Fan Advisory Board

[Sean Thornton]

He didn't. I think this was the second time he made this type of allegation re United. Passing strange when the only other complaint we've had was after a scrap outside after a Norwich game.

Imo, he was attempting to draw a false equivalence between crowd safety at Hillsborough and Bramall Lane after they had come under significant pressure after the first two derbies post our promotion back to the Champ. This was made more pronounced after a "dangerous"Cup tie they had against Newcastle. He should recuse himself from this issue.

Ironically he would later call for the demolishing of the stand implying that the taxpayer should build a new one:

Sheffield MP calls for demolition of Hillsborough's West Stand

Clive Betts says it is a 'disgrace' the stand at the Leppings Lane end is still standing.

www.bbc.co.uk

On balance, he did turn up for the photo op with Bean et al at the HOC over the Tevez affair

He frequents a sandwich shop in town where the owner shoots his load over the lettuce every time he walks in. Shouts is Clives order ready, despite a number of customers waiting, while Betts, to his credit, embarrassed, joins the back of the queue.

 

[ghandi]

In my few dealings with Betts I've always found him to be a complete shitbag both before and after he became a MP

If Betts has a motive to persuade the EFL to punish SUFC how does he manage to do that with the other MPs (Toby Perkins is ST holder at the Lane) in attendance in the 17th Sept meeting?

 

[metalblade]

If Betts has a motive to persuade the EFL to punish SUFC how does he manage to do that with the other MPs (Toby Perkins is ST holder at the Lane) in attendance in the 17th Sept meeting?

As others have said above he is a pig through and through with past form for stirring the shit against United. He should stick to protesting about the demolishion of old signal boxes like he did at Beighton, much more important than the homeless sleeping in city centre shop doorways.

 

[RandomBlade]

No, but he has form for attacking SUFC over crowd safety. When asked to put up or shut up by the club (who had the footage) you can guess which one he did. As far as I know he never withdrew his remarks. It'll be interesting if he'll be campaigning for no deductions like he did for his own team :

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If Betts has a motive to persuade the EFL to punish SUFC how does he manage to do that with the other MPs (Toby Perkins is ST holder at the Lane) in attendance in the 17th Sept meeting?

Bigger gob and got Hog Staton pushing it on radio pig.

 

[Bladesman]

If Betts has a motive to persuade the EFL to punish SUFC how does he manage to do that with the other MPs (Toby Perkins is ST holder at the Lane) in attendance in the 17th Sept meeting?

Well considering he has made baseless accusations against the club and refused to review evidence. It doesn't sound like he gives that much of a toss.

Also, as FAB have stated again no MP has been in touch with club regarding these recent off the field issues. So Clive and others have felt the need to speak to the EFL and IFR before speaking to Sheffield United. Even when they met with FAB on the 17th they still hadn't spoken to the club.

It's not making Perkin's look good either nevermind Betts. I don't buy the bullshit they needed to know more about regulation processes, this issue has been rumbling on long enough.

 

[Rufus T. Firefly]

Well considering he has made baseless accusations against the club and refused to review evidence. It doesn't sound like he gives that much of a toss.

Also, as FAB have stated again no MP has been in touch with club regarding these recent off the field issues. So Clive and others have felt the need to speak to the EFL and IFR before speaking to Sheffield United. Even when they met with FAB on the 17th they still hadn't spoken to the club.

It's not making Perkin's look good either nevermind Betts. I don't buy the bullshit they needed to know more about regulation processes, this issue has been rumbling on long enough.

It's all down to how quickly the EFL can trawl through their rule/law books, in a library something akin to the one in 'The name of the rose' and find which law if any our owners have broken. If they find something I'm sure they'll be in touch with Rosen. If they don't find anything then they will amend a law to close the loophole (in pencil) as they have done before.

 

[metalblade]

Betts could always ask the EFL to change the rules retrospectively to punish United. Labour MP's seem to like that idea lately. What was it that he was suspended from Parliament for a few years back probably nothing dishonest? I think it had something to do with immigration?

