Football league clubs vote to alter academy rules

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This isn't good news. Not sure how it will affect United but smaller clubs might think twice about running youth setups at all.

In short, there won't be any limit on how far away major clubs can recruit from and the tribunal system will be replaced by a fixed fee per year. If we got another Jacob Mellis we'd get about £100k rather than the £1.1m we actually banked.

The only good side is that limits on the amount of coaching juniors receive has been lifted.

Guardian article on Football League vote
 

Not quite the full story. It gets worse.

The limits on coaching have been lifted for category 1 academies only.

Category 1 academies have to have an annual budget of 2.3 million pounds and a staff of at least 18.

So much for relying on youth, eh?
 
You forgot the most important bit: if they voted against it, the Premier League threatened to stop their annual payment of £5million (to be shared out among all 72 league clubs) for 'youth development'. Sounds like blackmail to me.
 
You forgot the most important bit: if they voted against it, the Premier League threatened to stop their annual payment of £5million (to be shared out among all 72 league clubs) for 'youth development'. Sounds like blackmail to me.

£5 split between 72 clubs... all heart, ain't they?
 
You forgot the most important bit: if they voted against it, the Premier League threatened to stop their annual payment of £5million (to be shared out among all 72 league clubs) for 'youth development'. Sounds like blackmail to me.
this is the trouble with having football clubs run by business men
a principled man would make a stand and accept the loss ,looking more long term than next years blance loss

long term this is the death of football
 
long term this is the death of football

Funny you should say that. Just this morning I was thinking of writing a book about all of this (plus the TV rights issue last week, and the 'no relegation' plan etc) and calling it "The Death of Football".
 
Funny you should say that. Just this morning I was thinking of writing a book about all of this (plus the TV rights issue last week, and the 'no relegation' plan etc) and calling it "The Death of Football".
its all linked isnt it ,the men in suits seem to be diverting attention away from the real issues involved in killing the game by releasing well timed storys about tv rights and 38 th games while the more serious and damaging things are going largely unoticed
 
Its not a beautiful game its a business dictated by greedy money men with no interest in the game (Dave Whelan apart)

The sooner it implodes the better.

I was actually thinking today about when the PL actually became dull? Sure you get the odd upset, but the divide between the money rich Chelsea, Man U, Man City is getting daft. Most games are no longer competive.

We were a part of the PL, but we were lambs to the slaughter against the top teams, we can't compete, even big clubs like Arsenal, Liverpool, Villa, Spurs, Everton can't compete.

Its a shambles and I don't even think that the games at the top end are particularly good to watch, too one sided.

EVEN the pigs with their 300,000 gates are struggling to break the top 6 nowadays....

But I have a plan...

We need to turn the pitch at Bramall lane into a mud bath, the pitch is too good and there is no longer a "leveler" rip up the pitch flood it with water, mud, sewerage, sand and just general filth and the pretty boy ponces won't want to play against us.
 
Its not a beautiful game its a business dictated by greedy money men with no interest in the game (Dave Whelan apart)

The sooner it implodes the better.

I was actually thinking today about when the PL actually became dull? Sure you get the odd upset, but the divide between the money rich Chelsea, Man U, Man City is getting daft. Most games are no longer competive.

We were a part of the PL, but we were lambs to the slaughter against the top teams, we can't compete, even big clubs like Arsenal, Liverpool, Villa, Spurs, Everton can't compete.

Its a shambles and I don't even think that the games at the top end are particularly good to watch, too one sided.

EVEN the pigs with their 300,000 gates are struggling to break the top 6 nowadays....

But I have a plan...

We need to turn the pitch at Bramall lane into a mud bath, the pitch is too good and there is no longer a "leveler" rip up the pitch flood it with water, mud, sewerage, sand and just general filth and the pretty boy ponces won't want to play against us.

The problem is though that as long as people keep going to the matches, buying Sky packages etc, nothing will change. It would take a steep drop in attendances to persuade the PL clubs to configure the league to make it more competitive.
 
