"Game changing investment"

[Rodley]

I'm afraid there can't be any excuses for a squad as large as that. If there's too many youngsters, why are they in the first team squad if they aren't going to get a game? I haven't seen one youngster (Reed aside) from our academy making regular sub appearances. The injuries doesn't make a difference, it's the financial impact they are having by being on our books.. we don't just stop paying them when they get injured.

But a large squad is the previous managers responsibility not the board is it not? Fans would have been up in arms if the board had refused to sign Clough's targets.

 

[ThatJa]

Think you need to learn a bit about how capital works rather than cash flow son. Suggest GCSE accounts may start the process.

I guess you think spending 1.5million on a Right Back when we had only one striker in League one a wise decision?

 

[Barney]

But a large squad is the previous managers responsibility not the board is it not? Fans would have been up in arms if the board had refused to sign Clough's targets.

It's Clough's fault for signing such ridiculous amount of journeymen but the board have to also take part of the blame for not preventing it when it got silly. Nobody would have complained if we had stopped signing at an acceptable number of new arrivals.

 

[MobileBlade]

I guess you think spending 1.5million on a Right Back when we had only one striker in League one a wise decision?

That was not what was said. You said about buying pitch, ticket office etc rather than on players. I was just saying we may have spent £2m on facilities this summer but that would not equate to £2m on players on the balance sheet.

 

[Barney]

Think you need to learn a bit about how capital works rather than cash flow son. Suggest GCSE accounts may start the process.

Edit: Seen above.

 

[Barney]

we may have spent £2m on facilities this summer but that would not equate to £2m on players on the balance sheet.

Why?

 

[MobileBlade]

Excuse me if I missed something but he makes extremely valid points I would say.

What's wrong with that post? Not a dig just interested.

See previous post. Not a comment about Brayford but the facilities.

 

[MobileBlade]

Why?

Probably best answered by an accountant but when we buy players we cannot any longer account for them over the length of a players contract and they cannot be seen as a capital asset (FA rules). We spend £1m on the pitch, for instance, and we say that pitch is liable to last us 10 years so we actually in our accounts pay £100k per year. Not saying those figures are correct and it is a bit more complex than that esp after a few beers but thats the jist. There's all sorts of tax implications.

 

[Barney]

Probably best answered by an accountant but when we buy players we cannot any longer account for them over the length of a players contract and they cannot be seen as a capital asset (FA rules). We spend £1m on the pitch, for instance, and we say that pitch is liable to last us 10 years so we actually in our accounts pay £100k per year. Not saying those figures are correct and it is a bit more complex than that esp after a few beers but thats the jist. There's all sorts of tax implications.

Can't say I understood any of that to be honest mate!

I was, not so much now, sure that if you had £1m available for a pitch then you have £1m available for new players, to me that's the only thing that's important.

 

[MobileBlade]

Can't say I understood any of that to be honest mate!

I was, not so much now, sure that if you had £1m available for a pitch then you have £1m available for new players, to me that's the only thing that's important.

Most people do get cash flow mixed up with profit and loss and I don't grasp alot of it. Depends on the capital write off which is usually defined by HMRC but basically is something costs a million and its written off over 10 years equally then we may have paid a million cash but this year it has only cost us hundred grand. Then the same next year and the year after until its paid for.

 

[Barney]

Most people do get cash flow mixed up with profit and loss and I don't grasp alot of it. Depends on the capital write off which is usually defined by HMRC but basically is something costs a million and its written off over 10 years equally then we may have paid a million cash but this year it has only cost us hundred grand. Then the same next year and the year after until its paid for.

Oh I see now apologies.

 

[MobileBlade]

Oh I see now apologies.

Probably explain it better when sober and not using keypad on phone but one other thing to consider about pitch. I read that when a game is postponed it costs the club around £30k. I am sure there is some calculation out there that would show it as an investment.

 

[Sheffsteel]

Our fans can't make their mind up.

When we sacked Clough many were saying THE MANAGER is the most important post at any club
And we should invest in bringing in the BEST manager instead of wasting finance on the best player.

So we brought in the BEST manager with the BEST cv.

We have no choice but to trust our manager.
His track record suggests he knows far more tha any fan. So let's wait and see.

Also regards the game changing investment means we no longer need to sell any players to balance the books
And we can now afford to show ambition each and every season.

