Genuine Question

[Linz]

You asked a genuine question and people are giving you genuine answers.

If you don't like the responses, don't ask the question.

Just because they are disagreeing doesn't mean they aren't civil. You'll find that you're the one who keeps referring to people as the "sarnie brigade".

Just like you keep implying that it's your way or the highway, not allowing for people who may like singing but don't get the obsession with trying to imitate Italians or saying that they don't want us to become like the rivals we've taken the piss out of for years.

 

[Zinedine]

and why do you decide to categorise other blades?

They decide to catagorise fans like me as "chavs, kids, wendy" when all i want is to see some amazing support.

I hate being called a child over this when i most certainly am not. When they catagorise me it's fine but when i give it most people back they spit the dummy out.

Swings and roundabouts

 

[Foxy]

They decide to catagorise fans like me as "chavs, kids, wendy" when all i want is to see some amazing support.

Who called you a "chav", "kid" or "wendy"?

On the whole, you got some good reasoned responses and opinions I thought?

Can I ask who the "sarnie army" are?

 

[Linz]

They decide to catagorise fans like me as "chavs, kids, wendy" when all i want is to see some amazing support.

I hate being called a child over this when i most certainly am not. When they catagorise me it's fine but when i give it most people back they spit the dummy out.

Swings and roundabouts

The only dummy I can see on the floor is yours. Please read what people have actually said.

The "chav" comment was with regards to the name "Dale Cavese".

Is it not legitimate for people to say that we've have taken the piss out of Wednesday for years because they "sing" songs with no words?

No one has called you anything.

 

[Zinedine]

Just because they are disagreeing doesn't mean they aren't civil. You'll find that you're the one who keeps referring to people as the "sarnie brigade".

Just like you keep implying that it's your way or the highway, not allowing for people who may like singing but don't get the obsession with trying to imitate Italians or saying that they don't want us to become like the rivals we've taken the piss out of for years.

I haven't said it's my way or the highway (look at my first post on this site)

I have been very accomodating of people who don't agree with me, i'm fine with that everyone is entitled to their own opinion but i am getting very immature answers from 'mature people'

And it's Sarnie Army (a pretty good phrase if you ask me) and i have only said it once.

 

[JJ Sefton]

NO i mean like this. You can have a different opinion but you don't need to take the fucking piss
[video=youtube;S7Inv49Ghr8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7Inv49Ghr8[/video]

Calm down tiger.

 

[Linz]

I haven't said it's my way or the highway (look at my first post on this site)

And yet you also said...

Do you not want to see colour and vibrancy at Lane, be it with more flags, sector flags, scarves or do you just wish to sit on your hands all match

Who, apart from you, says it has to be one or the other?

I have been very accomodating of people who don't agree with me, i'm fine with that everyone is entitled to their own opinion but i am getting very immature answers from 'mature people'

That is the way this site works. Irreverent chat.

Because some people take themselves far too seriously, get stressed and go off in a huff.

May I suggest you take a chill pill and read the responses in the way that they were intended without getting defensive?

And it's Sarnie Army (a pretty good phrase if you ask me) and i have only said it once.

Slightly hypocritical don't you think? You get upset because you think (wrongly) that someone has called you a chav whereas you go chucking labels like this around?

 

[Zinedine]

And yet you also said...

I'd hardly say that's me stamping my authority on the readers of this forum. Now me saying "you have to bring flags and colour or else your not a blade and you might aswell stay at home" would be.

Slightly hypocritical don't you think? You get upset because you think (wrongly) that someone has called you a chav whereas you go chucking labels like this around?

I never said it was anyone on here, just a general label i've off various sources about the group of lads i go to matches with.

 

[SwissBlade]

Sam,

Genuine questions to you...

What did you and the likes of GC88 (not sure if you're mates with him) expect when you came on here telling people that you want to 'Europeanise' the atmosphere? Did you expect people to treat you as heroes of the lane?

More Genuine Questions for you...

Did you ever Stand on the Kop, John St West, if you're 18 then I doubt it (or you may not remember)?
Did you ever go on G & H blocks around 2001-2003?

You ask for opinions, people give them and you don't like what you read!

As for Wendy singing Dale Cavese, it came across on the radio on Sunday right after the pigs scored...

What I don't get is that we never needed more colour, flags, scarves or Eurovision songs in the past so I don't know why we'd need it now.

