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I am 18 and very pro singins at matches.

I want to get your opinion on our like for European songs like Dale Cavese and Ole Ole Ola.

I think these songs really appeal to those around my age band but a few older fans (mid 40's +) seem the need to slag us off for being pro European and non-Blades. Do you agree or are all for us singing loud and proud.
The main problems they seem to have are that they "don't have any words" or "they are stolen from other teams"
GCB - Stolen
Shoreham Boys - Stolen
We are Bladesmen - Stolen
I can go on all night.


Please give me your views
 

i think you are absoloutley right ,that is a genuine question
 
I'm very pro singing at matches.

I like Dale Cavese, I find Ole Ole Ola rather cringeworthy. They have their place and are very impressive when "performed" by their originators. One of my favourite examples in recent years, is Panathinaikos singing Horto Magiko.

However, I dislike them being used in connection with Sheffield United for various reasons. This is a personal preference more than anything.

For me, we used to critisise the Pigs for copying chants and songs from elsewhere with no words and claiming them as their own - "singing" the one chant and nothing else, we used to laugh at how cringeworthy they were (like the band).

I could create a very long list of teams who have recently done exactly the same and tried to get things like Dale Cavese started at their club, so it then begins to sound the same as most of the other fans in the league, only there are less words to "steal" and customise to the Blades.

The songs you mention, have all been sung by others, but when the Blades sing their versions of them, you know they are Blades. They generally speaking have been modified to have some sort of Blades related meaning behind them.

One of the reasons some of the European stuff sounds good, is not that it's a certain tune or a certain style, but that they have a large crowd - all united, all with one and other and passionately singing/chanting the song with co-ordination.

Pick any existing Blades song and sing it that way and it sounds great.

I haven't got a problem with people wanting to sing new stuff that I dislike, I'll just not bother and stick to the more traditional Blades songs. I've witnessed first hand a lot of the critisism coming from old heads who have been there and done that, because of the attitude they have been getting, not purely because they dislike anything new.

I think in a lot of cases (though I don't speak for others), it's more an annoyance in losing the percieved Blades identity and stealing the lesser customised songs that others have already been using (including the pigs). Theres a number of traditional Blades songs we've been hearing less and less of late and I think it would be sad if they we're replaced with identikit-less customised chants.
 
Agree completely with Foxy.

It got right up my nose when everyone spouted on and on and on about the atmosphere created by Wednesdayites in the early noughties - it was all wordless crap coming from a band with a people simply clapping and shouting Wednesday every now and then. At one point, they had one song and that was it.

Part of what is the United identity is our range of songs over the years. I think the 'Ring of Fire' chant - der der der der der der, S-U-F-C - is as close as I want us to get and that's only because it has the Blades link.

Bramall Lane or an away end full of Blades sounds amazing when we sing our songs - the GCB, Barrel of Money, United we love you, Super Bladesmen - in full voice and with passion. I always maintain that the Arsenal PL win (Nade goal) is the best game I've ever been to simply because of the way the 30000 Blades sung their hearts out to bring the lads home. We didn't need no Dale Cavese that night and the only Ole Ole Ole chant needed had a loud NAAAA-DDDDEEEE on the end of it.
 
I am 46 and I like to doze off at matches so feck off with all this singing nonsense.






Nah, only joking fella - I'm 47..... :p
 
It seems to be a new set of chants that are coming from overseas to most teams in Britain - what these chants have over the so called united songs(stolen from rangers, Rotherham, spurs/millwall, etc) is continuity.

GCB song - 25 seconds
we are bladesmen - 30seconds
we are the shoreham boys - 30 seconds

Etc

there isn't a sustained level of noise from the fans and there aren't enough about united and too many about Wednesday -how many times did they chant anti united songs on Saturday? About 1/10 of the reverse.

The rest of the united chants are reactive to getting a corner, free kick or close shot.

I agree about other team using songs such as horto magiko being wrong as they quite probably don't even know what it's about but it's difficult to stop people being influenced by european support when their chants and style is so infectious - you only had to look at how many united fans were dancing about to the palace fans version of "we love you" by st Pauli or whistling seven nation army at half time.

The traditional united chants come across as more passionate, the european ones have a longer match duration and are more fun - there's room for both.
 
Some of the best atmospheres I've been part of for a while was during the season we ended up getting promoted.

