Free kick, offside in our own half

[Harry's Game]

He ran back from an offside position (in Leicester's half), and became "active" in ours by challenging for the ball. So freekick is given at the spot where the offence took place.

The offence is where he was offside

 

[Harry's Game]

“Perma tanned”? Really?

Yes he looked liked like Donald Trump and David Dickinson had a kid.

 

[dc_blade]

Yes he looked liked like Donald Trump and David Dickinson had a kid.

He’s not white.

 

[djbaldken]

The offside law has been altered that many times I haven't a clue these days.

 

[thehet]

He ran back from an offside position (in Leicester's half), and became "active" in ours by challenging for the ball. So freekick is given at the spot where the offence took place.

Where is the list of actions that deem a player to be "active" or not?

 

[ChipButtyBlade]

Both puzzled me this season.

 

[dsr-burnley]

Until a few years ago, this part of the offside law was relatively easy. If a player was in an offside position when the ball was kicked, and he subsequently interfered with play, then the offside was given at the place where the player was when the ball was kicked. Since an attacker can't be in an offside position in your own half, that meant the free kick was always in the defending team's own half.

Then the lawmaking committee, in a desperate attempt to prove they are cleverer than everyone who has ever played the game, decided that was all wrong. Now, you can still only be in an offside position in your opponents' half, but you aren't technically offside until you interfere with play. So if you are a yard inside the opponent's half in an offside position, and one of your team plays a suicide ball to a man 30 yards from goal and you dash back an interfere, the opponents get a free kick 30 yards from goal.

It's stupid, but these lawmakers want to keep changing things, because then the fools running the game think they are doing an essential job.

 

[Houston_Blade]

One of the most nuts things I’ve ever seen. The Perma tanned ref tonight was all over the place

The ‘perma tan’ might come from his Zimbabwean mother.

 

[Eddiecolquhounsleg]

Until a few years ago, this part of the offside law was relatively easy. If a player was in an offside position when the ball was kicked, and he subsequently interfered with play, then the offside was given at the place where the player was when the ball was kicked. Since an attacker can't be in an offside position in your own half, that meant the free kick was always in the defending team's own half.

Then the lawmaking committee, in a desperate attempt to prove they are cleverer than everyone who has ever played the game, decided that was all wrong. Now, you can still only be in an offside position in your opponents' half, but you aren't technically offside until you interfere with play. So if you are a yard inside the opponent's half in an offside position, and one of your team plays a suicide ball to a man 30 yards from goal and you dash back an interfere, the opponents get a free kick 30 yards from goal.

It's stupid, but these lawmakers want to keep changing things, because then the fools running the game think they are doing an essential job.

And if you take your thought experiment to its ultimate conclusion, if the offside player is quick enough (and the wind is in the right direction and the ball is kicked backwards high enough) then touches the ball in his own penalty area and then ‘becomes active’, is a penalty given as offside is a direct offence?

The law is an ass.

 

[Harry's Game]

The ‘perma tan’ might come from his Zimbabwean mother.

Whoops

 

[Greasy Chap Butty]

It was funny, but I can't get enraged about it. Also they played it back.
Overall ref was good, let the game flow, few odd decisions but caught their diver and think that was the only card (??)

 

[LBA_Blade]

And if you take your thought experiment to its ultimate conclusion, if the offside player is quick enough (and the wind is in the right direction and the ball is kicked backwards high enough) then touches the ball in his own penalty area and then ‘becomes active’, is a penalty given as offside is a direct offence?

The law is an ass.

Always indirect free kick so no penalty however if that did ever happen it would be an indirect free kick in the penalty area

 

[Eddiecolquhounsleg]

Always indirect free kick so no penalty however if that did ever happen it would be an indirect free kick in the penalty area

Of course it’s indirect. I’ve not had my breakfast yet, so I’m not thinking clearly .
In the meantime I’ve also looked at Law 11 and I cannot find anything in it that covers this situation, even though someone earlier said that this situation is covered by it.

I’m hungover, confused and getting on a bit, so bear with me.

 

[Keen Blade]

Ref absolutely got the dive bang on though, most would not have.

He reffed extremely well and tolerated no nonsense from players

 

[Working Class Hero]

Part 4 of Law 11 (offside)
If an offside offence occurs, the referee awards an indirect free kick where the offence occurred, including if it is in the player’s own half of the field of play.

https://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/laws/football-11-11/law-11---offside

I can't believe I did not know this, having watched and played competitive football all my life (and still do both every week!).

I'd have still have argued that the "offence" occurred at the point he was actually offside (i.e., in the opponents half), but that's clearly wrong or it would make the last part of the law redundant.

What makes it even more bizarre is that in this case (and presumably all cases), the linesman flagged in the opponent's half and pointed his flag to the point Brooks was offside, right in front of him. You would think the whole point of that action is to identify the point of the offence? We all see linesman stop at the point of the offside and raise their flag signalling to the point of the offside, and I've always assumed that's where the free kick should be taken, when in actual fact it could in theory be 50 yards away from that point.

 

[Balham]

It was funny, but I can't get enraged about it. Also they played it back.
Overall ref was good, let the game flow, few odd decisions but caught their diver and think that was the only card (??)