The moment the Preimer League was formed its a pity the Football League didn't break away and start with a 72 club, 3 division system. The more I hear from the Premier League the more I detest it. Football in the Premier League is a non contact sport played by, on the whole, johnny foreigners and is not the same game I fell in love with in 1977. These new rules are again all about the Premier League yet again. When this elite league was thought up I thought it was supposed help the national side?
Watching us in League 1 this season has certainly perked me up and made me realise there is life outside the top flight.
Sorry rant over. UTB!
 
Under today's rules, what would we have got for the Kyle's?

Absolutely diddly point in having an Academy now, shut it down and just pick up rejects - and there'll be hundreds to choose from given they can only have 25 man first team squads - from the Prem Clubs.
 
£4.75 and the promise of at least another tenner if we get another 3 world class players we need to get rid of for "sound financial reasons"

MunXy
 
football has signed its own death certificate today

Not sure it's today, judge. This is what is already happening:

Revealed: The secrets of English football's child catchers

By Neil Ashton

Last updated at 11:36 PM on 11th October 2011

A chauffeur opens the door of a sleek, black limousine and a 15-year-old boy in a club tracksuit jumps out.
Two hours later he has finished training, showered and changed, and is in the back seat on the way to his parents’ home in south London.
This is the power game being played by agents in 2011, muscling in on top young talent with increasingly elaborate and daring ploys to secure their signatures.
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Lurking: Agents are targeting players of younger and younger ages

Others are more cynical, standing at the training ground gates to offer impressionable academy recruits cold, hard cash or a smart watch to flash in front of his team-mates.
One leading agent today admits immoral practices are ‘rife’, a chairman compares it to ‘slavery’, a coach claims players are brainwashed to believe they are ‘the next Messi’ and one father accuses agents of being ‘shady’.
These are the kind of problems being faced by clubs up and down the country as agents employ increasingly desperate measures to make a mint from the game.
According to FIFA there are 450 agents licensed by the FA, but it is generally accepted that there are just as many working legitimately for law firms and the same again operating outside the system.
The shadowy characters working outside the rules are the scourge of football, a source of frustration to the passionate employees of clubs who spend £1million a year or more developing a diminishing talent pool.
Crystal Palace operate one of the most successful youth projects in English football, yet they face a constant battle against the predators who lurk at the end of the driveway to their Beckenham training centre.
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Promises: Young players are often told by agents they could be 'the next Messi'

‘Players are vulnerable at an early age and the access to youngsters disturbs me,’ admitted Palace co-chairman Steve Parish.
‘It’s like slavery or child trafficking. I’ve had agents come into my office to tell me they are taking one of my players, who has lived in south London all his life, to Benfica because the compensation is less and the rules on agents are less stringent.
‘They put families under their spell and engineer situations to get them out of the country. These are the problems we have to face.
‘As a club we have healthy relationships with a lot of agents, but some of the things we have to deal with is incredible. At Palace we have knowledge of watches and cash being offered to players and their families and in one case we had to put a stop to a young player being driven into training by his prospective agent.’
Player trading is still big business, with £80million spent on agents’ fees across all four divisions, according to Deloitte’s annual review of football finance.
The best in the business can expect to earn between £700,000-£1m a year, creaming off commissions for moving the best talent around the top clubs in Europe.
Tim Sherwood, now assistant first-team coach at Tottenham, said: ‘Far too many agents claim they can open this door and that door, telling their players that they are going to be the next Messi. It’s frustrating for coaches because we then have to deal with and manage those expectations.
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Frustrations: Tottenham coach Tim Sherwood laments the false promises of agents