Take Burnley for instance. It was an early-season game (might have been the first away match?) but "oooo when the Blades" went on for about twenty minutes at a time. The kids these days can't cope with the slow intro to it either... they rush straight to the fast version. I hope they aren't so premature in all aspects of their lives ;)

Southampton away as well. Fuck me, it was cold that night. But the support was amazing and the Blades sucked the ball into the net. No organisation. No song sheets. And any Blades shirts were hidden under generous layers of clothing. Just Blades songs all night long.

I'm sorry, but you'll not find me "singing" Dale bloody Sheffield Wednesday Calvese. I've taken the piss out of pig fans for far too long to be a hypocrite.
 
the atmoshere went down the sh1tter in the mid 70's...wi the odd exception BDTBL has been like a library ever since.

Tom fookin hark says it all :eek:
 
I also don't understand how the remedy to United having "stolen" songs is to steal even more songs? :)
 
Originality has always been in short supply as far as supporters singing is concerned. Difference is, that up until the last few years it has always been a case of 'adapt then adopt'. The kop in my early days (beginning of the 70s) would come up with the odd original one but would also hear stuff from other fans and change the words to fit the Blades and make it their own. What I hear is plenty of adopting with little or no adapting and certainly nothing original. As for taking something that has been the source of immense amounts of mocking and ridicule aimed at the unclean of S6, and using it at SUFC....don't think so!

..and I agree with BB, it went downhill with the loss of 'singing hi hi Hockey, Hockey hi!' :D
 
Trust me Sam singing at matches is not a new phenomenom as a 47 yr old I've been to most grouonds in the country with United and there has always been singing. In the majority of those years their has been a nucleus of songs that have stayed with the blades and there have been new ones introduced. Very few of those have had the longevity of the established few.

GC88 as for the duration of the songs, I remember going to Peterborough in the early 80's for a night match and singing 'Sheffield United, Sheffield United.....' continually for the first half. There is nothing to stop the songs being repeated. As Linz says the slow version of 'Oh when the Blades' is great.

the problem we have at the lane is that we have pockets of wannabees who want to start a song of and then don't give the rest chance to join in. They then are almost competing with the other groups to get 'Their' song taken up. If your sat on gangway K of the kop and a song starts in the singing section on gangway A it would be difficult sometimes to pick up unless it gets repeated. The singing section where guilty of just flicking from song to song the other week not giving time for the songs to develop and others to join in. Lets hope on Saturday we will all be up and singing.

UTB
 
Alright Sam,

This was touched on by GC88 last week, but he didn't get the point and looks like you haven't either.

Personally it makes me cringe to hear Blades sing Dale Cavese and a lot of the European songs, they have no meaning and are just a lazy way of trying to create an atmosphere. Its not imaginative, its not spontaneous. How can you be proud of a song that has no meaning? I heard the pigs singing Dale Cavese on the comms after they scored... oh dear.

I'm in my early 30's and I have always sung, but I won't join in with a song that has no meaning. Songs without words rarely have meanings to the Blades, unless like the Nuddy song, which developed into a goal celebration (albeit with a gay dance) and even that should've been dropped after the 2003 season. It was for that season only and has been ruined by being played forever since

There's also the Johnny Cash "ring of fire", but its got the S-U-F-C added to adapt it to the Blades

I don't like ripping off other clubs songs, but with the songs you mentioned they've all been adapted to the Blades.

One song that you didn't mention was "Swinging a Pig", its a rip off of "Singing the Blues" but the great thing about it is that its adapted to Sheffield. I don't actually know if it was us or the pigs that started it, but I'd like to think it was us.

Of course there are some songs that are sung once or twice but just fit the moment "tracksuit from Matalan" to Speroni on the last day of the promotion season, its not adapted to the Blades, but its a witty song for the moment.

As for songs about the pigs, why shouldn't we sing about our rivals. GC88, would you rather that we emulated the dire atmosphere from the Sty at the lane and reduce our songs about the pigs to 1/10? Shall we get a band as well? What next though GCB for your sustained atmosphere? Will we have set times to start particular songs, will we pipe the music and crowd noise.

But of course you chaps will sing what you want and if its Euro trash then fine, but all i'm saying is that I won't be joining in. Of course if that means that I'm not a "modern supporter" then so be it.

If you want your atmosphere to be inclusive then don't forget the things that separate the Blades from the rest.

Ps I only heard last week that the GCB was ripped off from Rotherham. Does anyone know if that's actually the case?
 

beightonblade said:
the atmoshere went down the sh1tter in the mid 70's...wi the odd exception BDTBL has been like a library ever since.

Tom fookin hark says it all :eek:
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Tom Hark killed the atmosphere, was it during the play-offs one year that we started to hear it?

