Few points from tonight

[1889]

Taking Clarke off didn’t weaken us, I thought Choudhury was a decent replacement and has previously played there for Leicester. I don’t recall them create any attacks down our right side in the second half.

Their opening goal came after Hamer had gone awol, leaving Burrows with two players to deal with. The third came from our left hand side as well? FWIW, I thought Cannon put in his best performance since joining, I realise that’s a fairly low bar, but I think it does offer some optimism, where previously I had none.

Can’t really criticise Wilder, started out with a great attacking style, took the game to them and fought for every ball, which was unfortunately lost with the introduction of the subs. But who would have argued with him bringing on Hamer or Cannon for a tiring Campbell? Possibly, if anything, he over did the substitutions, surely we have some players who can play 90 minutes? Not sure if he’s getting a cut of the players appearance bonuses, but once he starts there’s no stopping him. It’ll be interesting to see, come the end of the season, if we’ve won more points before (with next to no subs available ) or after January (with lots of available subs)

At least we gave it a go, only to be undone at the end, but hopefully he will adopt that same tempo of play for the remaining fixtures, rather than the sideways, backwards, dirge of recent weeks.

 

[Crafty Blade]

Everything about Bogle's departure from this club deserves booing, especially coming back in that kit in a match of this stature.

 

[Slug]

Pretty much agree with the OP.
The problems began when Campbell was taken off.
And if anyone believes it was a purely tactical decision then give your head a wobble. Sadly he can't yet last 90 mins at full throttle and that ain't Wilder's fault. He and BBD were frightening them to death.
Neither are fully fit yet so they had to be subbed.
Hamer is probably nowhere near fit. Again that's not Wilder's fault.
Sadly we ran out of gas against what is probably the 2nd best team in the league.
We badly miss Soutar - so who do the experts on here suggest we should have bought? Players like him who are available to us don't come round too often. Hopefully his injury heals properly and we can get himagain - no matter we be in Prem or not.

Maybe if we had put the £10m towards a much needed Souttar replacement, rather than an unneeded Brewster replacement, and loaned a Campbell replacement (Adam Armstrong?) we could have been in a much stronger position?

To be fair to him, and I’m not suggesting he’s faultless, but most times those around us laid into him for that, he’d made a decision I’d seen coming earlier in the passage of play due to Rak-Sakyis decision making. He was caught between covering inside and coming out, often with effectively two men.

To be fair to Rak-Sakyi too, he was being encouraged to do more both ways… so was being hammered by the lads further forward for not being on the front foot, whilst being called out for not tracking back.

It was pretty clear that JRS had been told to be on the front foot and push Firpo back for the first 20-25 mins but I think it was incredibly naive from us to not tell him to sit back in for a bit once Leeds started murdering us down that side and making Clarke look a c**t.

 

[Plymouthblade]

Fuck bogle but quite agree with the rest
We bottlled it not good enough from 25 minutes in

 

[Champagneblade]

I can’t help but feel that tactical suggestions now are tarnished by the benefit of hindsight.

On one hand going 5 at the back harks back to the half boiled plan of the away game.

That said, I would have found the following more compelling.

1. Choudhury for Clarke; injury driven, but in this set of circumstances, perhaps Peck to RWB and Choudhury aside Souza as a blocker when we move to 3-5-2 part way through the second half.

2. Moore for the tiring Campbell; as Cannon could not offer more of the same, then offer a different challenge, occupy the centre halves and allow us to retain ball better in their half.

3. Holding for Rak-Sakyi and switch to 5-4-1; we must have anticipated they would grow into the game and get crosses in. Having an experienced blocker there might have made a positive difference.

4. McCallum for Brereton-Diaz. Offer more protection to Burrows, good aerial presence and possibility to let Burrows remain further forward in more of a 5-4-1 formation, with O’Hare to the right.

This would mean not bringing on Hamer or Cannon, but I’m not convinced the match situation merited it at that point, especially if one had iffy fitness and the other didn’t have the tools needed at the time.

