Get Warnock in

[Pinchy]

Not being snooty. Just reminding those that get moist in the pants about Swansea that they're in the same division as Stoke.

Stoke = who Pinch somehow manages to describe as a side that aren't direct. Have another go at that one Pinchy, it always raises a smile.

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Here, have a pig's head.....

 

[Guesty]

I must say I'm with you on Cricket Alco. I recall a line spoken by the great Malcolm Tucker:

'Cricket? That's the English equivalent of Sport, isn't it?'.

 

[Swanseablade]

Do proponents of up and at 'em want to see every ball pumped into the box or just want the game to be mixed up a bit?

Typically, as a side shows how it should be done, relatively speaking, and there's a reason why they are the exception to the rule.

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Bradford are doing well.
Wells & Kyle Reid look decent players. There is pukka winger that we sadly don't have.
I could watch that "old fashioned" style of football......

I think the whole thing about Swansea is a bit exaggerated sometimes. They've done well no doubt, but the one and only time I saw them at home (without United being there) they played far from attacking football. Massive keep ball. They do get the "boring boring Swansea" chants from the opposition fans...

 

[Pinchy]

Bradford are doing well.
Wells & Kyle Reid look decent players. There is pukka winger that we sadly don't have.
I could watch that "old fashioned" style of football......

I think the whole thing about Swansea is a bit exaggerated sometimes. They've done well no doubt, but the one and only time I saw them at home (without United being there) they played far from attacking football. Massive keep ball. They do get the "boring boring Swansea" chants from the opposition fans...

They passed it into the net plenty of times when winning a trophy this season!

 

[Dkc]

"Looking back, nor forward" Living in the past" etc. I wish people wouldn't trundle out these tired old cliches as the reason that we can's appoint the most successful lower-league manager of recent times.

Sometimes, a manager / player returning to his former club works out. Sometimes it doesn't. I doubt many Bournemouth fans think they were "looking back, not forward" when re-appointing Eddy Howe. The situation needs to be looked at objectively.

The fact is, that Warnock grates on a lot of people (including McCabe). But if it were purely and simply the interests of the club we're talking about, and not massaging people's egos, the get him back in and give him a free rein. He has the best contacts, has an excellent eye for a bargain, usually get his tactics spot on. And, despite whatever other people like to claim, he's a Blades fan and stood on the kop as a young man.

No one is better-qualified to get us out of this league.

 

[metty]

"Looking back, nor forward" Living in the past" etc. I wish people wouldn't trundle out these tired old cliches as the reason that we can's appoint the most successful lower-league manager of recent times.

Sometimes, a manager / player returning to his former club works out. Sometimes it doesn't. I doubt many Bournemouth fans think they were "looking back, not forward" when re-appointing Eddy Howe. The situation needs to be looked at objectively.

The fact is, that Warnock grates on a lot of people (including McCabe). But if it were purely and simply the interests of the club we're talking about, and not massaging people's egos, the get him back in and give him a free rein. He has the best contacts, has an excellent eye for a bargain, usually get his tactics spot on. And, despite whatever other people like to claim, he's a Blades fan and stood on the kop as a young man.

No one is better-qualified to get us out of this league.

Hiya Neil; Long time no see

 

[bladesfan]

Warnock would get done for GBH after the first training session. Or he would hang himself for signing a contract to train a football team after seeing what we have. Or would take us to court for saying we lied to him saying we had a football team.

 

[Swanseablade]

They passed it into the net plenty of times when winning a trophy this season!

Good example!!

 

[AdelaideBlade]

Because it's about time (actually long past time) that we entered the 21st century, looked beyond our ridiculous parochialism, realised that Warnock, Bassett et al are yesterday's men, that the likes of Wilder and Morgan have done nothinatsoever that matters to equip themselves to manage this club, that being 'a Blade' is not a pre-requisite when recruiting managers, coaches and players - and for Heaven's sake moved on!

That I have to explain why it's embarrassing, speaks for itself I'm afraid.

It doesn't speak for itself. It's just you, being patronising. THAT speaks for itself.

 

[Dkc]

I wouldn't say that having a former connection with the Blades is necessarily a disadvantage at all, unless there is "baggage" (read Warnock). Indeed, knowing what to expect here should be a real advantage for any future manager.

If I had to make a realistic shortlist, it would include Neil Warnock, Uwe Rossler, Steve Davis, and Sven Goran Erikson (he wants another crack in the UK last I heard, and doesn't need money). Possibly Owen Coyle. If we appointed McCall or kept Morgan it wouldn't be the end of the world. I'm not liking any of the other names in the hat, including Robinson.

EDIT I know it would never happen but I bet Mr Alehouse would do better than most of the names being mentioned.

 

[kingston RAWW]

Wilson is better that all the names mentioned.

 

[Bladesway]

Good old Swansea. If they pass the ball around more they'll create Nuclear Fusion and cure world hunger at the same time.

