like him. His first touch and passing can be slightly wayward from time to time but he gives us so much with his presence and combative style. I think he will be the club's next captain after Morgan and should be - fantastic servant to the club. Ive seldom seen him have a terrible game but ive seen him play out of his skin plenty of times. So important to have him around - just for his ability to take a volley in the gut from a Morgan clearance and not even flinch

I am definately one who thinks the world of him, even if I do close my eyes when he shoots

"I think the whole Jamie Ward issue and having the same agent has delayed matters but they really need to sit down with Monty and his agent to get something sorted as his current deal is up at the end of the season."

A bit confusing that because blackie came out a week or so ago and said that Monty has the same agent as Killa and that it has been the Killa debacle that had delayed talks with Monty. He also said that now the Killa issue is sorted, they can hopefully sit down in the next week or two and sort Monty's deal out.

 

[LouTheBlade]

"I think the whole Jamie Ward issue and having the same agent has delayed matters but they really need to sit down with Monty and his agent to get something sorted as his current deal is up at the end of the season."

A bit confusing that because blackie came out a week or so ago and said that Monty has the same agent as Killa and that it has been the Killa debacle that had delayed talks with Monty. He also said that now the Killa issue is sorted, they can hopefully sit down in the next week or two and sort Monty's deal out.

Oh it was Killa was it? I knew it was something regarding another player that delayed it. For some reason I thought it was Jamie Ward but I will take your word on Killa because I remember reading the same story - my apologies to all.

If KB says its now on the cards then im happy with that. UTB

 

[SwissBlade]

What sort of agents are we dealing with here?

Football really is a baffling industry, I'd love to see it revolutionised into a normal business.

In the Oil and Gas industry we deal with a lot of agents as its a contractor heavy industry so whenever there are deals to be done, the agent comes in and discusses all of his contractors on our books. This is normally done on a monthly basis.

Agents are a service provider for our company so its good to keep on top of these things well in advance. Footballers are providing a service and should be treated no different.

We call it a monthly meeting

Football and the way SUFC work in a way is very similar to a project environment, you have a budget for a promotion push over a set time scale so you bring in a project team for that period to meet the milestones.

Why is it treated so differently to any other industry?

 

[Robbie]

Why is it treated so differently to any other industry?

What other industry has a person been transfered from one company to another for £80 million?

 

[johnny wishbone]

sorry not good enough for me its fine if u just want someone to run all day but he just aint good enough especially when we have someone like williamson on the bench who is a far better player but thats just my opinion

 

[LouTheBlade]

sorry not good enough for me its fine if u just want someone to run all day but he just aint good enough especially when we have someone like williamson on the bench who is a far better player but thats just my opinion

Yes Williamson is far better technically and will score more goals, but he doesnt cover the ground that Monty does, he also isnt as strong as Monty and doesnt win as many tackles. Its the modern game and 'horses for courses' as it depends what you need and who youre up against. Thats why clubs keep squads of 20+ nowadays.

Monty is more than good enough and is important to us against certain types of opposition. Not every player can run 30 yards with the ball and curl a shot into the top corner, neither does every player need to.

 

[SwissBlade]

What other industry has a person been transfered from one company to another for £80 million?

I suppose this is the difference as their contracts are set up differently, they don't have notice periods and the rules of Football set transfer periods so they are restricted more.

But surely the fundamentals of contract management are (or should be) the same).

This would be eased if players had less power, this is perhaps down to the Union - the PFA.

Fortunately we have very little Union intervention outside the majors within the UK

 

[Robbie]

This would be eased if players had less power, this is perhaps down to the Union - the PFA.

I blame Chinny Hill

 

[boo radley]

sorry not good enough for me its fine if u just want someone to run all day but he just aint good enough especially when we have someone like williamson on the bench who is a far better player but thats just my opinion

But you should know these things. Aren't you the psychic from the
Isle of St Croix

 

[Bladesman]

Reading on the Star website this morning that Monty is keen for his representative to get something sorted with the club. I think the whole Jamie Ward issue and having the same agent has delayed matters but they really need to sit down with Monty and his agent to get something sorted as his current deal is up at the end of the season.