No saying what would happen but I think Moore would have been more use than Cannon when expected to defend, Holding would have helped and so would McCallum in quelling their attacking play.

Who knows eh?

 

[SouthStandGBlock]

We played well tonight, but did what we have done all season and not finished teams off. We simply don't score enough goals to make it easy for ourselves. With the exception of the Oxford and Middlesbrough games, we haven't scored more than 2 all season. We should have had, and needed 2 goals against Leeds. Had lots of chances first 20 minutes to do this.

Since Souttar left our defence is nowhere near as good as it was. Robinson did ok last night, but he's not the answer and not a replacement for Souttar

I can't decide whether Cannon is any good or not, as he simply hasn't done anything to judge him. I'm concerned "Blind spot Wilder" has struck again, where he simply has to have a particular player, or he'll have a flounce. Wilder is good at picking up cheap players, but gets lost when he has big money to spend. Brewster, Berge, Mousset, Ramsdale are all examples of this. Players who have gone backwards in value after we have paid a lot of money for them. Let's hope Cannon proves to be the exception.

 

[CarlMcBlade]

Taking Clarke off didn’t weaken us, I thought Choudhury was a decent replacement and has previously played there for Leicester. I don’t recall them create any attacks down our right side in the second half.

Their opening goal came after Hamer had gone awol, leaving Burrows with two players to deal with. The third came from our left hand side as well? FWIW, I thought Cannon put in his best performance since joining, I realise that’s a fairly low bar, but I think it does offer some optimism, where previously I had none.

Can’t really criticise Wilder, started out with a great attacking style, took the game to them and fought for every ball, which was unfortunately lost with the introduction of the subs. But who would have argued with him bringing on Hamer or Cannon for a tiring Campbell? Possibly, if anything, he over did the substitutions, surely we have some players who can play 90 minutes? Not sure if he’s getting a cut of the players appearance bonuses, but once he starts there’s no stopping him. It’ll be interesting to see, come the end of the season, if we’ve won more points before (with next to no subs available ) or after January (with lots of available subs)

At least we gave it a go, only to be undone at the end, but hopefully he will adopt that same tempo of play for the remaining fixtures, rather than the sideways, backwards, dirge of recent weeks.

Yeah, the subs would have worked if we had continued with the press and the intensity…but we didn’t, we reverted to type. We became very passive, lost our shape, started pissing about a the back and let them come on to us. Their possession game instantly moved 30 yards further up the pitch.

 

[Millhousesblade1889]

Taking Clarke off didn’t weaken us, I thought Choudhury was a decent replacement and has previously played there for Leicester. I don’t recall them create any attacks down our right side in the second half.

Their opening goal came after Hamer had gone awol, leaving Burrows with two players to deal with. The third came from our left hand side as well? FWIW, I thought Cannon put in his best performance since joining, I realise that’s a fairly low bar, but I think it does offer some optimism, where previously I had none.

Can’t really criticise Wilder, started out with a great attacking style, took the game to them and fought for every ball, which was unfortunately lost with the introduction of the subs. But who would have argued with him bringing on Hamer or Cannon for a tiring Campbell? Possibly, if anything, he over did the substitutions, surely we have some players who can play 90 minutes? Not sure if he’s getting a cut of the players appearance bonuses, but once he starts there’s no stopping him. It’ll be interesting to see, come the end of the season, if we’ve won more points before (with next to no subs available ) or after January (with lots of available subs)

At least we gave it a go, only to be undone at the end, but hopefully he will adopt that same tempo of play for the remaining fixtures, rather than the sideways, backwards, dirge of recent weeks.

Solomon & James are by far the two best wingers in the league followed closely by Gnonto. That's the level of talent we were up against, I thought we handled them in every other department of the pitch but out wide they were far better than us & doubled up with their full-backs joining in every attack.

We should have probably gone 5 at the back sooner than we did & tried to get a draw at 1-1 with the occasional break.

 

[SUFC Guy]

We were beaten simply by a better team with better players end of.

IF we still had Souttar then 2 of their goals may well have not happened but hey ho.

We are 2 points clear of 3rd place and 8 points clear of 4th place. It's now ours to win or lose.

