email from club - NO MORE TICKETS ON SALE IN KOP - standing & wrong seat usage

[FB98]

Everyone was happy...

Why would you being part of the problem be part of the problem?

A couple of lads standing on my row making a good atmosphere isn't a problem to anyone other than the snowflakes at SAG. Which is who anger should be directed at.
When it was announced it was a problem these people stopped doing it.
How anyone considers that selfish is beyond me.

 

[blade67]

"Some people can't be arsed to listen"

Have you seen people in the gangways since the announcement? It seems to me like everyone has listened and there is no problems? I will ask again, has anyone seen issues since the announcement?

I've not, but then I don't look up, I'm watching the game. My point is that there are a bunch of people who frequent the kop, who don't follow simple rules that would make life easier for all. The initial issue was caused by that. If it's fixed , I'll be expecting the ticket issue will go away.

 

[FB98]

I've not, but then I don't look up, I'm watching the game. My point is that there are a bunch of people who frequent the kop, who don't follow simple rules that would make life easier for all. The initial issue was caused by that. If it's fixed , I'll be expecting the ticket issue will go away.

Nobody considered it a problem. When they were told it was they stopped doing it

 

[Sean Thornton]

Nope. Infact in my experience most of us who stand up actually like it being quite crowded and rowdy. Definitely makes for a better atmosphere when it is.
Been absolutely dead since the "selfish arseholes" did as they were told

So the rest of you are shit at creating an atmosphere? Quite an admission…….

 

[FB98]

So the rest of you are shit at creating an atmosphere? Quite an admission…….

Better than anywhere else is the ground still by about a million miles. Just worse than before.

 

[Pedro's Winger]

Just goes to show, how much of this thread you ignored. Tales of season ticket holders pushed about, unable to see and intimidated. But you appear to not care about anyone else but your little world...."Everyone was happy"...
what does that make you....? hmmm? Need a clue?...

Are there really many season ticket holders at the back of the kop who don't know what the deal is and are now being genuinely inconvenienced? Admittedly I've sat on the kop for years and stood before that but I've always been aware of who congregates at the back.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Better than anywhere else is the ground still by about a million miles. Just worse than before.

Absolutely dead you said.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Are there really many season ticket holders at the back of the kop who don't know what the deal is and are now being genuinely inconvenienced? Admittedly I've sat on the kop for years and stood before that but I've always been aware of who congregates at the back.

How can anyone be genuinely inconvenienced? ST holders have paid for a seat, it’s says where on a am the ST card. Having to sit in your own seat is an inconvenience? Don’t think you’ve thought that one through when your swinging your club beating stick around.

 

[tyke1889]

Do these people not know how to work the internet?!

Not everyone is a simple "One adult seat please" I'm afraid.
I'm really good on the internet, but we have a disabled and carer in our friends and family group and the website wouldn't link the two together and wanted us to pay double. Had to spend an hour on redial then 45 minutes counting down from No.15 in the queue

 

[Gerritforud]

Are there really many season ticket holders at the back of the kop who don't know what the deal is and are now being genuinely inconvenienced? Admittedly I've sat on the kop for years and stood before that but I've always been aware of who congregates at the back.

Sorry what? What is the deal? Are these season ticket holders expected to put up with selfish twats?

 

[metalblade]

These who insist on standing two or three to one seat are probably the same mates who like to share a bog cubicle for 5 mins just before kick off.

 

[Digs blade]

These who insist on standing two or three to one seat are probably the same mates who like to share a bog cubicle for 5 mins just before kick off.

I generally enjoy your posts mate but this is just assumed drivel

 

[Ainsley Harriott]

I cannot understand why people go down and queue. Surely not to save the booking fee?

My dad's reason is that he can't access his account because it doesn't recognise his password (which is his postcode). "I've tried it. Upper case lower case no spaces, doesn't work". Ever tried the 'forgot password bit'?

Or do a 50 minute round trip using fuel and queue for a further hour for what would take 20 mins at an absolute maximum? I think he does it on purpose mi sen. Just loves to blame someone else for his own ineptitude.

 

[Ainsley Harriott]

These who insist on standing two or three to one seat are probably the same mates who like to share a bog cubicle for 5 mins just before kick off.

Exactly this. As I've said a few times, the fans causing the problems aren't difficult to pick out.

I won't make generalisations about cubicle sharing, or CP hats, Stone Island jumpers/jackets/coats or coloured gazelles because I'll get the usual "hey, I wear stone island but I sit in my seat" response instead of people seeing what I'm trying to say.

