Get Wilder gone and stop the delusion.

[Upton_Blade]

With the team Hecky had at his disposal any of us would have got them promoted.

Utter horseshit quite frankly.

Wilson for instance had by far and away the best squad in the entire division in his 1st season and didn't get us promoted.

 

[Rudders]

Utter horseshit quite frankly.

Wilson for instance had by far and away the best squad in the entire division in his 1st season and didn't get us promoted.

Yeah Hecky had a good team but also showed excellent leadership to keep them all focused when the owner was farting about reneging on transfer fees, not paying suppliers etc. Folk shouldn’t knock that promotion season and he oversaw it.

 

[Upton_Blade]

Yeah Hecky had a good team but also showed excellent leadership to keep them all focused when the owner was farting about reneging on transfer fees, not paying suppliers etc. Folk shouldn’t knock that promotion season and he oversaw it.

Yep. His time with us is massively underrated by a lot of people.

 

[Slug]

With the team Hecky had at his disposal any of us would have got them promoted.

Rubbish.

Hecky would have got us up last season and also wouldn't have this season's squad chucking away 30 points from winning positions.

 

[ZLB]

Rubbish.

Hecky would have got us up last season and also wouldn't have this season's squad chucking away 30 points from winning positions.

Nonsense.

 

[Bladesince59]

Hecky twice the manager Wilder is

 

[CaptainMorgans]

I always liked Hecky.

Improved all of our players as individuals, saved the club, and somehow kept professional in poor circumstances. Wilder is incapable of the last part and possibly the first.

Not saying Wilder is without his strengths btw.

 

[Roygbiv]

I don't think he knows what he's doing anymore.

Self doubt or lack of self belief is the worst thing that can happen to someone in sport and Wilder must be well down the road of experiencing this now.

He hasn't achieved anything in management since he kept us up in the Premier League in 2019-20.

That was a brilliant achievement at the time but it was almost six years ago.

Pop psychology but I do wonder if his talk of "We're going on a journey" and "we'll get it right next season" is him trying to convince himself. He seems a bit unsure of himself and his trash talk doesn't seem all that genuine at the moment

I think we'll see once and for all next season where he is these days as a manager. You could put caveats on his last 6 years in management but realistically next season, he gets a full pre season and likely a top 10 budget. If we don't make the play offs then he will show he's just your average Championship boss and it's probably time to look elsewhere

 

[CornwallBlade]

Pop psychology but I do wonder if his talk of "We're going on a journey" and "we'll get it right next season" is him trying to convince himself. He seems a bit unsure of himself and his trash talk doesn't seem all that genuine at the moment

I think we'll see once and for all next season where he is these days as a manager. You could put caveats on his last 6 years in management but realistically next season, he gets a full pre season and likely a top 10 budget. If we don't make the play offs then he will show he's just your average Championship boss and it's probably time to look elsewhere

Or, he’ll have a Keegan moment and realise that he isn’t the Messiah and walk “for the good of his beautiful club”. Unlikely I know but a) he’ll never have to work again and b) will know that he has 10 games max next season or he’ll be sacked. His ego won’t stand for that scenario.

 

[jt64]

I think folk need to remember where the USA was in 2016.

It was about 3,000 miles west of us, same as now

 

[Keen Blade]

There are owner directors and employee directors. Bettis is an employee. As for being equal, he not listed as being a PSC on any of the FC, Blades Leisure or COH Sports Bidco.

Cheers ,
I realise Bettis is nowhere near a PSC , he's a paid CEO who's been given a seat on the board.
My point was , why should he feel threatened by a DoF ?
Who would be just another employee , given the colloquial title of Director (and maybe a seat on the board).
In my mind the DoF would be responsible for everything on the "football" side (especially recruitment which has been a shambles recently) and the head coach would run the all-consuming day to day team & match matters.
I just think the old-style Manager job is too big these days for one man , and I'm not sure whether Alan Knill is contributing much.
The CEO can look after "everything that isn't directly football-related" , the development at Dore , the business issues , the budgets & accounts , the management of our various land assets etc etc.
Anyway , these are just my idle blue-sky thoughts about what to do when the club moves beyond Wilder ,
Which - from Rosen soundbites - appears to ages away.

 

[VonBrysonsExpress]

No exhaustive insights, I just think for the good of the club and the direction we need over the next few years wilder needs to go. No animosity, we just need something different even if it means some initial pain whilst we discover what we're going to be next.

 

[Matlock Blade]

We can't stick with wilder for ever. He seems to be saying in interviews that the next manager also needs to be an exblade and "get the club." Did Lampard ever have any past connections with Coventry?