I really hate it.
 
Dale Cavese and that are ok now and again. But a lot of the 'proper' songs seem to be fading away a bit which is a shame. Why not try and think a new song up with words, instead of the European style chants that mean nothing?
 
GRUMPY BLADE said:
Tom Hark killed the atmosphere, was it during the play-offs one year that we started to hear it?

I really hate it.
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We sang "Peter Ndlovu" to it just after he equalised at Ewood park in 2000/2001 (christ, was that really 9 years ago!?), much the the bemusement of those around us. I guess they should have guessed from the ridiculous dancing that it was more of a piss take than anything :)
 
Maybe its my age but what is 'Dale Cavese'? Sounds like an Italian Eurovision contestant.
 
frechyblade said:
Trust me Sam singing at matches is not a new phenomenom as a 47 yr old I've been to most grouonds in the country with United and there has always been singing. In the majority of those years their has been a nucleus of songs that have stayed with the blades and there have been new ones introduced. Very few of those have had the longevity of the established few.

GC88 as for the duration of the songs, I remember going to Peterborough in the early 80's for a night match and singing 'Sheffield United, Sheffield United.....' continually for the first half. There is nothing to stop the songs being repeated. As Linz says the slow version of 'Oh when the Blades' is great.

the problem we have at the lane is that we have pockets of wannabees who want to start a song of and then don't give the rest chance to join in. They then are almost competing with the other groups to get 'Their' song taken up. If your sat on gangway K of the kop and a song starts in the singing section on gangway A it would be difficult sometimes to pick up unless it gets repeated. The singing section where guilty of just flicking from song to song the other week not giving time for the songs to develop and others to join in. Lets hope on Saturday we will all be up and singing.

UTB
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Agree the songs have petered out way too quick this season, nothing can get going because the build up isn't there, or if something doesn't get going that set of fans just tend to give up really easy.

Not heard 'Forever and Ever' for a while. Though I wasn't at the first game with singing section.
 
Dale Cavese must be the ultimate Chav name for a bloke from Chesterfield, I imagine he drives an E reg XR3I
 
I am 18 and very pro singins at matches.

blah blah blah blah blah.......

I can go on all night.
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You just did. FFS, volcanic ash is more interesting than this topic :rolleyes:

:gallop:
 
I admire the youngsters for what they are doing, but generic songs like Dale Cavese are a bit toss IMHO. I wouldn't necessarily join in with that and I'm only mid-twenties. It is a touch Wednesday band style. That said fair play for them trying to get an atmosphere going.

When I think back to the days of H-Block (sigh), that wah a proper singing section!
 
frechyblade said:
the problem we have at the lane is that we have pockets of wannabees who want to start a song of and then don't give the rest chance to join in. They then are almost competing with the other groups to get 'Their' song taken up. If your sat on gangway K of the kop and a song starts in the singing section on gangway A it would be difficult sometimes to pick up unless it gets repeated. The singing section where guilty of just flicking from song to song the other week not giving time for the songs to develop and others to join in. Lets hope on Saturday we will all be up and singing.

UTB
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Has our kop been widened?
 
I wouldn't call Dale Cavese 'generic' i know of one or two English clubs that sing it and Wendy certainly don't.

I'm not trying to force out song like GCB or Hark now Hear ect. i'm interested in people's opinion on INTRODUCING more European songs not replace all the ones we have. If you were near Gangway A you'd know we sang plenty of "proper" songs.

Do you not want to see colour and vibrancy at Lane, be it with more flags, sector flags, scarves or do you just wish to sit on your hands all match :S
I expected the Sarnie Army to be out in force but if i riddiclued them (and some on here) for doing that i'd get a reyt bollocking however i haven't i've been quite civil so no need to remind of how you want things to be i just wanted opinions on what i wish to do. I'm not enforcing anything on anybody
 
NO i mean like this. You can have a different opinion but you don't need to take the fucking piss
[video=youtube;S7Inv49Ghr8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7Inv49Ghr8[/video]
 

samcunliffe said:
I wouldn't call Dale Cavese 'generic' i know of one or two English clubs that sing it and Wendy certainly don't.
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Bradford City, Bury, Aldershot, Cambridge, Accrington Stanley, Lincoln, Derby, York, Blackpool etc etc

The reason it's "generic" is that it has nothing to do with Sheffield United or the vast majority of other clubs that are trying to adopt it.

Who isn't being civil to you? and why do you decide to categorise other blades?
 
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