 

[KMC-1889]

Are you able to back-up your claim with evidence that Betts wants the EFL to punish SUFC?

Well, he’s an honorary lifetime president at our rivals and met with the EFL & IFR without informing either the club, fans or constituents. He also has a well publicised track record of being a corrupt crook. As mentioned by others he’s also tried multiple times in the past to have SUFC sanctioned.

It’s circumstantial but I don’t think it’s an unreasonable opinion.

 

[RandomBlade]

If Betts has a motive to persuade the EFL to punish SUFC how does he manage to do that with the other MPs (Toby Perkins is ST holder at the Lane) in attendance in the 17th Sept meeting?

He'll try throwing as much crap as he can in the hope some sticks. Its a typical politicians tactic. Then hog Staton dresses it up as just asking tough questions, which they arent, they are just stirring.

 

[SW12 to S12 to S18]

He’s in Putins pocket.

 

[chesblade]

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They posted this on twitter. Tea and biscuits with owner and manager. With a very brief summary which basically said “they’ve told us everything’s fine” with comments turned off.

A few days later they admitted they dropped a bollock and did a bit of grovelling followed by the “feedback always welcome” shite.

FAB was created because it was mandatory in the PL. Since then it’s been kept on by the club but very much on the clubs terms. Keep the people who sort fab happy and make sure they’re telling fans what the club wants them to hear.

Not fit for purpose.

But better than nothing

 

[Rufus T. Firefly]

Betts could always ask the EFL to change the rules retrospectively to punish United. Labour MP's seem to like that idea lately. What was it that he was suspended from Parliament for a few years back probably nothing dishonest? I think it had something to do with immigration?

It concerned helping his researcher and acquaintance in trying to mislead immigration services regarding a visa and right to stay in the UK. Betts admitted to making a copy of the altered letter. Received a 7 day suspension, should have been forced to step down and run for re-election.
I'm Mark Corrigan...and I am an honorable man.....

 

[metalblade]

It concerned helping his researcher and acquaintance in trying to mislead immigration services regarding a visa and right to stay in the UK. Betts admitted to making a copy of the altered letter. Received a 7 day suspension, should have been forced to step down and run for re-election.
I'm Mark Corrigan...and I am an honorable man.....

I know what it was about I just didn't want to post it on here, I'll let others research the sordid details.

 

[Rufus T. Firefly]

I know what it was about I just didn't want to post it on here, I'll let others research the sordid details.

it's all in the public domain so no legal threat.

 

[RandomBlade]

He frequents a sandwich shop in town where the owner shoots his load over the lettuce every time he walks in. Shouts is Clives order ready, despite a number of customers waiting, while Betts, to his credit, embarrassed, joins the back of the queue.

That would be the pulled pork sandwich then.

 

[Keen Blade]

All this FAB bollox is playing right into the piggy hands of Betts & Staton who want nothing more than to prod the EFL/IFR until they find some way of sanctioning the club.
As I've said so many times since the first news -
"Shut the feck up and let the issue fade into insignificance".
Do NOT rattle cages.
The club is not involved.
Why are the feckin MPs involved ?
Who invited them to start yapping ?
If it was the FAB , they want shooting.
Let it fade away.
The club is in no worse position than it otherwise would have been.
Only the Prince was yapping about sanctions as a tactic and now we've got MPs & RS yapping too.
Only dem Blades' FAB could create such bollox for its own club.
Tragic how dim some folk can be.
Getting Betts of all people is like inviting a fox into your henhouse

 

[VictoryBlade]

On another note, I'd like to ask the Fans Advisory Board a question, but I've no idea how to contact them? I'd like them to ask SAG why it is that one of the most difficult Derbies to Police (WHU vs. Millwall) the Met segregates the fans by having just a few seats between them and seems to manage? However, at Bramall Lane they close hundreds if not thousands of seats down, when we play the Wendies or Forest for example. OR is it just another case of anti United bias? Just asking for a friend