 

[Blade In Flame]

He was indeed.

The fact is we succeed with the types of managers we do as we simply don't have the structure off the pitch to support a "Head Coach" rather than an old style "Manager".

Until that aspect of the club is sorted we'll continue to be absolutely bang average barring a few years where we over achieve.

Yep, a complete restructure off the pitch to maintain a Head Coach Culture. Just look how high Watford are flying with the same. No, not Watford, I mean.... Portsmouth! Yes that's it, Portsmouth. No, not Portsmouth, that other team with the head coach and the fancy back room staff, er... Swansea! No, er.... Leicester? Blackburn? Anyway, Yeah, worldbeaters, head coaches, whoo whoo, let's go HC's..

 

[Davalon]

We can't stick with wilder for ever. He seems to be saying in interviews that the next manager also needs to be an exblade and "get the club." Did Lampard ever have any past connections with Coventry?

Such a depressing mentality but sadly too many fans perpetuate it.

You just know that loads would rather Billy Sharp take over in the summer rather than an experienced Championship manager with no connection to the club.

 

[SouthStandGBlock]

Just looked it up. Since 1988 we've had six promotions - and 22 managers (plus short term managers). In all that time and with all those managers only Bassett, Warnock and Wilder have got us promoted - and Bassett and Wilder did it repeatedly. 19 other managers did nowt.
That's not coincidence.

I suppose the promotion under Hecky didn't count.

 

[SouthStandGBlock]

Agreed I think another factor on that is cost, not saying this is the money paid out but makes it easier to explain. If you had £100 for your management, you could spend the full £100 and get a DoF for £70 and a fresh thinking head coach for £30. Or you could get an “old school manager” for £75 saving you £25, which is the option we are stuck with.

Although I appreciate this is another elite level when you look at Chelsea they have a Director of performance who looks after the fitness requirements for the club that they have from academy through to first team, including sprinting coaches, sports science and data analytics etc along with a host of others. Unless we stuck Wilder up into DoF post and promoted one of the current assistant coaches into the head coach role, it wouldn’t be possible without investment.

Good point, but Chelsea lost over £400m last season and still didn't win anything.

 

[SouthStandGBlock]

I wanted him out at the end of last season, and that happened but they picked the wrong bloke.

I'd stick with him now for next season, but with my finger over the eject button from late September onwards.

He needs to sort out the players fitness. They all look shagged out in the second half. Every week.

He also needs to stop with the subs bang on 60 minutes - it's soooooo predictable.

And the straight like for like swaps.

At the moment he may as well set the team up, watch the kick off, go home, then leave instructions for Knill.

At least it would give Knill something to do, as he looks like he's stealing a living to me. I can't see anything Knill does or how he influences Wilder to change the game. It's the same every week.

 

[Barnette]

If CW loves the club as much as he says he does I think he needs to take a long, hard, honest look at himself and evaluate if he really is the best person to take us forward.

Streadying the ship is one thing but taking is forward is another.

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

I don't think he knows what he's doing anymore.

Self doubt or lack of self belief is the worst thing that can happen to someone in sport and Wilder must be well down the road of experiencing this now.

He hasn't achieved anything in management since he kept us up in the Premier League in 2019-20.

That was a brilliant achievement at the time but it was almost six years ago.

Said this on the wall home yesterday. The Davies at LH sub to counter them attacking Burrows smacked of confusion and panic. As much as he (rightly) hammers the players for panicking when it gets put on them, he too shits the bed in the last 30 mins with some frankly baffling changes.

Yesterday he switched to a 4-4-2 as CoH was totally ineffective as a No10 - which resulted in our best period. However, having CoH and Hamer as the wide players meant we were essentially Selles-esque in openness. Throw in taking Riedeweld off too, and Wilder completely messed up that last 20 mins personnel wise.

So as much as he likes to hammer the players, he needs to look in the mirror too...

 

[Balham]

So as much as he likes to hammer the players, he needs to look in the mirror too...

No chance. Too many sycophants around him telling him that it’s not his squad (it is), we just need a preseason (we’ve had three international breaks) and it’s down to individual players’ decisions.

He seemingly still hasn’t figured out that opposition coaches in the Championship are providing their players with dossiers on our players’ strengths and weaknesses while we’re off down the pub.