 

[Zinedine]

1. I was thinking a "not too keen on the idea but see how it goes and it's good to see a lot of people want to be singing for 90mins and get BDTBL rocking again" and no i don't know who he is

2. No, around the time H block shut i was 8-10ish

3. I don't like s how some of the people have replied in a manner that when i use i get some stick

4. I remember us singing it just after they scored, not sure wheter it was us or them but i was there and never heard them song it once

5. I don't think we need them as such but we need noise, the brand of support (we?) have been wanting to adopt brings noise an vibrancy to games

 

[Jon Bon]

Fair play to the kid for trying and good luck with your efforts. There, that's my serious response.

 

[Linz]

I'd hardly say that's me stamping my authority on the readers of this forum. Now me saying "you have to bring flags and colour or else your not a blade and you might aswell stay at home" would be.

I've sang at matches for a very long long time. Yet can't be arsed to lug our flag about and don't bother with shirts and scarves. Pray tell, what does that make me?

I never said it was anyone on here, just a general label i've off various sources about the group of lads i go to matches with.

And as I said to you before, the way that some of the advocates of this go off on internet message boards, are you really surprised that not everyone is welcoming you with open arms?

You need to engage with supporters and win them round. Not get the mardies on the first time someone respectfully disagrees with you.

I'm not referring to myself here (Christ knows I'm not... I'm not that much older than you) but with age comes wisdom.

A lot of these people whose views you like to write off as being "prawn sarnie" have been there, done that. They know that a few flags won't make Sheffield United a Premiership winning team. They aren't trying to spoil your fun but perhaps dampen your enthusiasm slightly to set you up for the eventual disappointment that no matter how much noise you, we or anybody makes, Sheffield United will still be shit! And I mean that with all the affection in the world towards the club

So chill out, because we old 'uns can't handle the drama. Take their views on board or don't, it's up to you. But you won't change anyone's mind by going off in a huff.

 

[Zinedine]

We have tried to engage with a certian type of fan however at this season Blackpool match ( i didn't go myself so can't comment first hand). At this match there was about 7 or 8 lads singing and at one point a 'certian kind of fan' turned round an said "if you want to create an atmosphere you can f**k off"

Now if we said something along the lines of that then the stewards would be notified and we'd be either moved or ejected and i accept that is the right course of action. I don't see a way to win around that 'certain type of fan' an it seems we can't.
i don't understand why noone sings anymore and you can't blame our choices of songs, Cardiff for exapmple. All that way for 250 fans to sit down and not sing to "proper" Sheffield United songs and we got a decent result. Hell i even went down the front "greek style" to try an inject some life
We see the Eurovision songs (as someone most tastefully put) as fresh and alot of young (U13's) kids there with their parents seem to love them! but if i call the more traditional songs old and boring i will probably recive some form of stick along the lines of "you obviously were'nt around for the John Street West or H block in full voice. No i clearly wasn't i have already stated my age. :thumbup:

Oh and by the way, i'm purchasing a sector flag, 10mX5m and thinking should i just keep it to away matches or not?

 

[Linz]

But just as you don't like assumptions being made about you, you have to understand that not everyone else can be easily labelled too. We have been trying to say that.

There is no such thing as a "certain type of fan". I think that's the first thing you have to get your head round. The next is that constructive criticism doesn't mean it's an Us v. Them scenario.

If you want to sing, then you sing. If other people want to sing, then they will do.

If you want to sing certain songs, then go ahead, knock yourself out. But if some people don't agree with them, they won't join in.

But you can't force people to sing, just like you can't force people to agree with you. You're fighting a losing battle if you want everyone to become sycophants You may have had hostility at matches, but certainly no one here has disagreed with what you want to do. Just maybe your choice of songs. And you did ask for feedback so all they were doing was being honest.

As for the flag, my advice would be to ask the club if you can put it up at the Lane and leave it there. There often aren't places you can easily place a flag away from home.

 

[Grecian2000]

Hell i even went down the front "greek style"

I've always thought the "Greek Style" works best from behind.

 

[Linz]

I've always thought the "Greek Style" works best from behind.

Office laughs for that one

 

[SwissBlade]

Credit to you Sam,

As I assumed, you weren't around for the times when the lane really rocked (especially on G&H), that can't be helped, just as it can't be helped that I wasn't around for the 70's and 80's, But if you ask the opinions of the people that were there 5, 10, 15, 20... 30 years ago and remember those times, they really know what it was like to see the lane rocking and unless my memory serves me poorly there was no Dale Cavese and twirling scarves in sight.

Rightly you'd get some stick from me if you weren't around for when the traditional songs were sung in the past.

Glad that you mentioned the 'Junior Blades of the Eurovision generation'. I'm sure they do love it, but ever since I was a kid, United have been a family club, however since G&H were shut, we've pushed the family side too far... In my opinion... Resulting in what we have now - piped music, GCB lyrics sponsored by a chip shop and ultimately yourselves feeling the need for an official Singing section.

