Everton FFP

[scouseblade]

Don't the Premier League want Everton to remain in the PL so wont punish them,

Exactly, they have a lovely brand new spanking ground to play in soon as well, so surely they cannot possibly be relegated on a "technicality" of not being able to run themselves financially.

 

[scouseblade]

Whilst it doesnt impact us, why are Everton's 1 or 2 offences being more press worthy than our currently PL and European champions 115? Its stinks

 

[scouseblade]

Evertone are a complete irrelevance in PL football. But if you punish them with deductions, you have to punish one of the relevant (cough, City, cough) teams when it's their turn.

I think it'll be a big fine

Everton probably should have points docked if found guilty. City, well if found guilty, they should be stripped of titles, docked points and even possibly relegated. Look at Juve in Italy! They got stripped of about 5 titles and relegated to Serie B

 

[Carlton Blade]

Everton probably should have points docked if found guilty. City, well if found guilty, they should be stripped of titles, docked points and even possibly relegated. Look at Juve in Italy! They got stripped of about 5 titles and relegated to Serie B

That's the only reason I think it'll look like Everton got off lightly. I really don't think the PL can afford a legal battle with an Oil state

 

[tyke1889]

Exactly, they have a lovely brand new spanking ground to play in soon as well, so surely they cannot possibly be relegated on a "technicality" of not being able to run themselves financially.

Could you tell me where this spanking ground is please? Asking for a friend obviously.

 

[Living In a Fantasy World]

We should be more concerned with our own performances and stuff, I'd be frustrated if it took something like this to spur the players on.

 

[Chimpan-A]

I don’t think Everton are considered a big player anymore (by the PL I mean). They are the sacrificial lambs it would seem, as surely City and Chelsea need looking at in greater detail.

 

[Silent Blade]

Portsmouth in 2009/10. 9 points deducted for entering administration.

Forgot that too

 

[scouseblade]

That's the only reason I think it'll look like Everton got off lightly. I really don't think the PL can afford a legal battle with an Oil state

Imagine the FA losing out to a club. Might as well disband itself. A club shouldnt be able to use its immense power to get away with effectively doping

 

[scouseblade]

Could you tell me where this spanking ground is please? Asking for a friend obviously.

Well, its not quite ready yet. But the skeleton looks nice.

 

[Carlton Blade]

Imagine the FA losing out to a club. Might as well disband itself. A club shouldnt be able to use its immense power to get away with effectively doping

The FA have absolutely no power, neither does the PL. City have wracked up 100+ charges and nothing has happened. They actively shut Bury down

 

[MobileBlade]

The FA have absolutely no power, neither does the PL. City have wracked up 100+ charges and nothing has happened. They actively shut Bury down

Factually so wrong in so many places!! For PL FFP breaches, the PL puts forward the charges, an independant panel then decides the guilt or not and the punishment. In terms of Bury it was the EFL who put forward the rules breaches and an independant panel that withdrew their place in the league. It was actually the courts that shut Bury down.

 

[Carlton Blade]

Factually so wrong in so many places!! For PL FFP breaches, the PL puts forward the charges, an independant panel then decides the guilt or not and the punishment. In terms of Bury it was the EFL who put forward the rules breaches and an independant panel that withdrew their place in the league. It was actually the courts that shut Bury down.

The courts closed Bury down because of unpaid bills. The EFL deducted them points, threatened them with more deduction. The FA offered no assistance in trying to help them survive. I'd say the FA actively contributed to their closure but I didn't say "contributed" in the first post so fair enough.

The PL brings the charges against City and the commission weighs up the punishment. Again, can't argue.

 

[MobileBlade]

The courts closed Bury down because of unpaid bills. The FA deducted them points, threatened them with more deduction, offered no assistance in trying to help them survive. I'd say the FA actively contributed to their closure but I didn't say "contributed" in the first post so fair enough.

The PL brings the charges against City and the commission weighs up the punishment. Again, can't argue.

The FA did not deduct them points. They do not have that power. The EFL put forward the charges for the breach of their rules, an independant panel then decided the punishment. It has nothing to do with the FA. Competition rules are decided by individual competitions.

 

[Carlton Blade]

The FA did not deduct them points. They do not have that power. The EFL put forward the charges for the breach of their rules, an independant panel then decided the punishment. It has nothing to do with the FA. Competition rules are decided by individual competitions.