 

[reedy63]

Saturday against Swansea stewards was coming up to the back row af. just before kick-off. a couple of fans buggered off and did not see them again.Gangway F. clear of fans.steps up to the back row clear.so with the stewards doing the job they are supposed to do at the beginning of the problem may be they would have started to sell matchday tickets by now.

 

[Ainsley Harriott]

I generally enjoy your posts mate but this is just assumed drivel

It isn't.

 

[Digs blade]

It is in my opinion mate. No foundation whatsoever to that comment.

Myself and others have said repeatedly that if there was a problem before it isn’t apparent now. I don’t see 3 people to a seat at the top of the kop snd if they did how an earth would I link this to the same people who may or not be taking drugs iin the toilet.

Iits just lazy comments looking for a group of people to blame with no evidence whatsoever

 

[metalblade]

Imagine the fun if that copper with the spaniel let it have a run round while the game is on

 

[Pedro's Winger]

How can anyone be genuinely inconvenienced? ST holders have paid for a seat, it’s says where on a am the ST card. Having to sit in your own seat is an inconvenience? Don’t think you’ve thought that one through when your swinging your club beating stick around.

Read the post being responded to.
Trying to ascertain whether there are a lot of fans being genuinely inconvenienced by minor overcrowding in areas most people would already know are going to be among the liveliest in the stadium.

 

[Greasy Chap Butty]

Read the post being responded to.
Trying to ascertain whether there are a lot of fans being genuinely inconvenienced by minor overcrowding in areas most people would already know are going to be among the liveliest in the stadium.

it isn't an issue of people being inconvenienced or not. Having said that if the areas are up to 3x over-populated, as Foxy has passed on, then I wouldn't be certain everybody in the area is happy with it at all.
But the issue isn't people being inconvenienced. It's a safety issue. The club has a legal duty to everybody in the ground to ensure it is safe and meets safety standards.
Often people aren't bothered until there is a problem, then it's too late. The rules, although may be a nuisance are for a reason.

Hopefully the new bunch of stewards help sort out what should be simpole things, and we can get back to a full kop.

 

[Pedro's Winger]

it isn't an issue of people being inconvenienced or not. Having said that if the areas are up to 3x over-populated, as Foxy has passed on, then I wouldn't be certain everybody in the area is happy with it at all.
But the issue isn't people being inconvenienced. It's a safety issue. The club has a legal duty to everybody in the ground to ensure it is safe and meets safety standards.
Often people aren't bothered until there is a problem, then it's too late. The rules, although may be a nuisance are for a reason.

Hopefully the new bunch of stewards help sort out what should be simpole things, and we can get back to a full kop.

Presumably most people in those areas are ok with it because it's been going on for a long time. Not aware of complaints from people in those areas who must surely mostly know each other and know the deal but happy to be set straight.
All seater stadiums are generally inherently pretty safe and in this case any potential safety issue would be falling over or something similar? Given the size of the seats not sure how it would be physically possible to have three people populating a single seat area.
As far as I know there haven't been any injuries reported despite the issue being present for years.
And if it is a very significant safety issue, why has there been no police involvement? Given SYP's delicate history with football surely such a situation would have warranted police intervention?
But the main point is even if it's accepted it's a problem is effectively closing more than 20 per cent of the kop a proportionate response?
The checking we had on Saturday should surely have been part of a previous escalation instead of now apparently working backwards from the previous drastic step, for example.
As it is, we've set a very difficult benchmark for dealing with a relatively minor problem..

 

[jt64]

Presumably most people in those areas are ok with it because it's been going on for a long time. Not aware of complaints from people in those areas who must surely mostly know each other and know the deal but happy to be set straight.

Why would there need to be complaints? Do you think the SAG etc live in their own secret bunker and do nothing unless someone kicks up a fuss, or do you think that someone might occasionally watch a game at BL and see what is going on for themselves?

As it is, we've set a very difficult benchmark for dealing with a relatively minor problem..

The point isn't what is or isn't a problem now, or the extent of it, it's what might be a problem if something else happens. If the fire alarm at your work is out of order, that doesn't stop being a problem just because you've not set anything on fire recently. I've never felt the Kop would be a particularly easy place to evacuate given its archaic, cramped design, add some people clogging an exit or clogging a row into the equation and it makes matters potentially a lot worse

 

[Freethinker]

Bang on the money!……you don’t get this on the south stand or John St….why because they sit in their seat…it’s not hard..at all!

Beg to differ h block at Wrexham game all stood in the aisles stewards couldn't do a thing all game, cracking atmosphere though

 

[Freethinker]

I said have you seen it since the announcement? I have no idea what the relevance is.
My point wad these "selfish twats" did as they were told after the announcement. It isn't happening anymore.