I used to love going to the lane as a young kid, but I never craved Eurovision. I loved the traditional songs, we didn't have the internet, so relied on learning the words at the games. But lets face it, kids of your generation or below will love anything thats thrown at them if the current craze with Xfactor are anything to go by.

If that was the Blades singing Dale Cavese just after they scored then its more reason not to adopt it. It was bloody awful... Sounded very sterile, I thought it must've been the pigs singing it. Unfortunately due to the Ash Cloud I had to give my ticket away, so wasn't there to witness from Leppings lane.

As Linz said (and I said in the other thread and this one) nobody's stopping you from singing, sing away, but based on the responses on here, don't be surprised if the Eurovision Song contest doesn't catch on with the masses at the lane!

Oh and while were on the Eurovision subject, 'Man Bags' and what can only be described as 'Summer scarves' seem to be all the rage for the central european man in 2010, get yourself splashing the cash on them, you could turn out being the European man of the Kop

 

[DuncDisorderly]

the atmoshere went down the sh1tter in the mid 70's...wi the odd exception BDTBL has been like a library ever since.

Tom fookin hark says it all

It started going wrong when we stopped running out to "Ilkley Moor bah'tat"

All together now,

where as tha bin since ah saw theee, ah saw theee......

 

[shorehamview]

Dale Cavese?

Dale fucking Winton more like. Why not sing other songs that have been adapted from Italian, like "Just One Cornetto" or "I Feel Like Chicken Tonight" nicked from the opera "Cosi Fan Hita"?

 

[raul]

Does Brenda know about you and Mary Jane Duncler?


On topic I don't think SUFC have ever been in the vanguard of original football songs in the way Liverpool and Man Utd have, but then again most of theirs have been thought up on long European trips away, be it their own compositions or adaptations of local favourites which then become adopted nationwide once they've been on telly. For those of us who think everything was better in the old days - check out old MOTD's and Big Match from 70's and 80's and just about every crowd can be heard singing "You'll Never Walk Alone" at somepoint so todays copycatting still has some way to go to match that.

That said, the only way the atmos is going to improve is better play - fans are now reactive not proactive. The other thing is - la la la-ing doesn't exactly strike fear into the oppositions hearts either, it needs full throated growls to fire things up. As an example, think of how the atmos lifts if we go down to 10 men unjustly. If you are looking to get things going, that's where you need to be going Sam.

 

[Micalijo]

Does Brenda know about you and Mary Jane Duncler?


On topic I don't think SUFC have ever been in the vanguard of original football songs in the way Liverpool and Man Utd have, but then again most of theirs have been thought up on long European trips away, be it their own compositions or adaptations of local favourites which then become adopted nationwide once they've been on telly. For those of us who think everything was better in the old days - check out old MOTD's and Big Match from 70's and 80's and just about every crowd can be heard singing "You'll Never Walk Alone" at somepoint so todays copycatting still has some way to go to match that.

That said, the only way the atmos is going to improve is better play - fans are now reactive not proactive. The other thing is - la la la-ing doesn't exactly strike fear into the oppositions hearts either, it needs full throated growls to fire things up. As an example, think of how the atmos lifts if we go down to 10 men unjustly. If you are looking to get things going, that's where you need to be going Sam.

Good post Raul.

Have to say Sam I am 36 and am totally lost for words about this push towards a manufactured atmosphere.

By all means go for it but if you want to something positive try and invent a song involving the words Out Fuck Property Blackwell The. Do that, get a few singing it and I'll join you like shit off a shovel. Drop me a line and I'll pay you to do it - I'll chip in for a banner as well if you want.

 

[GC88]

"What did you and the likes of GC88 (not sure if you're mates with him) expect when you came on here telling people that you want to 'Europeanise' the atmosphere? Did you expect people to treat you as heroes of the lane? "

I've never met him, I haven't come on here and I haven't told anyone what to do and merely replied to Sam's question.

Also Wednesday have never done the dale chant.

 

[Blades_257]

We have plenty of our own songs and I'm pretty sure the likes of GCB, Shoreham Boys and We Are Bladesmen weren't stolen.

The group need to focus on those types of songs whilst occasionally trialing the 'continental' types. That would appear more inclusive and probably gain more support. We can't afford to go over the top with the 'Dale' type chants, because they have nothing to do with Sheffield United, it's a tad embarrassing and many fans seem to disapprove of it. Not that I do. I just wouldn't want to see it replace some of our originals as one of the main chants.

