Even if he stays

[bladesmanluke]

I think it's fucked now.

I don't know one Blade, in person, who has any respect for him as a person. Most have appreciation of how well he did in terms of results this season. Everyone things he's a cnut.

If he stays now, with all the stuff going round, I can't imagine it will end in anything other than a really bad situation.

What the fuck are you on about? I dont know one blade in person who thinks he's a cunt. Idiot

 

[Bladesman101]

I think it's fucked now.

I don't know one Blade, in person, who has any respect for him as a person. Most have appreciation of how well he did in terms of results this season. Everyone things he's a cnut.

If he stays now, with all the stuff going round, I can't imagine it will end in anything other than a really bad situation.

 

[Bladesman101]

Worth remembering that Adkins lead his team around BDTBL and, with them, took the anger and abuse from our fans after the 0-2 v Scunthorpe in May '16.

CW disappeared, to where and why has not yet been explained, on the final whistle at Wembley. His team had every right to expect him with them right then.

He's brought us some fabulous memories but when the lead 'culture carrier' fails to lead in their toughest moment, then we should speak of it too. That's very much part a lasting part of his legacy and should also be remembered.

A sad final ending to the Wilder era, if the media mood music proves correct in the next few days.

Front and centre, always, when things were good. Hands off and no public ownership when things went pear shaped.

I had some incredible leaders in my career who I would work for again in a heartbeat

We moved on quickly from those who quit on us or blamed everyone else but themselves when things got tough.

It's not about what people say in great times, that's easy. It is about what they do when it's coming on top.

Oh my days he left a few year ago, since then we’ve been promoted back to prem and come down again, get over it!

 

[54yrblade]

Oh my days he left a few year ago, since then we’ve been promoted back to prem and come down again, get over it!

I'm over it. It's a measure of leadership and not about football. Wilders best days are a few year ago too.

 

[William Large]

I think it's fucked now.

I don't know one Blade, in person, who has any respect for him as a person. Most have appreciation of how well he did in terms of results this season. Everyone things he's a cnut.

If he stays now, with all the stuff going round, I can't imagine it will end in anything other than a really bad situation.

I certainly don’t think he’s a cunt. I also have a lot of respect for him.

I don’t doubt for a minute that there have been occasions where people have come across chris where he has behaved in a manner that not all would approve of when he’s had a drink but that’s probably most of us.

He is lauded as being ‘one of our own’ and when things are going well, people can’t get enough ‘bladey’ behaviour. The minute things go wrong, he’s an immediately branded a cunt.

I guess if you asked sufficient people there would be a few say that I have been a cunt at times (I definitely have) and a few that might describe me a a cunt in general (I definitely am not? Or maybe I am..?!)

If we are seeking a tactical genius who is animated on the touchline, fills the team with passion, gets the club, unites the team with the fans, plays free flowing attacking and winning football, yet has no character flaws, I am confident that we will be disappointed.

Not saying Chris is without traits which are less than desirable at times, but in my opinion (and many other fans opinions) he is not a cunt.

 

[Bladesman101]

I'm over it. It's a measure of leadership and not about football. Wilders best days are a few year ago too.

Just done 92 points (highest ever championship total for United) with a completely rebuilt squad in which he convinced good players to come. Lost a final in last minute to go up. How does that spell best days are behind him?

 

[FMBlade1]

I don't think he's a cunt

He's behaved like one during his spells here ('do-gooders and leftists', 'PlayStation managers', Plymouth outburst to name a few examples) but I don't he is one either- everyone makes mistakes.

 

[Danetheblade]

I think it's fucked now.

I don't know one Blade, in person, who has any respect for him as a person. Most have appreciation of how well he did in terms of results this season. Everyone things he's a cnut.

If he stays now, with all the stuff going round, I can't imagine it will end in anything other than a really bad situation.

I don’t think he’s a cunt, he does some questionable things, but so do his mates. He’s not the same wilder that got us promoted/finishing 9th in the league, no idea why, but he’s lost something that made him special. Back then, his antics were forgivable because the football were fluid, attack minded and generally good to watch. Nowadays it’s a tough watch, and the comments he comes out with are quite needling.

 

[chesblade]

Yet all the players like him, he is the reason they came to the club. He made them understand what united are about. My worries that players who would probably have stopped may want to move on. This could be the start of manager and player merry-go-round

 

[Bladesman]

Helping us?

We gave him his big break and he repaid the club handsomely.