We need to keep stalwarts like him. His first touch and passing can be slightly wayward from time to time but he gives us so much with his presence and combative style. I think he will be the club's next captain after Morgan and should be - fantastic servant to the club. Ive seldom seen him have a terrible game but ive seen him play out of his skin plenty of times. So important to have him around - just for his ability to take a volley in the gut from a Morgan clearance and not even flinch

I am definately one who thinks the world of him, even if I do close my eyes when he shoots

Contract as half time serving staff will do.

Then if we are short on players ask him if he can play 15 minutes as a sub.

 

[Pinchy]

Give Ploddy a P45

Oh dear, oh dear.

I am, from time to time, accused of resembling a broken record in relation to young Ploddy. The Ploddyphiles, however, churn out the same misguided drivel every time and no-one turns a hair. How do you say 'fit, committed and tries hard' in a dozen different ways?

I have seen countless footballers, good and bad. With one or two exceptions the bad ones have at least some praiseworthy qualities. So it is with Ploddy. His dedication, fitness, endeavour and attitude are admirable. But these qualities are equally attributable to a long distance runner, mountaineer, deep sea diver...the list goes on. They are not footballing qualities.

The truth about Ploddy is that he runs around a lot, usually just out of reach of the ball, which is in the possession of a more gifted [i.e. the vast majority] opponent. He does this tirelessly but ineffectively. The better players leave him puffing and panting in their wake, but, no matter, he keeps going and the same thing happens again ad nauseam.

He dives into tackles. Occasionally he 'breaks up play' [he does this more frequently when we occasionally have possession by repeatedly passing to the opposition...or the stands...or the birds in the sky] by committing a foul or conceding a throw-in or corner. Very rarely does he win clean possession and, when he does, he does one of the things referred to in brackets above. Often he dispenses with even the pretence of attempting to do something creative when in possession and simply punts the ball aimlessly into the air in the general direction of forwards and up. It is not unusual, but bitterly amusing, for the ball to land some seconds later on his own head.

No amount of sophistry such as the ubiquitous 'does his job' or 'breaks up play' or still worse 'he's a Blade' will ever turn this young man into a footballer. Give him every credit for making the most of his crippling limitations but there it ends.

I'll now move on to his creative contribution to our team:

 

[Torrix1889]

100% spot-on Pinchy.

 

[Pinchy]

100% spot-on Pinchy.

By God that was quick Torrix!!

 

[Sensiblade]

Pincy
Why do you call him ploddy when he always pretty much does the opposite.
Monty tends to charge around the pitch closing people down, for him to be a ploddy he wouldn't do these this at all.
Ploddy is as far from a name i'd call Monty as if someone was to compare Johnathan Fortune to Usain Bolt

 

[LouTheBlade]

Everyone is entitled to an opinion, thats what a forum is for - but sometimes those opinions could be little more well informed

 

[sitwell]

By God that was quick Torrix!!

I would be worried if certain people were in agreement with me.

 

[Grecian2000]

I would imagine Monty is asking for a pay rise and so he should. He's been a fantastic and loyal servant to the club and deserves a little more money.

I cant imagine he is on anything more than 3 to 4K a week (at a guess) and if thats the case he's easily worth 5K in today's terms.

A couple of things here.

1) In the current economic climate when Public Sector pay is more or less frozen and many private firms aren't giving their staff rises, and when the club are desperate to cut the wage bill, do you really think any of the players "deserves" a pay rise?

2) Why do you think he is as little as 3 to 4k? I have no idea personally, but would have thought, having been promoted in 06, that all the players benefitted financially. Will the club have brought it down to this level when we were relegated? Will Paddy and Morgs be on similar?

 

[Pinchy]

Everyone is entitled to an opinion, thats what a forum is for - but sometimes those opinions could be little more well informed

What this forum was lacking was unwarranted arrogance. Now we have it.