You Fill Up My Senses
Sheff United, Sheff United
We are Blades
Hark Now Hear
No Pig Fans in Town
Barrel of Money
We are Bladesmen From The Lane
Oh When The Blades Go Marching In
We Are The Shoreham Boys
We Love United
United, United (fast)
United, United (slow)
Glory Glory Sheff United
London to Merseyside
Sheffield Sheffield Sheffield
Yorkshire, Yorkshire
Ring of Fire
S-H-E-F-F-I-E-L-D U-N-I-T-E-D, Sheffield United FC
We’ll Never Be Mastered
(Clap x 4) The Blades
Bill Shankly Northbank Highbury
Take My Hand
Kevin Blackwell’s Barmy Army/Red and White Army
Give Us a Wave
Not Going Down, Not Going Up
If I Had The Wings of a Sparrow
If You Hate Wednesday Stand Up
My Old Man
10 Men Went to Shit
We Hate Wednesday/SWFIUA/Swinging a Pig (etc)

Fucking Useless
You’re Shit and You Know You Are
You Shit Bastard (Keepers - goal kicks)
Are You Wednesday In Disguise
(Songs like the four above are possibly the most effective as they can be offputting to the opposition)

There's plenty to pick from there and I'm sure I've missed some. It's not as though we need to be stealing European songs. We have plenty of our own and need to focus on keeping them going and sustaining an atmosphere.

As for categorising fans, I think it goes without saying that there are various different types of fan. Singers/non singers, standers/sitters etc....... nobody's any better than the other, they're just different. The singers obviously offer more support but that's not to say they're superior in any way, which seems to be what a few are suggesting is the view of those in the singing section.

And the fans who used to get The Lane rocking have slowly become less and less passionate and as a result of this (as well as the club's determination to promote the family club image) we've had to resort to drastic measures with the organised support section. It's a shame but that's what it's come to.

 

[DazBlade88]

Sam, I recognise alot of the regulars who were in the singing section, and as I sit on gangway B I could hear it all the way through the Swansea game and here is my feedback if you want more people to join in:

You need to keep particular chants going for longer. Alot of the songs can go on for minutes when you keep going, the problem I found was that by the time it started filtering down the guys in the singing section swiftly moved onto something else. Especially 'Sheff United, Sheff United'. Alot more will join in eventually, let's not forget how big our Kop is, so it's going to take a while to filter along.

Another note (which I picked up on at Cardiff, I'm not sure if you were there or not) is sarcastically clapping when others joined in, or booing when they don't. A few of the lads I know that were in the section did this, and it's hardly something that makes everyone else want to join in!

I think it can improve the atmosphere at the Lane in the long run despite my doubts about the whole thing. You just have to be patient, and not get overly defensive when people criticise. Some of the feedback has been quite good but taken in the wrong way.

I know I've not offered a great deal of feedback but it's little things like that that help.

 

[beightonblade]

hey up sam ..............................

sing what yer fookin like .....don't sitdarn an don't listen to the owd fookers on here

but i'll tell thi what standing on the kop at a neight match in the early 70's would have made thi hairs on the back of thi neck stand up .......... when the Blades scored yer cud hear the roar at Manor Top.... and yer ended up 50 yards from where yer started.

 

[bladesman1889]

I can't believe some 'supporters' have the cheek to try and improve the atmosphere at Bramall Lane. Unbelievable.

I agree with some other sentiments though, people who sit down or don't sing shouldn't be scorned at and sarcastically applauded, it's a bit sad really.

 

[GC88]

"Ps I only heard last week that the GCB was ripped off from Rotherham. Does anyone know if that's actually the case?"

I do as it was I who made the comment about it last week and can confirm it was stolen from Rotherham below...

The greasy chip butty song was stolen by united fans from Rotherham.

 

[beightonblade]

"Ps I only heard last week that the GCB was ripped off from Rotherham. Does anyone know if that's actually the case?"

I do as it was I who made the comment about it last week and can confirm it was stolen from Rotherham below...

The greasy chip butty song was stolen by united fans from Rotherham.

gi it back ...its fookin rubbish

 

[GC88]

You fill up my senses
Like a gallon of Magnet
Like a packet of Woodbines
Like a good pinch of snuff
Like a night out in Rotherham
Like a greasy chip butty
Like Rotherham United
Come fill me again....
Na Na Na Naa Naa Naaaaa, ooo!

 

[Foxy]

"Ps I only heard last week that the GCB was ripped off from Rotherham. Does anyone know if that's actually the case?"

I do as it was I who made the comment about it last week and can confirm it was stolen from Rotherham below...

The greasy chip butty song was stolen by united fans from Rotherham.

It's been argued a lot over the years, but can I ask you your source when apparently confirming it was stolen from Rotherham?