I think everyone else should pack just in.

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Isn't the biggest shame that we had two of their regulars playing for us not long ago and look how different they are when they actually play it on the deck rather than giving us all neck ache?

Also, Swansea picking players like Michu up for a couple of million and what an impact he has had in a footballing side.

Every rule of course has an exception and Stoke are that. I suppose if you are a Stoke fan you love it. No one likes you and you don't care. If there is a choice on how we get there however (and I believe there is) then I would rather look at Swansea, Wigan, Norwich, West Brom than Stoke.

 

[alcoblade]

Isn't the biggest shame that we had two of their regulars playing for us not long ago and look how different they are when they actually play it on the deck rather than giving us all neck ache?

Also, Swansea picking players like Michu up for a couple of million and what an impact he has had in a footballing side.

Every rule of course has an exception and Stoke are that. I suppose if you are a Stoke fan you love it. No one likes you and you don't care. If there is a choice on how we get there however (and I believe there is) then I would rather look at Swansea, Wigan, Norwich, West Brom than Stoke.

A misconception that I've earned is that I want us to play in some way like Stoke. I don't, though I'm a fan of high tempo football, but that really can be different. I'm just amused when people try to argue that it doesn't work any more. And in any case, very few teams play at the ends of the spectrum like Stoke and Swansea. I don't understand the obsession some have in wanting us to be defined that way, and I think it is too limiting for a club tat has too many other problems right now.

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[TopBoy]

I wonder if Ole Gunnar Solskjær is ready to return to the UK? He's done well in Norway, will have some decent connections and comes without the baggage that some of the other muted names bring.

 

[raul]

Stokeist!

 

[Bergen Blade]

I wonder if Ole Gunnar Solskjær is ready to return to the UK? He's done well in Norway, will have some decent connections and comes without the baggage that some of the other muted names bring.

Won the league twice with Molde but they've started very very poorly this season, and he's got to show he can get them playing well again before he'll leave for a bigger challenge.

Pretty sure he wouldn't consider a League One club with little money though.

 

[Bladesway]

A misconception that I've earned is that I want us to play in some way like Stoke. I don't, though I'm a fan of high tempo football, but that really can be different. I'm just amused when people try to argue that it doesn't work any more. And in any case, very few teams play at the ends of the spectrum like Stoke and Swansea. I don't understand the obsession some have in wanting us to be defined that way, and I think it is too limiting for a club tat has too many other problems right now.

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I agree with you wholeheartedly that this always gets dragged to opposite ends of the scale. Do you want 90- MPH ball 30 feet in the air or Barca? FWIW my own want is that we play down the wings, beat the man and cross it back. Defenders hate it and forwards love it. But thats just a template. I don't want Robson type bollock numbing borefest but I don't think we need to go down the Bassett days either. The best teams know when to do both.

 

[TopBoy]

Won the league twice with Molde but they've started very very poorly this season, and he's got to show he can get them playing well again before he'll leave for a bigger challenge.

Pretty sure he wouldn't consider a League One club with little money though.

What kind of gates do Molde get Bergen? I'd assumed Blades (and possibly League 1) would be a step up for him?

 

[Grecian2000]

What I really find depressing is that a bloke at 64 (yes, on the very edge of retirement) is even considered an option.

We want to build the club, from the juniors up, and have a production line of talent, playing a similar form of the game at all levels. That's what we heard when Wilson was appointed and Pemberton was still coaching the youngsters. Why would we change that philosophy after two years? Have we no long term plan at all?

In reality we should have gone all out for O'Driscoll when we were trying to stay in Div 2, we would now be 30 months into that plan and, possibly, back on an upcurve rather than still having to reach the bottom. Long term planning (and for fucks sake, let's have some with this next appointment) does not mean someone who will be almost in his Seventies at the end of the first five years!

 

[alcoblade]

I agree with you wholeheartedly that this always gets dragged to opposite ends of the scale. Do you want 90- MPH ball 30 feet in the air or Barca? FWIW my own want is that we play down the wings, beat the man and cross it back. Defenders hate it and forwards love it. But thats just a template. I don't want Robson type bollock numbing borefest but I don't think we need to go down the Bassett days either. The best teams know when to do both.

Exactly. Talk on BladesMad (I know ) is that Basset is involved in the selection of the new manager. That made me feel cold. In truth, I really can't stand blind upanatem football.

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[Bergen Blade]

What kind of gates do Molde get Bergen? I'd assumed Blades (and possibly League 1) would be a step up for him?

Molde have crowds of about 9000, though they have financial backings from a couple of business men. Most players in the Norwegian Premiership would not consider moves to the English third division, and I think it would be the same for most managers.

Uwe Rössler is an exception, though he's been determined to manage in England and realistic enough to see that he may have to start at a low level. In any case I think foreign managers have already been ruled out, the Star had an article about it.