Its a job though. You make it sound like he managed us out of the goodness of his own heart.

In fairness he stayed out when Barcelona and Arsenal came calling.

His big break? He was heading to Charlton when he joined us. I expect he may have achieved similar with them.

 

[54yrblade]

Just done 92 points (highest ever championship total for United) with a completely rebuilt squad in which he convinced good players to come. Lost a final in last minute to go up. How does that spell best days are behind him?

Ok, let's try shall we?

The calamitous week when we dropped lots of points
Not performing against our promotion rivals
Tactically outthought by weaker teams
Not replacing Souttar
Unable to change a game
Front foot football apparently a distant concept
Lack of bravery
Defensive mindset when we go behind
Auto in our hands and he dropped it

We were part of a top three who have all benefitted hugely from PL finances and parachute payments. Two succeeded, we failed. We didn't lose promotion in the last minute, it was lost well before then. Sunderland went to the last minute, but we gave up and heads dropped again after our disallowed second goal.

92 points is irrelevant now. We're still where we started last season and there's no medals for over 90 points. Had he spent less time bleating about the deduction and spent it on some of the above, then maybe, just maybe, we wouldn't even be having this conversation.

I trust I've spelled that all correctly?

UTB!

 

[robbiez666]

Apologies, I shouldn't have used the 'c' word. I've been increasing wound up over the weekend of the leaking against the club. The leaking the other way isn't great either.

My point is that has he reached a point, with purely his off-field antics, when his position becomes essentially untenable? Where enough fans are against him that a bad start to the season would undoubtedly lead to a toxic atmosphere and maybe no choice for the Board?

Again, he's been one of our most successful managers and gave us, the fans, the most enjoyable time as fans with the rise from League 1 to top half of the Premier League. The relationship has soured since then and sometimes it's just the time to move on. Look at Ferguson at Posh. How they're not an established Championship team with the players they always seem to have is beyond me.

 

[AWetFlannel]

Plymouth, he turned on two players next to the tunnel as he walked off.

Everybody saw it..

If that's what you'd describe as "trying to fight", you must've lived a sheltered life.

 

[ReeceofBDTBL]

I don’t think he’s a cunt. He irritates me every time I remember he saw fit to finish the season with the 104 twins at center back after we lost souttar.

If he starts Robinson first game of next season I’ll be making use of that word and a selection of others

 

[Houston_Blade]

Such are football fans that it’ll be toxic either way with a bad start. A new manager coming in will have little patience from a good chunk of fans because he’s not Wilder. If Wilder stays and we don’t start well the crowd will turn, particularly with last seasons brand of football still on show.

Harsh to call him a ‘cunt’, he’s not my cup of tea personally but I’ve not had personal dealings with him for over 20 years, he certainly had an air about him then and had a lot of lickspittles around him. No more so than other ex professionals I’d come across at the time though. They were all a bit ‘big time’, no one more than Carlton Palmer, he was a cunt.

 

[coaxingstar71]

On the face of it, I'm finding it hard to believe we're even considering letting him go. He's just finished the season having won 92 points which in any normal season would win promotion and more often than not the league title. No one would even be thinking about him going if we had been promoted.

Given the resources and squad we started the season with, I doubt the target he was given by the board was to gain automatic promotion. I'd imagine a period of transition was expected given the squad turnover. Despite what anyone thinks, we didn't spend much and certainly not as much as we received in fees.

However, by January we had new owners. One of the first things they did was award him a new 4 year contract, hardly the actions of owners who are looking to make a change.

So what, if anything, has gone wrong?

Obviously we didn't get promoted. Don't know if that was the revised target when the new owners came in and invested quite a bit in the January window.
The January signings were not an overall great success. The big one being £10m on Cannon, which to us fans, looks like a massive waste of money so far. I assume this was a Wilder signing and perhaps the owners would have expected an immediate return for what they paid out.
The word is, according to the Sheffield United Way, that there has been some disagreements about who we should sign in the summer. Ironically, this was part of the original falling out between Wilder and the Prince. I imagine Wilder will be stubborn on this issue and that could be a deal-breaker.
I'd be interested if both Wilder's antics and the team's discipline also has anything to do with why his position is being considered. After all the club has had to shell out over £1m in fines and Wilder not only appears to have not tried to address this, but actively contributes to it. Nearly every one of those incidents were totally avoidable. What's the point in getting involved in fracas after the game?