‘My first agent was Eric Hall and I never once let him talk to me about my football — the best people for that are the coaches. I told my agent what I wanted and he went away to get it for me if he could and that’s the way it should be.’
The competition is fierce and the stampede to reach young talent at an all-time high. It is not uncommon for the parents of academy recruits to meet up to 20 agents, inviting them into their homes to listen to their sales pitches over endless cups of tea.
Adam Pearson, head of football operations at Hull City, said: ‘I’ve noticed over the past few years that agents’ methods are becoming increasingly extravagant.
‘Aside from the usual stories about inducements, a lot of agents employ “runners”, leg men to do their work by getting to the players through new social media such as Twitter and Facebook.
‘Some agents appear fixated on youth-team football, but our head of youth, Billy Russell, tries to shield them as much as possible.
‘We want our senior players to provide the guidance for them as they develop their careers.’
Chelsea and Manchester United are among those taking action at the top of the game, protecting their players from the menace within. They will not allow an agent into an academy fixture unless they have been invited, but some of the more unscrupulous characters adopt cunning methods to convince players they can be superstars. article-2047945-0E517E4500000578-899_306x423.jpg
Shady: The stepfather of John Bostock reveals he was lied to by agents

Last month Andy Carroll’s former agent Peter Harrison admitted he had bought young players cars as a sweetener, claiming it was a ‘business decision’.
Mick Brown, the stepfather of Tottenham midfielder John Bostock, said: ‘A lot of agents make a lot of promises that they cannot fulfil and they will say anything to try to convince you. Some of them are very shady, but we are very happy with the direction John has taken now.’
Chelsea’s respected academy director, Neil Bath, will not talk to a player’s agent until his credentials have been verified with club secretary Dave Barnard and the player’s parents.
Base Soccer’s head of recruitment Eric Walters has been playing it straight for years, ultra-professional in his dealings with clubs and honest in his evaluation of a player’s potential when he sits down with his parents.
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Taking a stand: Hull City chairman Adam Pearson has also encountered many shady characters

Walters is high-end, representing Ashley Young, Bobby Zamora and Steve Sidwell, but he is often asked to assess a promising player as part of Base’s strategy.
He said: ‘When agents lie, embellish and exaggerate about one of their players it’s a surefire way to lose a client. Inducing players or offering cash to their parents often happens when an agent does not have a track record in the game — his only weapon is money.
‘That kind of practice is rife among one-man bands, but it’s not something you will encounter at an established, professional agency.
‘Part of the problem in the game is the parents of these boys read papers and watch TV believing everyone is earning £200,000 a week and that their son should be, too. Their heads can be turned. Parents will say the inducements don’t happen, but they do.’
Base, SEM, First Artist and James Grant are among the most powerful agencies in football, boasting talent rosters with some of the biggest names in the game.
They have a track record in player development, but some agents convince players they will be on the fast-track to success if they sign on the dotted line.
After that, it often ends in tears.

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I've been saying for years that the sooner the rich clubs fuck off into a European super league, the better. I hated the whole concept of the PL from the beginning, and it has turned out to be worst than I feared. It's a brilliant example of what unfettered capitalism results in.
 
I've been saying for years that the sooner the rich clubs fuck off into a European super league, the better. I hated the whole concept of the PL from the beginning, and it has turned out to be worst than I feared. It's a brilliant example of what unfettered capitalism results in.

What I never understood is why the lesser clubs forming the PL (including SUFC) didn't tell the handful of big clubs to sod off when the PL idea was mooted. Surely they should have realised it was not in their long term interests.
 
what i never understood is why the lesser clubs forming the pl (including sufc) didn't tell the handful of big clubs to sod off when the pl idea was mooted. Surely they should have realised it was not in their long term interests.

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It seems that this will signal the end of Academies for teams like United. We've done very well in recent years, but I think the model was always flawed. We do all the work, and others nip in and benefit.

I'm sure that the two Kyles will be seen as an exception and Slew the rule.

It's the law of the jungle. We see our talent poached by bigger clubs just as we've benefited with cases such as Paddy from Bury.
 
It seems that this will signal the end of Academies for teams like United. We've done very well in recent years, but I think the model was always flawed. We do all the work, and others nip in and benefit.

I'm sure that the two Kyles will be seen as an exception and Slew the rule.

It's the law of the jungle. We see our talent poached by bigger clubs just as we've benefited with cases such as Paddy from Bury.

The way I saw it presented was that clubs with good academies (us?) voted against but those who haven't got a good academy voted for, as they weren't getting any fees in in the first place.

Does anyone know how we voted?
 