We've been the big spenders of league 1 every season.
At least we now have (on paper) the best manager in league 1 so let's have some faith.

 

[Sirius]

I think some of the evidence such as the squad size is unfortunately too late to rectify. We should have signed them by now and we should have watchedand seen them mixing nicely with the new squad, the points it could cost us whilst we wait for this to happen now could be season defining.

Offloading the amount of deadwood required will be a challenging mission to complete in 3 weeks, and that's without thinking about who we're going to sign in their places. With a squad of 34 surely we will have to trim before we sign. But it's anyones guess with this club.

Ah the old Deadwood Stage again. We are either acquiring or disposing of our dead wood so that more can jump aboard. It
Was always thus.

 

[Revolution]

The statement that we would have "game changing investment" was either a lie or a very reckless statement.

2 years in, we remain in league one.

Golden rule with United. Ignore what they say, watch what they do. It's just happened again.

I've wasted enough time on this club for a while, I think.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

[QUOTE="MobileBlade, post: 810022, member: We actually have 19 players tomorrow for 18 shirts. I wouldn't say thats a bloated squad.[/QUOTE]

Some one is going to be pissed off

 

[Kozzy_is_my_Dad]

Murphy is hardly likely to sit down at his first interview at his new club and say "it's shit here, I don't want to fucking be here". Is he? Of course they're going to try to spin it.

He had ambitions of a call up, granted. But he also had ambitions that he wanted to fulfil here and sources cite that he was happy here.

Let's face it, in our period of recent decline, we've languished in the league 1. In that time approximately:

1. Hull have fought off financial extinction, climbed the league ladder, played in the Premier League twice and played in a cup final. They've grown enough to come back and buy our best player - twice!

2. Brighton have fought off financial extinction, climbed the football league ladder, moved out of playing in a chuffing dilapidated old athletics stadium, built a massive brand spanking new ground and come back to buy our best player.

Game changing investment? I'd argue they've seen it. I'd argue we've just been fed a load of bullshit by the board as per.

 

[metalblade]

Looks to me like the Prince is losing interest or maybe he is starting to realise McCabe has had his pants down. Game changing investment my arse, Maguire and McDonald you could maybe spin it as they were coming to the end of contracts not so with Murphy who only a few months ago was happy enough to sign with us for a few more years, he was one player we did not need to sell. In effect we have one co owner putting cash in and the other one taking it out, still coming from oil rich Saudi he should be able to find a large tin of lube to ease to pain. Not a lot changes in S2.

 

[Rodley]

Looks to me like the Prince is losing interest or maybe he is starting to realise McCabe has had his pants down. Game changing investment my arse, Maguire and McDonald you could maybe spin it as they were coming to the end of contracts not so with Murphy who only a few months ago was happy enough to sign with us for a few more years, he was one player we did not need to sell. In effect we have one co owner putting cash in and the other one taking it out, still coming from oil rich Saudi he should be able to find a large tin of lube to ease to pain. Not a lot changes in S2.

Where on earth are you getting this from? Looking at the accounts I've read the club is subsidised by the owners by a huge degree. Does someone on Twitter / Blades Mad know better?

The mind boggles.

 

[metalblade]

I don't see McCabe putting anything into the club do you ?

 

[Rodley]

I don't see McCabe putting anything into the club do you ?

Well he did lend us shit loads of money and wrote it off. But then again we did pocket £2,000,000 from the Maguire sale so he's easily pocketing -£48,000,000. And don't forgot he's pocketing a few hundred thousand a season for rent for the ground so he'll be up in 2097.

 

[I should coco]

I don't see McCabe putting anything into the club do you ?

But if you don't look very hard you won't see anything will you?

He's not actively putting much in at the moment but then again his property group has just come through the worst recession since the 1930s so it's probably not throwing cash off.

Look at the accounts and the loans from KM/Scarborough and the trusts. He is into SUFC for approaching £50m and has had to fund our losses for the last 15 years on his own. How much further do you want him to reach into his own pocket?

It's dead easy to spend someone else's money but while you are at it, I don't see you putting much in either?

 

[Blade82]

This phrase is open to interpretation, and this is just my interpretation but I would suggest that this phrase implies the financial clout to a) keep hold of your key players and b) sign top calibre players to compliment them, in an attempt to improve your club's fortunes and gain promotion to the championship.