 

[Pinchy]

Pincy
Why do you call him ploddy when he always pretty much does the opposite.
Monty tends to charge around the pitch closing people down, for him to be a ploddy he wouldn't do these this at all.
Ploddy is as far from a name i'd call Monty as if someone was to compare Johnathan Fortune to Usain Bolt

Firstly, although he chases a great deal he has no change of pace. He starts off slowly and maintains it.

Secondly, I thought Completelyandutterlyuselessy was a bit of a mouthful.

 

[LouTheBlade]

A couple of things here.

1) In the current economic climate when Public Sector pay is more or less frozen and many private firms aren't giving their staff rises, and when the club are desperate to cut the wage bill, do you really think any of the players "deserves" a pay rise?

2) Why do you think he is as little as 3 to 4k? I have no idea personally, but would have thought, having been promoted in 06, that all the players benefitted financially. Will the club have brought it down to this level when we were relegated? Will Paddy and Morgs be on similar?

1) I dont think footballers deserve a fraction of the outrageous wages they earn, but at the end of the day theyre getting it. My point is, if a dis-loyal player (Kilgallon) deserves a pay rise on top of already obscene wages, then Monty definately does.

2) I cant imagine the average championship player being on any more than that and Monty is in essence 'the average championship player.' if he was on a lot more than that United would have shipped him out a long time ago. As I understand it, most players' contracts have a percentage salary increase for promotion and decrease for relegation. I wouldnt class 3 to 4k as a little salary either.

Im just basing this on my knowledge of what the average player at this level earns as I still have friends in the game. Some people I know seem to think second tier players earn 7-8k a week! The vast majority earn nowhere near this, although they are still paid well. Thats why they all want to play in the PL because the difference in salaries is enormous!

I may well be miles off Grecian but its just an estimation. Im with you though generally on the 'deserved' increase.

 

[LouTheBlade]

What this forum was lacking was unwarranted arrogance. Now we have it.

Easy....I just thought some opinions were a little hard on monty thats all. If I offended I apologise. Im not the arrogant type but recognise my post would have come across that way.

 

[Grecian2000]

1) My point is, if a dis-loyal player (Kilgallon) deserves a pay rise on top of already obscene wages, then Monty definately does.

I admire the principle. Sadly the words principle and football don't go hand in hand.

In reality, in our present situation, we will offer a player the minumum we can get away with. Kilgallon was one of our better players and could easily get more elsewhere than from us, so he did.

I don't think Monty has the earning potential of Killa and consequently we won't offer him as much. I would think we would offer him a contract but not on vastly increased terms (and on your numbers 4k to 5k is 25% which is a vast increase to most).

 

[TonyAgana]

As a refreshing change to this age-old debate, I'm going to add a different question...

Why do we read a lot in the press about Monty's ongoing contract negotiations when the first thing we hear of Morgan's and Quinn's is that they've signed?

 

[Bergen Blade]

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2) I cant imagine the average championship player being on any more than that and Monty is in essence 'the average championship player.' if he was on a lot more than that United would have shipped him out a long time ago. As I understand it, most players' contracts have a percentage salary increase for promotion and decrease for relegation. I wouldnt class 3 to 4k as a little salary either.

Im just basing this on my knowledge of what the average player at this level earns as I still have friends in the game. Some people I know seem to think second tier players earn 7-8k a week! The vast majority earn nowhere near this, although they are still paid well. Thats why they all want to play in the PL because the difference in salaries is enormous!

As we're still struggling to afford permanent signings even after selling a lot of players for a lot of money, I think our average wage is quite a bit more than £3-4k.

Jihai, a Blackwell signing, was rumoured to get 22k, and 17k has been mentioned for Naysmith. We have many players around 30, most of whom have played Premiership football, and I fear that we are still paying them more than what is good for us. We shouldn't spend the income from selling young players like the Kyles on the short term wages of 30 year olds.

It's not very controversial to say that Monty should get another contract at 3-4k. But what if his agent demands, say 8-10k?

 

[sitwell]

As a refreshing change to this age-old debate, I'm going to add a different question...

Why do we read a lot in the press about Monty's ongoing contract negotiations when the first thing we hear of Morgan's and Quinn's is that they've signed?

Because an option was taken up by Utd ,I don't think the players had much say in it.