Ever changing rules

[Kop Cat]

EFL league cup only using VAR if every home team in the round has the capability so not used in the last round and wont be used in the next. F.A.cup VAR used if the home team have the facility regardless of the other fixtures in the round. EFL, no VAR for 48 games then its used in the 49th game ,another example of the game being fucking bent.

 

[Grey Blade]

I dont think VAR should be used in any cup competitions. Certainly shouldn't be used in certain games in a round but not others. It's got to be a level playing field for all.
Maybe allow VAR when only Premier league teams remain

 

[ATL Recs]

EFL league cup only using VAR if every home team in the round has the capability so not used in the last round and wont be used in the next. F.A.cup VAR used if the home team have the facility regardless of the other fixtures in the round. EFL, no VAR for 48 games then its used in the 49th game ,another example of the game being fucking bent.

Why is it bent as it’s the same for both teams

 

[dn5 shaun]

Why is it bent as it’s the same for both teams

It's not though is it, games bent mate. Everyone knows big clubs get the rub of the green, same owd I'm afraid.

 

[Kop Cat]

Its bent cos they keep changing rules, eg: Blackburn v Ipswich that score would have stood a few years ago, there was an actual rule stating that after a certain amount of minutes the result stands, can`t remember the exact number of mins.

 

[Kop Cat]

The "Battle of Bramall Lane" v WBA, match abandoned on 82 mins, result stood

 

[Bladesman]

EFL league cup only using VAR if every home team in the round has the capability so not used in the last round and wont be used in the next. F.A.cup VAR used if the home team have the facility regardless of the other fixtures in the round. EFL, no VAR for 48 games then its used in the 49th game ,another example of the game being fucking bent.

It's things like this along with certain clubs not being punished that are pushing me away from football.

 

[ThatJa]

The "Battle of Bramall Lane" v WBA, match abandoned on 82 mins, result stood

That wasn't classed as "out of a competing teams control" though...

 

[Silent Blade]

Blackburn v Ipswich that score would have stood a few years ago, there was an actual rule stating that after a certain amount of minutes the result stands, can`t remember the exact number of mins.

This is not true. It has always been the case in England that abandoned games due to weather or floodlight failure have to be replayed in full unless if the game at the end of the season and that the score in the abandoned game wouldnt have made any difference to the positions in the league table (for example Man U v Man C in 1974). In a FA Cup tie in 1961 Denis Law scored 6 goals for Man C v Luton before the game was abandoned with City winning 6-1. FA ordered a replay and Luton won 3-1 in the replay. I remember us winning 2-0 at Coventry in March 1972 before it got abandoned due to a snowstorm. In the replay a month later Coventry won 3-2.

The rule stating that after a certain amount of minutes the result stands applies in some other countries but this has never happened in England for so many years.

The WBA game in 2002 was abandoned for completely different reasons. The FL decided that it was our fault for the game to be abandoned. WBA didnt want a replay and accused Warnock of trying to get the game abandoned.

 

[raul]

I preferred Solid Bond In Your Heart.

But essentially Style Council > The Jam.

 

[sitwell]

I dont think VAR should be used in any cup competitions. Certainly shouldn't be used in certain games in a round but not others. It's got to be a level playing field for all.
Maybe allow VAR when only Premier league teams remain

 

[wardonia_blade]

This is not true. It has always been the case in England that abandoned games due to weather or floodlight failure have to be replayed in full unless if the game at the end of the season and that the score in the abandoned game wouldnt have made any difference to the positions in the league table (for example Man U v Man C in 1974). In a FA Cup tie in 1961 Denis Law scored 6 goals for Man C v Luton before the game was abandoned with City winning 6-1. FA ordered a replay and Luton won 3-1 in the replay. I remember us winning 2-0 at Coventry in March 1972 before it got abandoned due to a snowstorm. In the replay a month later Coventry won 3-2.

The rule stating that after a certain amount of minutes the result stands applies in some other countries but this has never happened in England for so many years.

The WBA game in 2002 was abandoned for completely different reasons. The FL decided that it was our fault for the game to be abandoned. WBA didnt want a replay and accused Warnock of trying to get the game abandoned.

I went to the abandoned Coventry game. Coventry in those days kicked off at 3:15 due to local factory working hours. If we had kicked off at the normal 3pm we may have got it finished.

 

[Nickydblade]

I preferred Solid Bond In Your Heart.

But essentially Style Council > The Jam.

Headstart For Hapiness

 

[mattbianco1]

Why is it bent as it’s the same for both teams

They shouldn't have VAR in cup comps unless all teams remaining have it in their domestic league.

It's not "bent", but the bigger teams that are used to it have adapted their game to it.
Lots of things that go off in the lower leagues that you can get away with behind the refs back, you can't get away with with VAR. Of course you could say that they shouldn't be conning the ref in the first place, but it's always been part and parcel of the game - standing on a GKs foot so he can't move from a corner etc. you score from that now and it gets chalked off. That used to be a very good attacking tactic. Billy Sharp knew all about it.