Mavididi deservedly got booked for wiping out Soumaré on the touchline and Seriki got one for time wasting, which was harsh as we had subs ready to come on and he was right next to the fourth official who presumably indicated that he should wait.

 

[Grey Blade]

Well ive learnt something new today. I didnt know they gave the freekick where the player last touched it (in own half. In this instance).

Out of 1000s of games ive played from being young to old, semi pro to amateur, I never knew that .

Like you, it's never too late to learn something new (or something you'd missed.

The offside law has been altered that many times I haven't a clue these days.

Difficult to keep up

 

[Greasy Chap Butty]

Mavididi deservedly got booked for wiping out Soumaré on the touchline and Seriki got one for time wasting, which was harsh as we had subs ready to come on and he was right next to the fourth official who presumably indicated that he should wait.

Yeah forgot the seriku one. I think subs were ready but not the 4th official?? Still harsh on Femi.

 

[Geordie Blade]

On another note, from the Laws:

A player in an offside position at the moment the ball is played or touched* by a team-mate.
*The first point of contact of the ‘play’ or ‘touch’ of the ball should be used; however, when the ball is thrown by the goalkeeper, the last point of contact should be used.

So, if a players hooks his foot under the ball and then ‘scoops’ it as a pass (without the ball leaving his foot), the attacker only has to be onside at the first point the assister touches the ball.

I can imagine a situation where a midfielder holds their foot under the ball (continuously touching it) for about five seconds whilst an attacker runs ten or fifteen yards beyond the last defender. If it is then scooped forward, it has to be given onside and the forward is clean through.

Bonky madness.

 

[Ned the Donkey]

I can imagine a situation where a midfielder holds their foot under the ball (continuously touching it) for about five seconds whilst an attacker runs ten or fifteen yards beyond the last defender. If it is then scooped forward, it has to be given onside and the forward is clean through.

It's definitely worth trawling through the Laws for cases like this to see if you can take advantage of them.

I rememember reading about penalties as a kid and something about the ball having to "move forward by its own circumference" and thinking strictly you could pass forward from a penalty rather than shoot.

Ajax did this in 1982 (though I claim no credit).

There was also the Man United corner kick, which ended up not working out(?) but maybe that was (again) something to do with the ball not travelling its circumference.

I'd imagine a close reading of the Laws as they currently stand might turn up a few situations which could be exploited.

It's not that similar from the Marginal Gains or Moneyball, sometimes there's a gap between conventional wisdom and reality. If you can operate in that gap it might well give you a significant advantage before everyone else catches up.

 

[LBA_Blade]

It's definitely worth trawling through the Laws for cases like this to see if you can take advantage of them.

I rememember reading about penalties as a kid and something about the ball having to "move forward by its own circumference" and thinking strictly you could pass forward from a penalty rather than shoot.

Ajax did this in 1982 (though I claim no credit).

There was also the Man United corner kick, which ended up not working out(?) but maybe that was (again) something to do with the ball not travelling its circumference.

I'd imagine a close reading of the Laws as they currently stand might turn up a few situations which could be exploited.

It's not that similar from the Marginal Gains or Moneyball, sometimes there's a gap between conventional wisdom and reality. If you can operate in that gap it might well give you a significant advantage before everyone else catches up.

Like the classic Saunders goal against Port Vale with the the thrown in off the keeper to count as a player playing the ball

 

[The Fox]

Whoops

Dont feel bad about it , a guy behind me said a similar thing ,no racial intent whatsoever, and I pointed out that the ref was mixed race . Hard to tell from way back so you weren't alone .

 

[Grey Blade]

I rememember reading about penalties as a kid and something about the ball having to "move forward by its own circumference" and thinking strictly you could pass forward from a penalty rather than shoot.

I remember seeing that done once - can't remember if it was Ajax but I've definitely seen it

 

[Tickhill Blade]

I remember seeing that done once - can't remember if it was Ajax but I've definitely seen it

 

[Trigger Blade]

Like the classic Saunders goal against Port Vale with the the thrown in off the keeper to count as a player playing the ball

I seem to recall that the law was changed after that to stop it happening, something like unsporting behaviour.

 

[jt64]

I remember seeing that done once - can't remember if it was Ajax but I've definitely seen it

Definitely an Ajax player done that. Arsenal I think had Henry pass to Pires for one or vice versa as well

 

[Grey Blade]

Definitely an Ajax player done that. Arsenal I think had Henry pass to Pires for one or vice versa as well

They actually cocked it up!

 

[CornwallBlade]

Mavididi deservedly got booked for wiping out Soumaré on the touchline and Seriki got one for time wasting, which was harsh as we had subs ready to come on and he was right next to the fourth official who presumably indicated that he should wait.

Yep, it looked like his marker board was playing up and Seriki was just waiting for him to sort it out?

 

[Guesty]

I remember seeing that done once - can't remember if it was Ajax but I've definitely seen it

Definitely an Ajax player done that. Arsenal I think had Henry pass to Pires for one or vice versa as well

Johan Cruyff and Jesper Olsen, I believe.

 

[Silent Blade]

Johan Cruyff and Jesper Olsen, I believe.