Win the next 3 going into the Derby and we're well back on track.

UTB
FTP

 

[CarlMcBlade]

Maybe if we had put the £10m towards a much needed Souttar replacement, rather than an unneeded Brewster replacement, and loaned a Campbell replacement (Adam Armstrong?) we could have been in a much stronger position?



It was pretty clear that JRS had been told to be on the front foot and push Firpo back for the first 20-25 mins but I think it was incredibly naive from us to not tell him to sit back in for a bit once Leeds started murdering us down that side and making Clarke look a c**t

Yes, Leeds we’re genuinely concerned when JRS had ball, he was also getting his foot in too. But there is also certain disconnect between him and whoever plays at right back.

 

[utd4ever]

He cost eight up front. Glad to see you welcoming our new players to the club and giving them a fair crack of the whip . Supporters masterclass.

Supporters masterclass?

Don’t you mean Wilder masterclass.

You can see it coming every time he gets money.

 

[Rufus Smalls]

Yeah, the subs would have worked if we had continued with the press and the intensity…but we didn’t, we reverted to type. We became very passive, lost our shape, started pissing about a the back and let them come on to us. Their possession game instantly moved 30 yards further up the pitch.

Agreed that we reverted to slowing the game down at 1-0 up. It was noticeable that when we were in front and Cooper had the ball, the wide defenders weren’t offering themselves for a quick out ball. Instead it was slow everything down, Leeds had time to regroup and then Cooper punted it forward and then it was a tussle for the ball.

 

[BLADES1988]

The sausage rolls were fantastic

 

[CarlMcBlade]

Agreed that we reverted to slowing the game down at 1-0 up. It was noticeable that when we were in front and Cooper had the ball, the wide defenders weren’t offering themselves for a quick out ball. Instead it was slow everything down, Leeds had time to regroup and then Cooper punted it forward and then it was a tussle for the ball.

Yeah, a second goal for us would have stretched their game, we had them on the back foot…But at 1-0 they always knew they could turn it around…

 

[nopigfansintown]

Supporters masterclass?

Don’t you mean Wilder masterclass.

You can see it coming every time he gets money.

Whoosh

 

[N20 Blade]

I can’t help but feel that tactical suggestions now are tarnished by the benefit of hindsight.

On one hand going 5 at the back harks back to the half boiled plan of the away game.

That said, I would have found the following more compelling.

1. Choudhury for Clarke; injury driven, but in this set of circumstances, perhaps Peck to RWB and Choudhury aside Souza as a blocker when we move to 3-5-2 part way through the second half.

2. Moore for the tiring Campbell; as Cannon could not offer more of the same, then offer a different challenge, occupy the centre halves and allow us to retain ball better in their half.

3. Holding for Rak-Sakyi and switch to 5-4-1; we must have anticipated they would grow into the game and get crosses in. Having an experienced blocker there might have made a positive difference.

4. McCallum for Brereton-Diaz. Offer more protection to Burrows, good aerial presence and possibility to let Burrows remain further forward in more of a 5-4-1 formation, with O’Hare to the right.

This would mean not bringing on Hamer or Cannon, but I’m not convinced the match situation merited it at that point, especially if one had iffy fitness and the other didn’t have the tools needed at the time.

No saying what would happen but I think Moore would have been more use than Cannon when expected to defend, Holding would have helped and so would McCallum in quelling their attacking play.

Who knows eh?

It's difficult, isn't it, to be objective after the event. When Hamer came on, I thought it was a positive move, we would go for the jugular, but in the end it worked against us. Given the squad nature of the game now, the ability of the manager to change personnel and tactics is more critical than ever.

I was talking to a pig friend of mine last week at barnet v york, we got on to rohl, and he said that was his greatest attribute. To make changes and changes that worked. Their points from a losing position and late goals are impressive. The difference being all his work is stat related. I like wilder, but i do worry that his old school approach will find him out.

 

[Pittsburg Blade]

Two free headers did us, simple as that.

Of the hundreds of post game comments this is the best.