For those that didn't renew part 2!

[frechyblade]

For those that didn't renew. It's an attempt to try and drill down into the figures. We have around 26% not renewing could the club have reacted differently to reduce that figure? i.e. sack Mr Blackwell or reduced prices?

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[Grecian2000]

Gone for "Style of football" BUT I link that intrinsically with Blackwell.

 

[Ollessendro]

Good work Frechy.

 

[frechyblade]

Gone for "Style of football" BUT I link that intrinsically with Blackwell.

I've allowed multiple options because I think that it maybe a number of factors that have tipped people over the edge.

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[marshy]

Had to tick them all apart from the two cost ones.

 

[raul]

Rather than have people tick multiple options, wouldn't it be better to ask people to rank in terms of importance?

 

[LouTheBlade]

I'm sorry but I find using one individul (i.e. Blackwell) as an excuse not to renew absolutely ridiculous. Style of football I can half understand.....the same for cost etc. but to put it down to one person???? I know he's the manager and I am completely on the fence regarding him anyway, but no matter how much you want to keep banging on about it HE IS NOT SOLELY RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR DISAPPOINTMENT. Why I'm even trying to get that message across I dont know because for those who choose to be this way - its like watching a dog with a bone!

The trouble with football fans is that they cant accept defeat as a result of multiple factors, nor that it may simply be a case of other teams being better on that occasion. No.....there has to be a scapegoat. Someone to pelt raw tomatoes at or burn at the stake. Primal instincts I suppose which take us back a few hundred years.

"We missed out on the playoffs and the football isnt to my liking.......its all his fault, yes, that one man who manages to run for the players and kick the ball for them and secretly makes all the financial decisions. Did I mention he instructs lady luck not to bother with us today?"

Its all part of this ridiculous blame culture we have in this country where as soon as some shit hits the fan, people have to point at someone and it always has to be narrowed down to A person, or A group. A lot of people were accountable for our failures last season (the manager included) and I acknowledge the mistakes of several parties in things I was unhappy with. But to blame one man and to base your decision not to renew on that is totally beyond anything I can comprehend. Strange, very strange.

 

[Grecian2000]

I'm sorry but I find using one individul (i.e. Blackwell) as an excuse not to renew absolutely ridiculous. Style of football I can half understand.....the same for cost etc. but to put it down to one person???? I know he's the manager and I am completely on the fence regarding him anyway, but no matter how much you want to keep banging on about it HE IS NOT SOLELY RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR DISAPPOINTMENT. Why I'm even trying to get that message across I dont know because for those who choose to be this way - its like watching a dog with a bone!

The trouble with football fans is that they cant accept defeat as a result of multiple factors, nor that it may simply be a case of other teams being better on that occasion. No.....there has to be a scapegoat. Someone to pelt raw tomatoes at or burn at the stake. Primal instincts I suppose which take us back a few hundred years.

"We missed out on the playoffs and the football isnt to my liking.......its all his fault, yes, that one man who manages to run for the players and kick the ball for them and secretly makes all the financial decisions. Did I mention he instructs lady luck not to bother with us today?"

Its all part of this ridiculous blame culture we have in this country where as soon as some shit hits the fan, people have to point at someone and it always has to be narrowed down to A person, or A group. A lot of people were accountable for our failures last season (the manager included) and I acknowledge the mistakes of several parties in things I was unhappy with. But to blame one man and to base your decision not to renew on that is totally beyond anything I can comprehend. Strange, very strange.

Not surprisingly I barely agree with a single word of all that. Why you couldn't just fill out the poll or ignore the thread is a complete mystery to me.

BUT here goes my explanation.

If you are not going to renew then there must be a reason, no? Well that reason is down to the entertainment served up over the last TWO seasons (i.e. the dullest I can remember in 50 years of watching the team). I don't care that we can't win every game, I don't care that we won't get promoted and I don't care that we have to trim our cloth to suit our financial position.
I DO care that under Hoofy we go to away games with the principle idea of not losing, as long as I can remember the better teams TRY and win every game and I can never remember a time when the Blades didn't go out to do this (except when Colin went 4-5-1 on regular occasions in the Prem and I argued this was shit back then).
The home games have been negative (i.e. wingers only get in if they "track back") and boring. Most of our goals are from some sort of punt into the box and someone picking up the pieces. We don't seem to have a plan or a pattern and it is desperate to watch.
McCabe may have given him a poor set of players to work with (I don't think this is totally correct) but the ATTITUDE is the key and I'm afraid it is his lack of attacking intent (and indeed a pair of bollocks) that make him unacceptable to me as our manager.