 

[Uganda Blade]

On another note, I'd like to ask the Fans Advisory Board a question, but I've no idea how to contact them? I'd like them to ask SAG why it is that one of the most difficult Derbies to Police (WHU vs. Millwall) the Met segregates the fans by having just a few seats between them and seems to manage? However, at Bramall Lane they close hundreds if not thousands of seats down, when we play the Wendies or Forest for example. OR is it just another case of anti United bias? Just asking for a friend

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[VictoryBlade]

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Cheers

 

[chesblade]

All this FAB bollox is playing right into the piggy hands of Betts & Staton who want nothing more than to prod the EFL/IFR until they find some way of sanctioning the club.
As I've said so many times since the first news -
"Shut the feck up and let the issue fade into insignificance".
Do NOT rattle cages.
The club is not involved.
Why are the feckin MPs involved ?
Who invited them to start yapping ?
If it was the FAB , they want shooting.
Let it fade away.
The club is in no worse position than it otherwise would have been.
Only the Prince was yapping about sanctions as a tactic and now we've got MPs & RS yapping too.
Only dem Blades' FAB could create such bollox for its own club.
Tragic how dim some folk can be.
Getting Betts of all people is like inviting a fox into your henhouse

Fab did not get MPs involved, they got themselves involved after the court case with prince and owners. They took it upon themselves to speak to fa

 

[Bladesman]

Fab did not get MPs involved, they got themselves involved after the court case with prince and owners. They took it upon themselves to speak to fa

Exactly, the MP's took it upon themselves to get involved and still not bother to contact the football club directly.

Interesting that the MP's are doing what they did with Chansiri, cut the owners out and just start meddling anyway.

 

[Sheffsteel]

Exactly, the MP's took it upon themselves to get involved and still not bother to contact the football club directly.

Interesting that the MP's are doing what they did with Chansiri, cut the owners out and just start meddling anyway.

What is interesting is how the media and Sheffield fans see 2 similar situations.

David Storch is involved in an auction with several others (just like an EBay bid).
At the end of the process, he receives the message his £25 million bid was the highest, so he’s the winner.
However when it comes to paying up….he realises he’s overbid for SWFC……and after the event lowers his bid to £5 million.
Saving himself £20 milion.

Rosen and his consortium are the sole bidder and bid £110 million for SUFC.
£75 million has currently been paid and he realises the debt left by the Prince is bigger than expected and £110 million was overpaying.
So be reduces his bid to £75 million, saving himself £35 million.

Chansiri was owed over £120 million so made huge losses and received no sympathy.
In fact the Wednesday fans and Radio Sheffield seemed to be celebrating that Storch pulled a fast one….paying £20 million lower than his bid.

The Prince paid very little for Sheff Utd, so he sold the club making a nice profit for himself.
Our owners do something similar to Storch by moving the goalposts after the event, paying £35 million lower than their bid.

Notice how so many locals (including Wednesday fans) are so sympathetic towards our previous owner, who made a profit from owning SU.
Whereas the SW owner Chansiri is massively out of pocket, hasn’t received the money he was offered and the media, EFL, Regulator and Betts aren’t interested in ensuring Chansiri receives the money he’s owed.

Looks like double standards to me.

Also I’ve said from day 1 the whole point of the EFL and regulator is to protect clubs and ensure a level playing field.
Sheff United the football club, are doing everything within the rules. Staying within budget, paying all their debts on time, no money problems.

Really doubt the EFL will create new rules to protect former owners, why would they? When surely their only interest is helping EFL clubs.

 

[Keen Blade]

Fab did not get MPs involved, they got themselves involved after the court case with prince and owners. They took it upon themselves to speak to fa

If that's right then I apologise to FAB and deplore the unilateral action of the MPs which is even more sinister than first thought.
That said , the FAB needs to play this down as much as possible and not join in anything that could be interpreted as a witch-hunt of our owners - to do so only increases the chances of harm to our club.