I want him to stay, because I think he's a good proven manager at this level, I don't think much to the potential successors, I believe in stability and I believe he can get us promoted. I do think he needs to reign himself in and address the discipline of the team.

 

[Sean Thornton]

On the face of it, I'm finding it hard to believe we're even considering letting him go. He's just finished the season having won 92 points which in any normal season would win promotion and more often than not the league title. No one would even be thinking about him going if we had been promoted.

Given the resources and squad we started the season with, I doubt the target he was given by the board was to gain automatic promotion. I'd imagine a period of transition was expected given the squad turnover. Despite what anyone thinks, we didn't spend much and certainly not as much as we received in fees.

However, by January we had new owners. One of the first things they did was award him a new 4 year contract, hardly the actions of owners who are looking to make a change.

So what, if anything, has gone wrong?

Obviously we didn't get promoted. Don't know if that was the revised target when the new owners came in and invested quite a bit in the January window.
The January signings were not an overall great success. The big one being £10m on Cannon, which to us fans, looks like a massive waste of money so far. I assume this was a Wilder signing and perhaps the owners would have expected an immediate return for what they paid out.
The word is, according to the Sheffield United Way, that there has been some disagreements about who we should sign in the summer. Ironically, this was part of the original falling out between Wilder and the Prince. I imagine Wilder will be stubborn on this issue and that could be a deal-breaker.
I'd be interested if both Wilder's antics and the team's discipline also has anything to do with why his position is being considered. After all the club has had to shell out over £1m in fines and Wilder not only appears to have not tried to address this, but actively contributes to it. Nearly every one of those incidents were totally avoidable. What's the point in getting involved in fracas after the game?

I want him to stay, because I think he's a good proven manager at this level, I don't think much to the potential successors, I believe in stability and I believe he can get us promoted. I do think he needs to reign himself in and address the discipline of the team.

IF any fallout is about specific players rather than how they may be identified, based on recent years, that’s Wilders Achilles heel. The signing of Cannon can’t have helped him.

 

[ATL Recs]

Still no need for that

Just done 92 points (highest ever championship total for United) with a completely rebuilt squad in which he convinced good players to come. Lost a final in last minute to go up. How does that spell best days are behind him?

Dont forget outside the top two he had the biggest budget to persuade them the football was turgid shyte a team that didnt look like it had or was working to a plan and was played off the park by the 3 teams around us give 30 minutes against Leeds Robbing Sunderland at the lane Portsmouth Plymouth and others with this sitting in shyte which cost us big time at Wembley -then the tosser pisses off and leaves players and fans to wallow in the hurt

 

[georgebernardshaw]

Oh, Has there been talk of Wilder going or sommat?

Classy, much respect.

 

[alcoblade]

I think it's fucked now.

I don't know one Blade, in person, who has any respect for him as a person. Most have appreciation of how well he did in terms of results this season. Everyone things he's a cnut.

If he stays now, with all the stuff going round, I can't imagine it will end in anything other than a really bad situation.

Of the people I know / discuss football with, away from this message board, I'd say 90% want him to stay. We've all got our own perspective, and we should remember that's all it is.

 

[Millhousesblade1889]

Speak for yourself

It’s a non negotiable he’s a c*nt and that’s that

 

[Freddie]

I really admire and respect all CW has done for the Blades and look forward to his next chapter with us. I like him.

 

[BornOnShorehamStreet]

we were only 90 minutes from a return to the Premier League.

14 minutes away to be precise.

 

[Chazzer]

He is fast developing Brian Clough syndrome. Increasingly erratic off the field, surviving as manager on memories of past on field success.

 

[Tony_Kaufman]

Again, he's been one of our most successful managers and gave us, the fans, the most enjoyable time as fans with the rise from League 1 to top half of the Premier League. The relationship has soured since then and sometimes it's just the time to move on. Look at Ferguson at Posh. How they're not an established Championship team with the players they always seem to have is beyond me.

Peterborough are doing what our new owners appear to want us to do. They've scouted and signed future potential who will one day be good enough to take them up and stay up. Unfortunately they lost in the play off final two seasons ago, and lost Burrows for a good fee for League One as a result. Ephrom-Clark also went back to Coventry which was a big loss for them the Poku got injured for a lengthy spell last season.