 

[Rufus Smalls]

Pop psychology but I do wonder if his talk of "We're going on a journey" and "we'll get it right next season" is him trying to convince himself. He seems a bit unsure of himself and his trash talk doesn't seem all that genuine at the moment

I think we'll see once and for all next season where he is these days as a manager. You could put caveats on his last 6 years in management but realistically next season, he gets a full pre season and likely a top 10 budget. If we don't make the play offs then he will show he's just your average Championship boss and it's probably time to look elsewhere

I think most of us will know the answer now, and then another 6 months will be wasted on building any sort of structure to our failing club. Then add another pay off to Wilder in the list of those failings too.

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

No chance. Too many sycophants around him telling him that it’s not his squad (it is), we just need a preseason (we’ve had three international breaks) and it’s down to individual players’ decisions.

He seemingly still hasn’t figured out that opposition coaches in the Championship are providing their players with dossiers on our players’ strengths and weaknesses while we’re off down the pub.

Spot on. I'm a barely average U14's football coach, but even I could set up a team to play us.

Press the CBs as neither are comfortable on the ball, play with a high line as they don't have the pace to trouble us in behind, then wait til the last 30 mins when the two fullbacks get tired and start making really poor choices/switch off. As we saw yesterday, even a two goal headstart isn't enough to overcome those deficiencies....

 

[SheepdipBlade]

I suppose the promotion under Hecky didn't count.

See post 167. I refer the gentleman to my earlier answer.

 

[Bladesman]

With the team Hecky had at his disposal any of us would have got them promoted.

True but then his methods of training meant he had half the squad injured at any given time. Self inflicted to some degree but he did well to get us up with those injury issues.

 

[ancientblade]

the simple truth is that wilder isnt going to do owt here this time round like he didnt at boro and watford hes had his glory years we need a younger manager

 

[ATL Recs]

I think one thing people are being mistaken on here is what Wilder is good at.

Next season, we won't have top dollar to spend. This is the arena he comes into his own.

Next season is a Wilder type of season unfortunately, without someone with grit and pashion we could come seriously unstuck and we cannot afford to do that if the pigs manage to get taken over by someone with a bit of cash behind them.

Your gauging his coming into his own on his Div 1 build not Championship Those two seasons in the championship it was mainly tinkering with what we had
No funds reduced wages bottom 6 next year
He struck gold once it isnt going to happen again

 

[The Fox]

Every football supporter wants success , whatever that means to different clubs however at the bare minimum football should give you hope , entertainment, and excitement .

We had that for a couple of months before returning to being dull , predictable and frustrating.

I'll be there next season and always regardless but if we stay with CW /AK I'm expecting much of the same, it wont change.

 

[The Crab]

Such a depressing mentality but sadly too many fans perpetuate it.

You just know that loads would rather Billy Sharp take over in the summer rather than an experienced Championship manager with no connection to the club.

The events of last summer may well have made the owners more risk averse. With that in mind, I think they will keep Wilder.

Whatever our opinions are, after the disastrous start to the season the remit was met. We might or not agree with the methodology ( I don’t for sure) but we are still in the division.

Whilst I’d prefer to see a manager change at the end of the season, that on its own isn’t going to solve the problem. There are wider issues at the club that also need addressing, issues with the infrastructure that need addressing. We can’t keep going with the parochial “it’ll do” attitude, patching metaphorical potholes when what’s really needed is a new road.

But I fear I am just shouting at traffic, and it’s becoming pretty tiresome. Like a marriage that you keep going “just because” rather than admitting it just isn’t the same.

Football has always been my release from whatever the stresses and strains of life are. These days, not so much

 

[Danetheblade]

The events of last summer may well have made the owners more risk averse. With that in mind, I think they will keep Wilder.

Whatever our opinions are, after the disastrous start to the season the remit was met. We might or not agree with the methodology ( I don’t for sure) but we are still in the division.

Whilst I’d prefer to see a manager change at the end of the season, that on its own isn’t going to solve the problem. There are wider issues at the club that also need addressing, issues with the infrastructure that need addressing. We can’t keep going with the parochial “it’ll do” attitude, patching metaphorical potholes when what’s really needed is a new road.

But I fear I am just shouting at traffic, and it’s becoming pretty tiresome. Like a marriage that you keep going “just because” rather than admitting it just isn’t the same.

Football has always been my release from whatever the stresses and strains of life are. These days, not so much

Likewise the feelings Crab.

The owners won’t get shut after their first attempt of replacing him so I fear it’s a “strap in” kind of season, I’ve lost almost all interest in football after the past two years so I think it’ll be me done. Can’t be bothered with the dourness.

One question I’d ask everyone, if this was any other manager, would you be happy with the results/way of play/rates of capitulation/signings made?

These are Wilders players, he can try and pull the wool over folks eyes regards it not being a tactical issue, but this is the second season in which we’ve pissed games away over and over again.