Something has to be done and the only way I see of making a protest is not to hand over my money for this nonesense to continue.
Shoes off in the car park might be more effective but isn't my style.

 

[frechyblade]

I'm sorry but I find using one individul (i.e. Blackwell) as an excuse not to renew absolutely ridiculous. Style of football I can half understand.....the same for cost etc. but to put it down to one person???? I know he's the manager and I am completely on the fence regarding him anyway, but no matter how much you want to keep banging on about it HE IS NOT SOLELY RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR DISAPPOINTMENT. Why I'm even trying to get that message across I dont know because for those who choose to be this way - its like watching a dog with a bone!

The trouble with football fans is that they cant accept defeat as a result of multiple factors, nor that it may simply be a case of other teams being better on that occasion. No.....there has to be a scapegoat. Someone to pelt raw tomatoes at or burn at the stake. Primal instincts I suppose which take us back a few hundred years.

"We missed out on the playoffs and the football isnt to my liking.......its all his fault, yes, that one man who manages to run for the players and kick the ball for them and secretly makes all the financial decisions. Did I mention he instructs lady luck not to bother with us today?"

Its all part of this ridiculous blame culture we have in this country where as soon as some shit hits the fan, people have to point at someone and it always has to be narrowed down to A person, or A group. A lot of people were accountable for our failures last season (the manager included) and I acknowledge the mistakes of several parties in things I was unhappy with. But to blame one man and to base your decision not to renew on that is totally beyond anything I can comprehend. Strange, very strange.

I put that as an option because I got the sense from a number of the posts on other threads that he was. I'm with you on the fact that it shouldn't be about one person. Similarly I can see where some of those feelings come from. He is THE public face of the club and I don't believe what he is saying most of the time. If you loose trust to that extent then I can see why some people will blame him and him alone. As in any large organisation the person at the top takes the rap for any failings from Gordon Brown to the Tony Hayward from BP.

As I've said elsewhere managers, players and style of play will come and go we will still be there!

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[raul]

Shoes off in the car park might be more effective but isn't my style.

Those pesky shoelaces.

 

[Ollessendro]

Not surprisingly I barely agree with a single word of all that. Why you couldn't just fill out the poll or ignore the thread is a complete mystery to me.

BUT here goes my explanation.

If you are not going to renew then there must be a reason, no? Well that reason is down to the entertainment served up over the last TWO seasons (i.e. the dullest I can remember in 50 years of watching the team). I don't care that we can't win every game, I don't care that we won't get promoted and I don't care that we have to trim our cloth to suit our financial position.
I DO care that under Hoofy we go to away games with the principle idea of not losing, as long as I can remember the better teams TRY and win every game and I can never remember a time when the Blades didn't go out to do this (except when Colin went 4-5-1 on regular occasions in the Prem and I argued this was shit back then).
The home games have been negative (i.e. wingers only get in if they "track back") and boring. Most of our goals are from some sort of punt into the box and someone picking up the pieces. We don't seem to have a plan or a pattern and it is desperate to watch.
McCabe may have given him a poor set of players to work with (I don't think this is totally correct) but the ATTITUDE is the key and I'm afraid it is his lack of attacking intent (and indeed a pair of bollocks) that make him unacceptable to me as our manager.

Something has to be done and the only way I see of making a protest is not to hand over my money for this nonesense to continue.
Shoes off in the car park might be more effective but isn't my style.

top post.

do you want to be in the sunshine gang?

 

[Grecian2000]

What I want, what I really, really want, is to enjoy going and watching MY team again.

Is that too much to ask? It's looking that way.

 

[HoodedClaw]

I'm sorry but I find using one individul (i.e. Blackwell) as an excuse not to renew absolutely ridiculous. Style of football I can half understand.....the same for cost etc. but to put it down to one person???? I know he's the manager and I am completely on the fence regarding him anyway, but no matter how much you want to keep banging on about it HE IS NOT SOLELY RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR DISAPPOINTMENT. Why I'm even trying to get that message across I dont know because for those who choose to be this way - its like watching a dog with a bone!

The trouble with football fans is that they cant accept defeat as a result of multiple factors, nor that it may simply be a case of other teams being better on that occasion. No.....there has to be a scapegoat. Someone to pelt raw tomatoes at or burn at the stake. Primal instincts I suppose which take us back a few hundred years.