We would be in a better position to attract managers if less players were tied up on good wages. With our crowds and set up it would be a good chance of an ambitious young manager to prove himself.

 

[Pinchy]

I agree with you wholeheartedly that this always gets dragged to opposite ends of the scale. Do you want 90- MPH ball 30 feet in the air or Barca? FWIW my own want is that we play down the wings, beat the man and cross it back. Defenders hate it and forwards love it. But thats just a template. I don't want Robson type bollock numbing borefest but I don't think we need to go down the Bassett days either. The best teams know when to do both.

But surely it's a sliding scale isn't it? In your example from utter tripe to sublime artistry. It's hardly Hitler at one end and Stalin at the other.

I suggest a better analysis is that the best teams do neither, rather than both. Man Utd get it forward quickly but do so by way of instant control, quick feet and minds, clever movement by all players creating multiple options for the man on the ball, vision and accuracy in passong and explosive finishing. It's all skill and pace. No Hoof!

Arsenal and Swansea are both a little more leisurely, but they are well capable if going up a gear around the box.

As for Stoke, I'd happily have Hoofers Adam and Whelan in our midfield, and they certainly wouldn't be hoofing in my team.

 

[Bladesway]

But surely it's a sliding scale isn't it? In your example from utter tripe to sublime artistry. It's hardly Hitler at one end and Stalin at the other.

I suggest a better analysis is that the best teams do neither, rather than both. Man Utd get it forward quickly but do so by way of instant control, quick feet and minds, clever movement by all players creating multiple options for the man on the ball, vision and accuracy in passong and explosive finishing. It's all skill and pace. No Hoof!

Arsenal and Swansea are both a little more leisurely, but they are well capable if going up a gear around the box.

As for Stoke, I'd happily have Hoofers Adam and Whelan in our midfield, and they certainly wouldn't be hoofing in my team.

Thats my point exactly. Theres room for both when required but you should set up for a footballing philosophy as plan a and use plans B, C, D & E when its a quagmire in January and you can't play on it. I think that was Wilsons failing, his lack of a plan if football didn't work or we were having a bad day. Doesn't help when someone takes your footballers away though does it.

 

[HoodedClaw]

Being able to play balls to our forwards that give them a greater than 50/50 chance of winning it would be a giant leap forward in my book.

 

[Dkc]

What I really find depressing is that a bloke at 64 (yes, on the very edge of retirement) is even considered an option.

Another cliche is that we need to appoint someone "young and fresh".

It actually doesn't matter how old our new manager is as long as he's good at his job and in good health. The most successful manager of all time is 7 years older than Warnock. Wenger hasn't done bad either, and there are plenty of others who have managed successfully well into their sixties. To say that someone's not up to any job because they're 64 is imo insulting and discriminatory.

 

[Pinchy]

Another cliche is that we need to appoint someone "young and fresh".

It actually doesn't matter how old our new manager is as long as he's good at his job and in good health. The most successful manager of all time is 7 years older than Warnock. Wenger hasn't done bad either, and there are plenty of others who have managed successfully well into their sixties. To say that someone's not up to any job because they're 64 is imo insulting and discriminatory.

Yes, you wouldn't want to insult an imo - they bite!

 

[Grecian2000]

To say that someone's not up to any job because they're 64 is imo insulting and discriminatory.

But I'm not saying he isn't "up to the job" but that he isn't right for the plan. The plan isn't (in my view anyway) a couple of seasons to try and steady the ship. It isn't a "short term fix" (again), it's a long term vision to turn us completely around and get us back up the league.

The "most succesful manager of our time" was appointed at 44 for his 27 year stint. Arsene was 47 when Arsenal came a calling 16 years ago. They were managerial prime (enough experience to know what it's about and enough years left to put it into place and make it work). I didn't see Man U trying to poach AW as SAF's replacement, but go for a proven 50 year old instead.
I want someone who could be here for 10 years and take us to the top, but 5 years minimum to get us moving definitively in the right direction.

 

[Mad Mick]

Giving Warnock another bash wouldn't be the end of the world. At least he manages to get teams promoted.

 

[Pinchy]

Giving Warnock another bash wouldn't be the end of the world. At least he manages to get teams promoted.

How about Bassett? Or Porterfield? Or Sirrel? Or Harris? Maybe Reg Freeman is up for another stint?

I'm afraid that, for far too many of you, the world ends just North of Shoreham Street. It's ridiculous and embarrassing. We're looking for a fresh start and a new profile. How is that achieved by giving a Senior Citizen 'another bash'?

 

[HoodedClaw]

I feel we are doomed to failure whilst ever fans and our Owner can only look backwards.

We have a great opportunity to get someone with fresh ideas, no past connection to the club, who can hopefully sweep out the losing mentality we are currently blighted with, but no lets get Warnock in.

Short termism is a big reason we are here, we already know this doesn't work why not try something radical and lets get a plan together for the next 5 years and give that a try.

I despair