 

[Keen Blade]

Exactly, the MP's took it upon themselves to get involved and still not bother to contact the football club directly.

Interesting that the MP's are doing what they did with Chansiri, cut the owners out and just start meddling anyway.

See my reply to chesblade

 

[Keen Blade]

What is interesting is how the media and Sheffield fans see 2 similar situations.

David Storch is involved in an auction with several others (just like an EBay bid).
At the end of the process, he receives the message his £25 million bid was the highest, so he’s the winner.
However when it comes to paying up….he realises he’s overbid for SWFC……and after the event lowers his bid to £5 million.
Saving himself £20 milion.

Rosen and his consortium are the sole bidder and bid £110 million for SUFC.
£75 million has currently been paid and he realises the debt left by the Prince is bigger than expected and £110 million was overpaying.
So be reduces his bid to £75 million, saving himself £35 million.

Chansiri was owed over £120 million so made huge losses and received no sympathy.
In fact the Wednesday fans and Radio Sheffield seemed to be celebrating that Storch pulled a fast one….paying £20 million lower than his bid.

The Prince paid very little for Sheff Utd, so he sold the club making a nice profit for himself.
Our owners do something similar to Storch by moving the goalposts after the event, paying £35 million lower than their bid.

Notice how so many locals (including Wednesday fans) are so sympathetic towards our previous owner, who made a profit from owning SU.
Whereas the SW owner Chansiri is massively out of pocket, hasn’t received the money he was offered and the media, EFL, Regulator and Betts aren’t interested in ensuring Chansiri receives the money he’s owed.

Looks like double standards to me.

Also I’ve said from day 1 the whole point of the EFL and regulator is to protect clubs and ensure a level playing field.
Sheff United the football club, are doing everything within the rules. Staying within budget, paying all their debts on time, no money problems.

Really doubt the EFL will create new rules to protect former owners, why would they? When surely their only interest is helping EFL clubs.

That's what I'm hoping but let's not publicly stir it up for our owners ,
coz that's exactly what Betts & Staton appear to be doing perfectly well themselves.

 

[Sean Thornton]

What is interesting is how the media and Sheffield fans see 2 similar situations.

David Storch is involved in an auction with several others (just like an EBay bid).
At the end of the process, he receives the message his £25 million bid was the highest, so he’s the winner.
However when it comes to paying up….he realises he’s overbid for SWFC……and after the event lowers his bid to £5 million.
Saving himself £20 milion.

Rosen and his consortium are the sole bidder and bid £110 million for SUFC.
£75 million has currently been paid and he realises the debt left by the Prince is bigger than expected and £110 million was overpaying.
So be reduces his bid to £75 million, saving himself £35 million.

Chansiri was owed over £120 million so made huge losses and received no sympathy.
In fact the Wednesday fans and Radio Sheffield seemed to be celebrating that Storch pulled a fast one….paying £20 million lower than his bid.

The Prince paid very little for Sheff Utd, so he sold the club making a nice profit for himself.
Our owners do something similar to Storch by moving the goalposts after the event, paying £35 million lower than their bid.

Notice how so many locals (including Wednesday fans) are so sympathetic towards our previous owner, who made a profit from owning SU.
Whereas the SW owner Chansiri is massively out of pocket, hasn’t received the money he was offered and the media, EFL, Regulator and Betts aren’t interested in ensuring Chansiri receives the money he’s owed.

Looks like double standards to me.

Also I’ve said from day 1 the whole point of the EFL and regulator is to protect clubs and ensure a level playing field.
Sheff United the football club, are doing everything within the rules. Staying within budget, paying all their debts on time, no money problems.

Really doubt the EFL will create new rules to protect former owners, why would they? When surely their only interest is helping EFL clubs.

Storch paid more than £5m for the Sty.

Our new owners haven’t “reduced their bid”. The contract was presumably signed at £110m. There would now appear to be an issue, possibly over debt levels but at this point it’s conjecture.

PA paid very little? How much is very little in your view? The money he put into shares is a bit more than “very little”