There's a large number of teams in L1 & L2 that have never played a game with VAR, or had to even prepare for it's use. All of a sudden if they get an away tie at a PL club any of their "gamesmanship" which could help level the playing field goes out of the window.
It shouldn't be used.

A couple of prime examples of when VAR has ruined games for teams that didn't have it in their domestic league:

1. United v Sunderland. Burrows goal. Nobody complained. Sunderland were ready to kick off again and had lost the game.
2. Coventry v Man Utd - FA Cup Semi Final. Coventry scored a last minute winner. Chalked off for offside. Man Utd won on Pens

 

[SwissBlade]

EFL league cup only using VAR if every home team in the round has the capability so not used in the last round and wont be used in the next. F.A.cup VAR used if the home team have the facility regardless of the other fixtures in the round. EFL, no VAR for 48 games then its used in the 49th game ,another example of the game being fucking bent.

I don’t think it’s necessarily a direct example of the game being bent. Though the game is bent.

The point of VAR was supposed to be to remove the grey areas and ambiguity from human error in real time. The problem is that the human error just then moves to viewing replays on VAR, the lack of transparency of its use, with fans, players and clubs not being completely clear as to what it can be used for, the inconsistency in its use and the decisions made.

It’s more about a lack of competence rather than being inherently bent, but it seems that way because the benefit of the doubt will generally go to the bigger teams. This is most likely because the VAR decisions will most likely impact the fewer attacking chances of the smaller teams and the greater number of the defending situations against the bigger teams (probably not explained that very well. Logically that’s how I see it

The problem when it gets introduced sporadically to competitions with EFL sides is that they’re not used to it and what they normally get away with in the EFL, they can’t with VAR. It’s not that they’re trying to opening break the rules but that there is less scrutiny in normal competition. So it becomes an advantage to the Premier league clubs.

All That said, has there been evidence of the efl sides getting more var decisions against them than the premier league?

 

[jockdodds]

This is not true. It has always been the case in England that abandoned games due to weather or floodlight failure have to be replayed in full unless if the game at the end of the season and that the score in the abandoned game wouldnt have made any difference to the positions in the league table (for example Man U v Man C in 1974). In a FA Cup tie in 1961 Denis Law scored 6 goals for Man C v Luton before the game was abandoned with City winning 6-1. FA ordered a replay and Luton won 3-1 in the replay. I remember us winning 2-0 at Coventry in March 1972 before it got abandoned due to a snowstorm. In the replay a month later Coventry won 3-2.

The rule stating that after a certain amount of minutes the result stands applies in some other countries but this has never happened in England for so many years.

The WBA game in 2002 was abandoned for completely different reasons. The FL decided that it was our fault for the game to be abandoned. WBA didnt want a replay and accused Warnock of trying to get the game abandoned.

I never thought I'd be correcting Silent on a question of fact, but the Luton v Man City game was 6-2 not 6-1. DEnis Law scored all six goals and also scored the goal in the replay.

When Denis Law scored seven and still lost!

There are two famous City quiz questions with the answer Denis Law.

www.mancity.com

 

[Tezza1889]

Its bent cos they keep changing rules, eg: Blackburn v Ipswich that score would have stood a few years ago, there was an actual rule stating that after a certain amount of minutes the result stands, can`t remember the exact number of mins.

75 minutes was the agreed time, and has been used multiple times over the years without complaint...

Maybe Ipswich are getting preferential treatment here?

 

[Tezza1889]

As for VAR. - there's nothing wrong with it just the interpretation of it..

Clear and obvious was the mantra, so it should be a clear offside, etc, but then they went with a fine tooth comb through the rules and interpreted everything to almost microscopic measurements..

Sunderland score that goal at Wembley and it stands, I genuinely believe that VAR cancelled that goal because they wanted to dictate the result, and ultimately get a "non spending" club out of the way of a club they knew would spend big if promoted.

Remember the Premier League is a product and we added nothing of value last time..

Also, what about free kicks, when the wall jump and the goalie can't see the ball getting struck, are you saying they'll cancel Foden's next wonder strike live on sky against Burnley, because he cant see the ball as it's struck.

It has become another way to manipulate an outcome, in my opinion..

 

[Silent Blade]

75 minutes was the agreed time, and has been used multiple times over the years without complaint...

Maybe Ipswich are getting preferential treatment here?

This rule applies to leagues from some countries but this has never happened in England for so many years if a match was abandoned due to weather or floodlight failure.

 

[Selly]

The WBA game in 2002 was abandoned for completely different reasons. The FL decided that it was our fault for the game to be abandoned. WBA didnt want a replay and accused Warnock of trying to get the game abandoned.

And that ruling was entirely appropriate. Whether you think SUFC tried to get the game abandoned on purpose or not (I for one don`t believe we did), it was absolutely due to us only having 6 players that the game was abandoned.

Any other decision would have set a very very poor precedent and actually could have encouraged other clubs who were losing to attempt what we were accused of.

Had we been winning and the game was abandoned for the same reasons (i.e. we were down to 6 players) then I would have expected the authorities to have insisted that the game was replayed for the same reasons - you cannot set that sort of a precedent.