By my reckoning, such investment means that we won't have needed to sell Murphy. By Murphy's family's own admission, the player didn't want to leave, so something doesn't add up and I know where my suspicions lie. The club are fibbing and expecting us to believe it.

As far as I can tell, this 'investment' came in and nothing has changed. Tell me, at what point did the investment come in specifically, as I can't see a turning point..?

Sell Quinn, buy...no one?
Sell Lowton, buy McMahon
Lose Evans, make Porter the number 9
Sell Blackman, sign Forte on loan
Fail to agree terms with Williamson, sign no one
Sell McDonald, sign no one
Sell Maguire, sign no one, play McEveley there, make McEveley club captain.

All other incomings and outgoings aside, the trend of 'sell your best player and fail to replace them' has prevailed. Now it's sell Murphy, and...? I know what my money will be on.

We continue to be let down by the board.

The game changing investment came after the mcdonald sale so not sure why you list all the others.

The board backed clough like no other manager in recent years. He failed so they appointed the most experience man available and one we all wanted they got massive praise from us all for doing so yet Murphy WANTING to leave means they've done fuck all for us? Don't let the past cloud what Phipps, the prince and co are currently doing. They're backing us and putting serious money in. I dread to think where we would be if they never came in when they did because under the sole owenership of McCabe and the management of wier it was LG2 all the way

 

[Kenilworth]

We love mediocrity down at Bramall Lane
We sell our best players, it's allus been the same
We lap up all the horse shit and turn up to the game
Third division football, perpetual at the Lane.

 

[Blade82]

We love mediocrity down at Bramall Lane
We sell our best players, it's allus been the same
We lap up all the horse shit and turn up to the game
Third division football, perpetual at the Lane.

Which clubs don't have to sell their best players when the player wants to leave? Unless you're barca or real I'm afraid that's life. Pretty much every other club is a selling club

 

[Kenilworth]

Which clubs don't have to sell their best players when the player wants to leave? Unless you're barca or real I'm afraid that's life. Pretty much every other club is a selling club

That's right. We have to accept the mediocrity because we have no devine right to any success at all.

Well, we're delivering in spades, but glad it makes you content.

 

[MobileBlade]

I think I've read hundreds of threads that say Murphy was our best player. If he was our best player, perhaps that's why we've been stuck in this League for five years.

 

[Blade82]

That's right. We have to accept the mediocrity because we have no devine right to any success at all.

Well, we're delivering in spades, but glad it makes you content.

I'll go regardless and I'm more than content doing so I love it. We never have been and never will be a top side who wins anything in English football. Accept that, relax and start enjoying your days out at the football.

 

[crucialkneeligaman]

This phrase is open to interpretation, and this is just my interpretation but I would suggest that this phrase implies the financial clout to a) keep hold of your key players and b) sign top calibre players to compliment them, in an attempt to improve your club's fortunes and gain promotion to the championship.

By my reckoning, such investment means that we won't have needed to sell Murphy. By Murphy's family's own admission, the player didn't want to leave, so something doesn't add up and I know where my suspicions lie. The club are fibbing and expecting us to believe it.

As far as I can tell, this 'investment' came in and nothing has changed. Tell me, at what point did the investment come in specifically, as I can't see a turning point..?

Sell Quinn, buy...no one?
Sell Lowton, buy McMahon
Lose Evans, make Porter the number 9
Sell Blackman, sign Forte on loan
Fail to agree terms with Williamson, sign no one
Sell McDonald, sign no one
Sell Maguire, sign no one, play McEveley there, make McEveley club captain.

All other incomings and outgoings aside, the trend of 'sell your best player and fail to replace them' has prevailed. Now it's sell Murphy, and...? I know what my money will be on.

We continue to be let down by the board.

Great post Kozzy, reading that summary makes depressing reading.

 

[Kenilworth]

I'll go regardless and I'm more than content doing so I love it. We never have been and never will be a top side who wins anything in English football. Accept that, relax and start enjoying your days out at the football.

To be fair it's the football that spoils the day out.
The pre and post match beers are a highlight and sometimes a bite to eat. The company is good, even the black humour in a defeat. It's just the utter garbage dished out on the pitch that grates. When they show less bottle than players on a third of what they are on and lose out in their individual battles - and the almost complete dearth of goal mouth action.