"We missed out on the playoffs and the football isnt to my liking.......its all his fault, yes, that one man who manages to run for the players and kick the ball for them and secretly makes all the financial decisions. Did I mention he instructs lady luck not to bother with us today?"

Its all part of this ridiculous blame culture we have in this country where as soon as some shit hits the fan, people have to point at someone and it always has to be narrowed down to A person, or A group. A lot of people were accountable for our failures last season (the manager included) and I acknowledge the mistakes of several parties in things I was unhappy with. But to blame one man and to base your decision not to renew on that is totally beyond anything I can comprehend. Strange, very strange.

Apart from Grecians excellent explanation, Blackwell may well not be SOLELY RESPONSIBLE FOR MY DISAPPOINTMENT as you put it, but as Frechy says he's allowed us to have multiple reasons as to why hence him being an option.

 

[LouTheBlade]

If you are not going to renew then there must be a reason, no?

Who is questioning that?

I DO care that under Hoofy we go to away games with the principle idea of not losing, as long as I can remember the better teams TRY and win every game and I can never remember a time when the Blades didn't go out to do this (except when Colin went 4-5-1 on regular occasions in the Prem and I argued this was shit back then).?

Apparently you can never remember a time.....yet you mention one within the same sentence and the manager in question is beloved by a number of people on here. I can also point to almost every final/semi-final we have played in modern memory as a further example of this. United have done that numerous time though infrequently (under various managers). You just choose not to remember it as it suits your agenda.

The home games have been negative (i.e. wingers only get in if they "track back") and boring.)

I'm afraid asking wingers to track back is a part of the modern game and any side using two banks of four instructs its wide men to do this. Having played football to a reasonable level I also know that it is the first thing most coaches drum into winger's heads. Of course your idea of leaving full backs completely exposed is a good one to..........

Most of our goals are from some sort of punt into the box and someone picking up the pieces. We don't seem to have a plan or a pattern and it is desperate to watch.

Really?! Well I go to every game and dont remember that. But if thats the case we must be bloody good at it because we scored 62 goals in total not a world beating tally by any means, but if most of those came from long balls we're either the new Wimbledon or Championship defences are wank!

Something has to be done and the only way I see of making a protest is not to hand over my money for this nonesense to continue.

Thats your entitlement. But this "nonsense" has been going on for a number of years pal. United never change, so I suggest you dont let it drive you crazy and just accept them for what they are - a perpetual second tier club! Blackwell and Warnock are the same animal and Bassett wasn't much different apart from being a bit better at it and doing it at a time when it worked.

Shoes off in the car park might be more effective but isn't my style.

Good, I'm genuinely glad to hear that because I find such things sad. Its a football club, not a political scandal. Nothing about eleven over paid blokes kicking a ball around makes me want to stand in a car park protesting..........

 

[Eskimo]

What I don't understand is why people who have decided , for whatever reason, that they dont want to support United by going to the matches they spend so much time interested in what the club and rest of us who still go are doing. Isn't it like packing your girl/boy friend and still hanging around their front door?

 

[LouTheBlade]

What I don't understand is why people who have decided , for whatever reason, that they dont want to support United by going to the matches they spend so much time interested in what the club and rest of us who still go are doing. Isn't it like packing your girl/boy friend and still hanging around their front door?

Precisely what most of the rest of us wonder when we read the serial ramblings of nonsense. I liken it to what a child does when they get the face on....."no I dont want it!".......then they kick and scream when they havent got it and make everyone else's life a misery in the process.

Having said that, there is the option not to read the rubbish that's written. Which is what I used to do. Sadly I have shown weakness in rising to what are obvious attempts to draw arguments from other posters. People with strong opinions will almost never listen to any reason or common sense so its a waste of time really. Best just leaving them to it if you can

 

[Fiery Blade]

What I don't understand is why people who have decided , for whatever reason, that they dont want to support United by going to the matches they spend so much time interested in what the club and rest of us who still go are doing. Isn't it like packing your girl/boy friend and still hanging around their front door?

Read the Question!!!!!
It's not about going to the Lane to support the Blades its about renewing season tickets
I will NOT purchase a Season Ticket which commits me to watching every home game to ensure value of savings whilst Blackwell is in charge of team affairs!!!
I will attend the Lane on a basis of team improvement or the prospect of more entertaining football on a match by match basis.
Blackwell does not inspire confidence in me and added to the fact that he is an arrogant, self centred, egotistical bully with limited managerial skills I would rather pick and choose my games thank you very much!
It's not about not supporting the Blades it's about making a point
Great Post Grecian - Welcome to the Sunshine Gang!

