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Why do we need foreigners ? (I don't class Scots Irish & Welsh as foreigners) Wilder doesn't want any because he likes to keep a close knit group , & thinks overseas players could damage that . I can see what he means , would a foreign player have the mindset to come in and be a blade , & buy into what it involves like the group we have now? To be like Dean Henderson has and many others , who come to United , even if only for a brief time , & become Blades forever! A European sportspaper labelled us team Brexit because we only have British players , long may it continue.
 

Out of interest has Wilder had foreign players at any of his previous clubs?

Personally couldn’t care less where they’re from if they are the right sort and buy into what is being built and the style of play we want
 
It's got to be great for the lads all speaking the Queens English. Nothing racist about that.
 
Whilst we're on this subject and on a more serious note, just supposing we do get promoted this season or next; with the apparent policy we have, could we survive without introducing foreign players?
 
Liverpool blade said:
You’re right. Listening to scousers talk is like watching an episode of the clangers!!. They always tell me that I speak in a foreign accent because of my Yorkshire roots. UTB
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weird thing about scouse is that it doesn't gradually diminish. you get to the welcome to Liverpool sign and it's all 'arright then la' .. whereas a mile ago it was a Lancashire accent
 
super_pig said:
weird thing about scouse is that it doesn't gradually diminish. you get to the welcome to Liverpool sign and it's all 'arright then la' .. whereas a mile ago it was a Lancashire accent
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I used to have a customer in Warrington which is midway between Scouseland and the Rainy City. You'd expect some crossover scally type accent but all the lads on the shop floor either sounded either Scouse or Manc. I had another customer in St Helens which is even closer to Scouseland and that was just as bad. Half sounded very Scouse and the others all traditional Lancashuuuur.

Good job we was all brought up reet proper on this side ot hill.
 
I should coco said:
I used to have a customer in Warrington which is midway between Scouseland and the Rainy City. You'd expect some crossover scally type accent but all the lads on the shop floor either sounded either Scouse or Manc. I had another customer in St Helens which is even closer to Scouseland and that was just as bad. Half sounded very Scouse and the others all traditional Lancashuuuur.

Good job we was all brought up reet proper on this side ot hill.
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Did yerr not knooow, cud yerr not tell....
 
Yellarbellyblade said:
Out of interest has Wilder had foreign players at any of his previous clubs?
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Not many.

In his two full seasons at Northampton he only managed two foreign players.

An Iraqi goalkeeper called Shwan Jalal and Diego De Girolamo who is half Italian.
 
We were criticised in a Spanish newspaper they implied that we were a racist club.

This is from a country where they allow Athletic Bilbao to sign only Basque players
 
BushBlade said:
I think it’s more simple than that. Due diligence. If they want to know about a British player, or one playing in the British leagues, they’ll know someone who knows him and can phone them up and ask, find out what he’s like as a person, is he a good character who’ll fit in. It’s much harder to do that if the player is Serbian, or even French or Dutch.

Wilder follows the Shankly doctrine of ‘sign good people’. That’s why we’re unlikely to sign a Djilobodji.
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That requires something more qualified BB. Just as there have been plenty of British players you could categorise as embarrassing or fortunate to have been signed, there are many examples of foreign players that would enhance most clubs, don't you think?

It's the one apparent failure of this discussion about who Wilder might sign.
 
Ireland is technically foreign int it!? I know they certainly don't see themselves as British! Saying that its still remarkable how we've got not one foreign born player, aside from the Irish lads and they were signed from British clubs.

I do like one or two foreign lads though for a wee bit of flair if honest but that's not to fault Wilders transfer policy. I'd love a Borbokis or a Jan Aage for instance but would dread another Flo!

Can anyone recall the Flo song!? Flo, Flo, Flo Flo, Flo, Flo, Flo, Flo (you get the drift!) who needs Deano!? To the tune of There's no limits.

I'm sure it got going later in the season but with the revised words at the end of We need Deano!?
 

As always, I'm contractually bound to explain Utd have signed three non-British Isles players into the Academy.

This Summer, Frenchman Nicksoen Gomis joined the Academy from Evreux FC 27.

German goalkeeper Jordan Amissah also joined, Borussia Dortmund and Schalke are amongst his former clubs.

Simeon Oure has been at the Academy for a while longer. Following spells with USMF Gagne and Nimes Olympique in his native France.

We have trialled a small number of other foreign players in the U23s recently. There is, of course, a great Blog where you can get info on the progress of these youngsters & one off Scouting reports on any triallist....
 
itsinyerblood said:
That requires something more qualified BB. Just as there have been plenty of British players you could categorise as embarrassing or fortunate to have been signed, there are many examples of foreign players that would enhance most clubs, don't you think?

It's the one apparent failure of this discussion about who Wilder might sign.
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There are plenty of foreign players who would enhance us and other clubs but the difficulty is finding out about their character. There are also plenty of twats that actually damage clubs. How can you tell if a foreign player is the former or the latter?

As I say, it’s a lot easier to do background checks on UK based players. I don’t think CW is xenophobic, it’s just a matter of practicalities.
 