It's been coming for years.

I can see the European Super League coming together in a few years, or they may even revert to NHL style leagues where you have 20/30 teams in a league, with amateur leagues lower down where all teams are co-owned by the top franchises and get the pick of their best players.
 
You forgot the most important bit: if they voted against it, the Premier League threatened to stop their annual payment of £5million (to be shared out among all 72 league clubs) for 'youth development'. Sounds like blackmail to me.

A loss of £69k per club if they don't kow-tow to the Premier League Fancy Dans.

Such a Parcel of Rogues in a Nation...
 
Does anyone know how we voted?

There's an article in The Stir about us keeping our Academy but has the quote "Although United have yet to reveal their official stance on the EPPP, or whether they were among the four clubs who either failed to attend the vote or abstained, a spokesperson told The Star"
 
Football is slowly eating itself led by the greed of the so-called top clubs.

I just wish it would get a move on so we can start again.

I count myself lucky to have watched football in the late 70s, 80s and to some degree part of the 90s - even though United were shit for most of it.

I'm all for a European Super League to replace the prem. Let the top 5 or 6 just sod off (their fans will eventually beg to come back to domestic competition against local rivals) so we can have proper competition and we can at least dream of success again (even though SUFC will of course cock it up anyway).

Seems another lifetime when the likes of Norwich and the pigs were seriously competing to be champions.

Football seems determined to grab every last penny from every place it can in its blinkered frenzy of short term greed.
 
I'm all for a European Super League to replace the prem. Let the top 5 or 6 just sod off (their fans will eventually beg to come back to domestic competition against local rivals) so we can have proper competition and we can at least dream of success again (even though SUFC will of course cock it up anyway).

Know what you mean Tuns but even if the top four (even six) clubs broke away and joined The Samsung Champions Budweiser League of Europe (Sponsered by MacDonalds), the same problem would exist. Money is the only driver and whatever entity remains in English football after the breakaway would be just as obsessed with generating revenue as the PL is.

Another thing that strikes me is that this Academy system seems to be linked to the development of the England team. We get Trevor Brooking and the FA saying we need to develop youth. What they actually mean is "We need to ensure all the top young talent is able to be poached by the top teams to improve their chances of making the national team".
 
Its not a beautiful game its a business dictated by greedy money men with no interest in the game (Dave Whelan apart).....

That'd be the same Dave Whelan whose company, JJB Sports, were found guilty of price fixing the costs of replica football shirts then.

the Grauniad said:
a fine for JJB and nine other retailers from the Office of Fair Trading for fixing prices of England and Manchester United shirts in 2000-2001.

Yep. Good old honest Dave Whelan.
 
That'd be the same Dave Whelan whose company, JJB Sports, were found guilty of price fixing the costs of replica football shirts then.



Yep. Good old honest Dave Whelan.

You're confusing honesty and an interest in the game and let's be fair, man u fans deserve everything they get
 
You're confusing honesty and an interest in the game and let's be fair, man u fans deserve everything they get

So it doesn't matter if you're honest or not, just have an "interest in the game".

It wasn't Man Utd who were ripped off, it was their fans, and also England fans. It just strikes me as interesting how Dave Whelan is suddenly a saint, when previously he was just another greedy shop owner.
 

So it doesn't matter if you're honest or not, just have an "interest in the game".

It wasn't Man Utd who were ripped off, it was their fans, and also England fans. It just strikes me as interesting how Dave Whelan is suddenly a saint, when previously he was just another greedy shop owner.

I didn't say that did i, Silly Shoreham. But on that point, name me an honest owner of a football club?

And to be fair, JJB didn't necessarily affect the way he runs his football club.

It wasn't Man Utd who were ripped off, it was their fans, and also England fans. It just strikes me as interesting how Dave Whelan is suddenly a saint, when previously he was just another greedy shop owner.

Yes correct SV, thats why I said Man U FANS and not the club.

I never said he was a greedy shop owner, i've always said that he's a good chairman/ owner. I can't think of another thats better in the top 2 divisions, hence saying Dave Whelan apart
 

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