We won't be getting safe standing anytime soon though so let's no bother pretending we might. We will have a permanently worse atmosphere due to less of these loud lads at the back. This has been very evident to anyone in the back right in recent weeks.

Way I see it is it's no longer a problem obviously the day trippers who no longer can buy tickets were the problem

 

[sheff_blade90]

right i hate to be this person, because its the old cliche of my friends mother in law brother who works at the ticket office said. but i thought ill put it on here to see if anyone has anything about it. i was chatting with a friend yesterday talking about utd & of course the tottenham game came up. he told me that he knew someone that had knew safety officer & that issues on the kop are of course too many people in 1 area that unsafe anywhere. but also that friend had watched from the safety officer, video evidence of the top of kop being unsafe as its moving & it getting to same point as part of hillsborough that not allowed people on it

but i found it an odd thing to say & im not sure i believe it, because why would Sheff Utd & Council be so secretive about it. instead of lumping all the blame on the fans. also i cant find anything while researching

 

[Sean Thornton]

right i hate to be this person, because its the old cliche of my friends mother in law brother who works at the ticket office said. but i thought ill put it on here to see if anyone has anything about it. i was chatting with a friend yesterday talking about utd & of course the tottenham game came up. he told me that he knew someone that had knew safety officer & that issues on the kop are of course too many people in 1 area that unsafe anywhere. but also that friend had watched from the safety officer, video evidence of the top of kop being unsafe as its moving & it getting to same point as part of hillsborough that not allowed people on it

but i found it an odd thing to say & im not sure i believe it, because why would Sheff Utd & Council be so secretive about it. instead of lumping all the blame on the fans. also i cant find anything while researching

It’s actually a private matter between the Club and the Council.

 

[Bladeloyal]

If there was structural faults ,it would all be closed for repairs, usual shit Stirring

 

[Pedro's Winger]

Why would there need to be complaints? Do you think the SAG etc live in their own secret bunker and do nothing unless someone kicks up a fuss, or do you think that someone might occasionally watch a game at BL and see what is going on for themselves?

The point isn't what is or isn't a problem now, or the extent of it, it's what might be a problem if something else happens. If the fire alarm at your work is out of order, that doesn't stop being a problem just because you've not set anything on fire recently. I've never felt the Kop would be a particularly easy place to evacuate given its archaic, cramped design, add some people clogging an exit or clogging a row into the equation and it makes matters potentially a lot worse

Previously mentioned complaints because there were suggestions fans were being inconvenienced by fans standing in small areas at the back of the kop.
As SAG don't sit in their own secret bunker, they will have known this has been going on for years. Presumably in the previous years it was safe overcrowding but this season it isn't.
The kop isn't that hard to enter or exit and it's very easy to simply walk onto the pitch if necessary which is where I think emergency services would come from in the event of an emergency (rather than going via the top of the kop).
The point remains whether the issue is so serious we have to effectively close more than 20 per cent of the kop. There isn't much evidence it is.

 

[CityInPeace]

Interested in this on some level.

Sounds as if your local council are making a bit of a mountain out of a molehill.

Clearly
1) More than one to a seat isn't on
2) Neither is those with season tickets being inconvenienced, seats being snaffled for example.

However if it's people standing up.the back or whatever then like I say OTT- have some more.robust stewards walking up and down.the stairs to keep aisles clear, similarly around entrances and problems solved surely?

Like I say sounds a different approach beyween fears at Leppings Lane in a Cup tie set against this, what's the bigger risk factor? Yet they just had to make some adjustments.

 

[Greasy Chap Butty]

Presumably most people in those areas are ok with it because it's been going on for a long time. Not aware of complaints from people in those areas who must surely mostly know each other and know the deal but happy to be set straight.
All seater stadiums are generally inherently pretty safe and in this case any potential safety issue would be falling over or something similar? Given the size of the seats not sure how it would be physically possible to have three people populating a single seat area.
As far as I know there haven't been any injuries reported despite the issue being present for years.
And if it is a very significant safety issue, why has there been no police involvement? Given SYP's delicate history with football surely such a situation would have warranted police intervention?
But the main point is even if it's accepted it's a problem is effectively closing more than 20 per cent of the kop a proportionate response?
The checking we had on Saturday should surely have been part of a previous escalation instead of now apparently working backwards from the previous drastic step, for example.
As it is, we've set a very difficult benchmark for dealing with a relatively minor problem..

I agree it should be fixable pretty easily.
Assuming it's safe, and everybody around is fine is a big assumption.