But all those competitions are still competed under the jurisdiction of the FA, who operate under UEFA, FIFA etc.

Do you think the FA has a duty of care to help clubs like Bury? Do you think how many charges City receive and how they are handled are effected by how rich they are? I do, that's the main issue I was trying to convey.

I agreed with the process points you made

 

[MobileBlade]

But all those competitions are still competed under the jurisdiction of the FA, who operate under UEFA, FIFA etc.

Do you think the FA has a duty of care to help clubs like Bury? Do you think how many charges City receive and how they are handled are effected by how rich they are? I do, that's the main issue I was trying to convey.

I agreed with the process points you made

I agree the FA does have a duty of care over the whole of football right down to the local teams in Concord Park. However, it is up to competitions for put in place rules within that structure and apply fairly accordingly.

 

[Carlton Blade]

I agree the FA does have a duty of care over the whole of football right down to the local teams in Concord Park. However, it is up to competitions for put in place rules within that structure and apply fairly accordingly.

Then we agree (I think).

 

[billyblademan]

Bit more to it than that: they went off some ad-hoc advice from a PL board member. That 3 point deduction sent them down; they'd have finished 14th without it. Coventry escaped relegation as a result.

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Had never heard this. That's fucked up.

 

[Balham]

Had never heard this. That's fucked up.

My Grandad is a Boro fan. It still rankles him over 25 years later. Suffice to say he was on our side in 2007 and has no time for the PL organisation.

 

[MobileBlade]

Then we agree (I think).

We do. The point I was making though is it is the EPL and the EFL not the FA who deal with this sort of thing. With Everton, it is the EPL FFP rules (which are different to the EFL rules) that they are charged with breaching. And the EPL have placed those charges in accordance with their rules - the EPL rules give the structure to the independant panel etc. Worth saying alot of this independance was only brought in after the Middlesbrough case outlined within this thread.

 

[munksyb]

one other option is Sheffield United will have a points deduction for staying within FFP regulations & Everton will have to pay SUFC compensation of around ten bob (rather like West Sham).
I expect nothing less from the PL / FA closed shop

 

[Sean Thornton]

Everton probably should have points docked if found guilty. City, well if found guilty, they should be stripped of titles, docked points and even possibly relegated. Look at Juve in Italy! They got stripped of about 5 titles and relegated to Serie B

Two titles and relegation. Not for FFP though, totally different scenario.

 

[Sean Thornton]

I agree the FA does have a duty of care over the whole of football right down to the local teams in Concord Park. However, it is up to competitions for put in place rules within that structure and apply fairly accordingly.

The FA doesn’t have a duty of care to a football club that doesn’t pay its tax debts. The original Bury FC company wasn’t would up but put into administration - where it remains - and the phoenix set up did a deal with the IP to take on the name etc etc etc.

 

[Gin&Juice]

Goodison is worse than Hillsborough.

 

[Le Cynique]

Trasnfer embargo. No points deduction. Betcha.

 

[Booker4]

Everton set to learn Premier League fate as FFP hearing nears conclusion

A guilty verdict could bring a fine or a points deduction

www.independent.co.uk

Nahthen.....I think we may have all noticed that we're wank. And most worryingly, our heads seem to go down pretty easy, which is something we're not used to so there aren't too many signs of hope- but this could perk us up a bit couldn't it?

They're deeply, deeply in the shit. FFP after them and their takeover about to fall through. A few points docked for them, and us with Wolves and Bournemouth at home in November, then daft as it sounds we could still be well in with a shout couldn't we??

Are we at the stage already where our only hope is a points deduction for another team!? I do think that from our own perspective the fixture list hasn't been kind to us of late, we our in a league of about 5 at best, we've only played one of those 5 teams in our 8 games so far.

 

[raimond]

Are we at the stage already where our only hope is a points deduction for another team!?

Not too far off!! Like I said, important fixtures coming up in November. It wouldn't do us any harm though.

 

[Snowflake]

Whilst it doesnt impact us, why are Everton's 1 or 2 offences being more press worthy than our currently PL and European champions 115? Its stinks

Perhaps because Everton’s relate to information in the public domain and City’s are much more complex.

 

[Snowflake]

Well, it’s not quite ready yet. But the skeleton looks nice.

….a ground for fetish entertainment ? Now that would interest some outside the world of football as well as some in it !!

 

[Toronto Blade]

It won't make any difference if we keep losing the way we are.