 

[Ollessendro]

don't blame it on the sunshine, don't blame it on the moon light, don't blame on the good times, just balme it on erm Blackie.


only problem with mutliple options (no crticism Frechy) is that it will throw the percentages out. Looking at the 30 or so who haven't renewed to determine why might be more difficult as they have picked more than one answer.

 

[marshy]

Since when did not buying a season ticket equate to having no interest in the club?

 

[happyhippy]

What I want, what I really, really want, is to enjoy going and watching MY team again.

Is that too much to ask? It's looking that way.

Exactly.

I can, and I'm sure many others can remember times when we were truly appalling, but it was still fun. Through most of the last couple of years, I've had the sense of complete and utter impending doom on Saturday mornings (or whenever we're told to play by TV). I can live with us being shit, nearly men, dull, or plain mediocre, but when the whole experiece ruins my day, it's time for a break, at least.

 

[dingledog]

I can't wait for the 'i didn't renew and don't go but they are rubbish' posts to clutter the board up after Sunday.

 

[marshy]

I can't wait for the 'i didn't renew and don't go but they are rubbish' posts to clutter the board up after Sunday.

Is that because anyone who doesn't go to Cardiff and hasn't got a ST isn't allowed to have an opinion, never mind the fact they might have watched it on TV?

Did you think England were rubbish in the WC? Chances are you weren't there and aren't a member of the England Supporters club.

 

[super_pig]

>What I don't understand is why people who have decided , for whatever reason
it's perfectly simple actually.. all i'm saying is that i'm unwilling to commit close on 400 bar UPFRONT .. so it's like getting off with a bird and saying 'ok i'll go to bed with you but i'm not going to marry you because of it.. yet'.. see i'm interested but waiting to see how it progresses first
(isn't mr blackwell and the style of football the same thing

 

[frechyblade]

My attempt to summarize/analyze the figures:

The idea was to see what impact the club had on the non-renewers and how many wouldn't/couldn't renew inspite of anything the club could have done. We had 46 that actually voted with over 50% saying either Style and or KB where the reason, with a further 4 saying that had it been cheaper they would have. around 40% stated reasons that the club had no control over. My simplistic take is that the club could have done something to stop 60% of the non-renewers (around 2400 based on predictions from the 'did you renew' poll), whether that was removing Mr Blackwell or Mr Blackwell changing his style of play is open for debate. Would losing £960k (2400 x £400) be sufficent to push the club to address this? Stopping short of sacking KB what could the club have done? As someone mentioned elsewhere I think communication is shocking, I know that the management and board met at the end of last season and agreed that a change of style was necessary to both satisfy the fans but also as a way of moving the club forward. I don't think that the message has been clearly shared with the fans, maybe down to the fact that we are sceptical of anything that is said.


Obviously allowing multiple options have messed with the percentages and I have used some amount of summizing and guesswork.

What really saddens me is the non-renewal by fans that have been around for seasons. I'm not overly bothered about the glory hunting fans that came on board when we got to the premiership and expect everything in the garden to be rosy. In fact I really hope we have got shut of them especially the moaning so and so's that appeared around me!

Thank you to those of you that took time to complete the poll.

I'm looking forward to the season starting, hoping to see football played on the ground and not 7ft in the air.

UTB

 

[gregblade]

I had to tick 4 boxes.........they are all a contributing factor to me and my dad not renewing.

Firstly, there is an element of Blackwell/Style of football for not renewing. That boiled down to me having a season ticket last year (renewing after Wembley) but I became tired off spending what little amount of spare cash I had on a Saturday afternoon and 9 times out of 10 I came away unhappy. This resulted in me missing almost half of the season because by Christmas, I'd had enough and practically gave my ticket away.

The cost was also an issue for me, almost no change out of £500. Now I wouldn't argue at paying that to watch the United of 3/4 years ago but I dont see why I should scrimp and save to watch a group of players that we have begged, stealed and borrowed. The loan situation again last season drove me mad, literally. We were loaning players out of shear desperation and they added nothing but bodies to our squad.

Also, generally I think im losing interest in football in general. Im only 23 years old but even I appreciate that money is running the english game. Nearly every top 10 premier league club is foreign owned and run. The transfer market is an absolute joke (we can thank Chelsea, Real Madrid and Man City for that). Top all that off with this years world cup which was a drab affair in general let alone watching a group of players the jointly "earn" over £1million a week in wages and yet can not pass it 10 yards or beat the first man from a corner.....