Ball_Sup (Phil) said:
As always, I'm contractually bound to explain Utd have signed three non-British Isles players into the Academy.

This Summer, Frenchman Nicksoen Gomis joined the Academy from Evreux FC 27.

German goalkeeper Jordan Amissah also joined, Borussia Dortmund and Schalke are amongst his former clubs.

Simeon Oure has been at the Academy for a while longer. Following spells with USMF Gagne and Nimes Olympique in his native France.

We have trialled a small number of other foreign players in the U23s recently. There is, of course, a great Blog where you can get info on the progress of these youngsters & one off Scouting reports on any triallist....
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What do you think to the foreign lads at the Academy Phil? Any promise?
 
Who needs foreign players? Think it gives us the edge by not having em, if I’m honest. I think most of our team wouldn’t be here if it wasn’t for foreign players replacing them at their previous clubs.
 
It’s very fashionable to have a few Carlos Kickaballs in your team now. Think CW has seen this and rounded up all the “British Rejects” with a point to prove.
 
Bladezz said:
British based players have similar values to what we are trying to build as a team.

On average the Spanish players are more technical etc but we have a style of play that suits our players. Then we bring in players that suit our style and it will just continue round.
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Then frankly I's sooner watch Spanish players. I'd like to think we take the best players from wherever.
 
blade53 said:
Why do we need foreigners ? (I don't class...... Irish ...... as foreigners)i Funny that - they seem to be classed as immigrants. Stevens was born in Dublin that makes him Irish. It is a foreign country. That makes him a foreigner.
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The advantage foreign players have over British players now is there are a lot more of em ....:rolleyes:
 
Booker4 said:
What do you think to the foreign lads at the Academy Phil? Any promise?
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I've just watched Gomis play 90 minutes for an SUFC Futures U19 side at Swallownest. (Utd won 8-0). I've not watched him nearly enough to form a proper opinion. Conventional Centre Back tonight. Nice & tidy. No howlers. Fit & athletic.

I've seen Amissah (the German keeper) just the once I think. Very difficult to have much of an opinion based on that.

Simeon Oure, I've seen much more of. He's now an U23 regular. And he played a lot last season. Sometimes as the attacking midfielder. Sometimes up top. He's more your small & nippy than your tall & strapping striker. Runs at attackers with the ball, runs the channels well. Doesn't score enough. He's decent. But, a long, long way to go. And, a lot in the queue in front of him.
 
BushBlade said:
There are plenty of foreign players who would enhance us and other clubs but the difficulty is finding out about their character. There are also plenty of twats that actually damage clubs. How can you tell if a foreign player is the former or the latter?

As I say, it’s a lot easier to do background checks on UK based players. I don’t think CW is xenophobic, it’s just a matter of practicalities.
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it seems to me that many championship and lower premiership club sign a lot of French 2nd division players you've never heard of on huge wages hoping that they might get a Kante or Mahrez.. it very rarely works out that way. that's one of the reasons a lot of clubs are just about busted.
 
Booker4 said:
Ireland is technically foreign int it!? I know they certainly don't see themselves as British!
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Eire is of course independent and not part of Great Britain or the UK, but geographically is part of the British Isles.

For the purposes of this debate I'm sure they can be regarded as 'British' without causing too much controversy ,although of course there is always someone out there just waiting to be offended. Cue.....

SandyMcBlade said:
What happens if Brexit bans foreign players ?
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It won't.

The UK game is already wash with 'proper' foreigners (i.e. non EU) who currently need work permits. If no deal is reached and there is no free movement, then EU players will need work permits too.

Brexit may well restrict the desire of foreign players to come though. If the £ falls further against other currencies, other places may well be more attractive.

The old line of "we always watched the FA Cup final at home and I have always wanted to play for the famous Rochdale" will be replaced by "I have always wanted to play in Spain, where the rain falls mainly on the plain and you get more Euros...".
 

I should coco said:
Eire is of course independent and not part of Great Britain or the UK, but geographically is part of the British Isles.

For the purposes of this debate I'm sure they can be regarded as 'British' without causing too much controversy ,although of course there is always someone out there just waiting to be offended. Cue.....



It won't.

The UK game is already wash with 'proper' foreigners (i.e. non EU) who currently need work permits. If no deal is reached and there is no free movement, then EU players will need work permits too.

Brexit may well restrict the desire of foreign players to come though. If the £ falls further against other currencies, other places may well be more attractive.

The old line of "we always watched the FA Cup final at home and I have always wanted to play for the famous Rochdale" will be replaced by "I have always wanted to play in Spain, where the rain falls mainly on the plain and you get more Euros...".
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Before I joined the Carrier Bag Firm full time, a small part of my job meant that I was sometimes called to advise on Work Permits for foreign football players. Because of freedom of labour movement within the EU, that meant non-EU players. Essentially, it's a mathematical formula. The basic approach is - we don't give work permits to rubbish players from countries who aren't very good.
So, to automatically qualify for a Work Permit a player had to have played a high proportion of recent internationals for a highly ranked nation.
Under Brexit, there is an argument that new signings from EU countries may have to pass this test. Rather than "has an EU passport'
 
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