Last season they ended up unexpectedly at the wrong end of the table in a predicament in January. Sell Poku and Jade-Jones and probably get relegated as a result. Or keep them, stay up but lose them at the end of the season for free. Some people might ask why they didn't commit Poku or Jade-Jones to longer contracts but the answer is probably that the players turned them down as they harboured ambitions to play in the Championship. Poku will 100% be a Championship player this coming season and I'd love it to be with us.

Peterborough have a fantastic recruitment policy where they scout young and upcoming players with potential to develop them into Championship standard players. It's why I thought Sam Curtis going to them on loan was a great move as they play expansive attacking football.

Peterborough and Lincoln and to a certain extent Coventry are all examples of how to build teams using this methodology and why we shouldn't fear it. But it won't work after just one season and takes patience whilst the players get more vital experience and improve. Coventry plucked Hamer and Gyokeres out of nowhere and the money they received for them was incredible.

 

[Bladesman101]

Ok, let's try shall we?

The calamitous week when we dropped lots of points
Not performing against our promotion rivals
Tactically outthought by weaker teams
Not replacing Souttar
Unable to change a game
Front foot football apparently a distant concept
Lack of bravery
Defensive mindset when we go behind
Auto in our hands and he dropped it

We were part of a top three who have all benefitted hugely from PL finances and parachute payments. Two succeeded, we failed. We didn't lose promotion in the last minute, it was lost well before then. Sunderland went to the last minute, but we gave up and heads dropped again after our disallowed second goal.

92 points is irrelevant now. We're still where we started last season and there's no medals for over 90 points. Had he spent less time bleating about the deduction and spent it on some of the above, then maybe, just maybe, we wouldn't even be having this conversation.

I trust I've spelled that all correctly?

UTB!

Have you finished moaning? Out of the 3 clubs that came down last season; 1 went up, 1 finished playoff and 1… went down! But you can’t mention that as it doesn’t fit this absolute tantrum narrative that Wilder is now past it.

We simply don’t have the players to play this wonderful attacking football you seem to believe Wilder is choosing not to play. With the players we’ve got; finishing where we’ve finished is an unbelievable season.

Your spelling is impeccable, your argument is nonsense.

 

[Tarqs]

Have you finished moaning? Out of the 3 clubs that came down last season; 1 went up, 1 finished playoff and 1… went down! But you can’t mention that as it doesn’t fit this absolute tantrum narrative that Wilder is now past it.

We simply don’t have the players to play this wonderful attacking football you seem to believe Wilder is choosing not to play. With the players we’ve got; finishing where we’ve finished is an unbelievable season.

Your spelling is impeccable, your argument is nonsense.

We don't have the players to play attacking football....

Blimey.

 

[54yrblade]

Have you finished moaning? Out of the 3 clubs that came down last season; 1 went up, 1 finished playoff and 1… went down! But you can’t mention that as it doesn’t fit this absolute tantrum narrative that Wilder is now past it.

We simply don’t have the players to play this wonderful attacking football you seem to believe Wilder is choosing not to play. With the players we’ve got; finishing where we’ve finished is an unbelievable season.

Your spelling is impeccable, your argument is nonsense.

Correct. The signings of Brewster, Cannon and Moore have, so far, absolutely proved your point. Mcburnie underperformed. Campbell tried but was too often lacking service and can't do it on his own. Hecky signed Anel and Gus. I'd also suggest that we were nowhere near as fit to go 90+ as we have been in the past, and it showed to often.

Wilder bought them and others, but didn't use the squad effectively. His sub's were often baffling, adding little or nothing to what had gone before and there was no discernible style of play. We had that once, although Knilly would have played a huge part in it too, and it was fabulous. It's gone. We're nothing like the same side.

Not a 'tantrum narrative' at all. Just a view that is different yours.

UTB!

 

[Upton_Blade]

We simply don’t have the players to play this wonderful attacking football you seem to believe Wilder is choosing not to play. With the players we’ve got; finishing where we’ve finished is an unbelievable season.

I've read some utter tripe on here over the last few days but that comment really is up there with the worst of them.

One of the main things the Wilder lovers keep trotting out is last seasons points tally after the "Total Rebuild" he completed last summer.

If that's the case then the team assembled is down to him and the utter dross that was served up for the majority of last season is no one else's fault but his own.

 

[Alfiesdad]

Well here we are again, yet another anti Wilder post and associated pile on by the usual suspects. The sun us shining, the birds are tweeting, loads of things for us all to be getting on with but no, let's go to the echo chamber for another rant.
I don't like name calling or psychological profiling but I'm getting tempted.