Dont blame McCabe!!!

[gregblade]

So as predicted and fully expected, to coincide with the official announcement about Kyle Naughton and Kyle Walker departing for Tottenham, the inevitable board slagging begins.
I’d like all those who have/are slating the Board, Blackie, McCabe....to cast their minds back 12 months when if someone had lodged a combined bid of £1million for the pair of them most fans would have snapped their hands off.
The offer was a bloody good offer in my opinion, no doubt increased due to some of the ludicrous prices being given for other players around the world.
There is no escaping the fact both players are very talented and have plenty of ability and in my opinion they will go far, I sincerely hope so anyway.
McCabe/The Board do NOT lack ambition, they just simply possess common sense. They have been offered a large amount of money for 2 reasonably unproven players. Naughton has played 40 games for United all of which were in the Championship. Walker has made only a hand full!
Think back to other young “starlets” that have or could have left United for pastures new in reasonably big deals.....
Wayne Quinn for example, sold to Newcastle for £800,000 (a pretty big sum 8 years ago) and where is he now??
Before Naughton started to shine, the main young defender from the Championship who was being touted about as being fancied by bigger clubs was Mark Beavers of our city neighbours. A dire second season means he’s not even mentioned anymore, and was dropped from their team a few times. Who’s to say the same won’t have happened to Naughton? That having burst onto the scenes and being relatively unknown he was a star, but now that managers will have wised up and seen him will know better how to deal with him.....it could have quite easily happened, and in 12 months time we’d have been saying “Why didn’t we take the money!!” – Just like we did with Michael Tonge!

I’m sad to see the lads leave United, I honestly am. But I think the deal was a good one for our club. People that expect us to go out and spend £8million now are not realistic. The money will aid the purchase of Ched Evans, possibly 1 more player too. The rest will go on wages and in my opinion some of it should go into the Shirecliffe Academy.

Here’s to a long and prosperous future with Mr McCabe at the helm!
:beer:

 

[Kev Gee]

Why would Evans come to us now when weve shown no ambition/ kept our best players?

I think he will turn us down. And i dont blame him.

 

[Jimbo]

So as predicted and fully expected, to coincide with the official announcement about Kyle Naughton and Kyle Walker departing for Tottenham, the inevitable board slagging begins.
I’d like all those who have/are slating the Board, Blackie, McCabe....to cast their minds back 12 months when if someone had lodged a combined bid of £1million for the pair of them most fans would have snapped their hands off.
The offer was a bloody good offer in my opinion, no doubt increased due to some of the ludicrous prices being given for other players around the world.
There is no escaping the fact both players are very talented and have plenty of ability and in my opinion they will go far, I sincerely hope so anyway.
McCabe/The Board do NOT lack ambition, they just simply possess common sense. They have been offered a large amount of money for 2 reasonably unproven players. Naughton has played 40 games for United all of which were in the Championship. Walker has made only a hand full!
Think back to other young “starlets” that have or could have left United for pastures new in reasonably big deals.....
Wayne Quinn for example, sold to Newcastle for £800,000 (a pretty big sum 8 years ago) and where is he now??
Before Naughton started to shine, the main young defender from the Championship who was being touted about as being fancied by bigger clubs was Mark Beavers of our city neighbours. A dire second season means he’s not even mentioned anymore, and was dropped from their team a few times. Who’s to say the same won’t have happened to Naughton? That having burst onto the scenes and being relatively unknown he was a star, but now that managers will have wised up and seen him will know better how to deal with him.....it could have quite easily happened, and in 12 months time we’d have been saying “Why didn’t we take the money!!” – Just like we did with Michael Tonge!

I’m sad to see the lads leave United, I honestly am. But I think the deal was a good one for our club. People that expect us to go out and spend £8million now are not realistic. The money will aid the purchase of Ched Evans, possibly 1 more player too. The rest will go on wages and in my opinion some of it should go into the Shirecliffe Academy.

Here’s to a long and prosperous future with Mr McCabe at the helm!
:beer:

Fantastic post!
Nice to see a little perspective and common sense amidst a sea of moaning and negativity.

 

[Thelooneytuner]

Why would Evans come to us now when weve shown no ambition/ kept our best players?

I think he will turn us down. And i dont blame him.

Since when were they both our best players? As far as I'm concerned they were good but unproven. They had a good season, but that means nothing, micheal Tongue and micheal brown both had good seasons and both got offered good sums but what happend after that? Tongy never had a good season again and browny has been through more clubs than underwear!

For us this could be the best blagged sale ever, if not it's 8 million profit! £8 MILLION From NOTHING. This is amazing when half the footballing world are up to there eyeballs in debt!

 

[Autumn]

I wouldn't say 8 mill from nothing, they have been nurtured for a number of years, given contracts with us to play first team, then shone through last season.....The fact Spurs have paid a nice sum, just says a lot to me, they know these two boys have full on potential to be so much more.

I felt they were a key asset to the team naughton more so. We struggled in various places, and I would have liked to have seen some strength been added to the team. Instead, this has yet to be much of an orgasmic moment in that department.

Mccabe is a formidable business man, he knows the ins and outs of what makes a business tick.....Yet he fails to show promise with team amibitition, I am happy we have made some money, but I can see that going one way. I am anxious to see what the accounts will look like.

Do i think we will pull in some good decent players to replace the kyles? No, we play on a budget, buy on a budget and manage on a budget.

I still love the blades though, don't get me wrong.

 

[SwissBlade]

So as predicted and fully expected, to coincide with the official announcement about Kyle Naughton and Kyle Walker departing for Tottenham, the inevitable board slagging begins.
I’d like all those who have/are slating the Board, Blackie, McCabe....to cast their minds back 12 months when if someone had lodged a combined bid of £1million for the pair of them most fans would have snapped their hands off.
The offer was a bloody good offer in my opinion, no doubt increased due to some of the ludicrous prices being given for other players around the world.
There is no escaping the fact both players are very talented and have plenty of ability and in my opinion they will go far, I sincerely hope so anyway.
McCabe/The Board do NOT lack ambition, they just simply possess common sense. They have been offered a large amount of money for 2 reasonably unproven players. Naughton has played 40 games for United all of which were in the Championship. Walker has made only a hand full!
Think back to other young “starlets” that have or could have left United for pastures new in reasonably big deals.....
Wayne Quinn for example, sold to Newcastle for £800,000 (a pretty big sum 8 years ago) and where is he now??
Before Naughton started to shine, the main young defender from the Championship who was being touted about as being fancied by bigger clubs was Mark Beavers of our city neighbours. A dire second season means he’s not even mentioned anymore, and was dropped from their team a few times. Who’s to say the same won’t have happened to Naughton? That having burst onto the scenes and being relatively unknown he was a star, but now that managers will have wised up and seen him will know better how to deal with him.....it could have quite easily happened, and in 12 months time we’d have been saying “Why didn’t we take the money!!” – Just like we did with Michael Tonge!

I’m sad to see the lads leave United, I honestly am. But I think the deal was a good one for our club. People that expect us to go out and spend £8million now are not realistic. The money will aid the purchase of Ched Evans, possibly 1 more player too. The rest will go on wages and in my opinion some of it should go into the Shirecliffe Academy.

Here’s to a long and prosperous future with Mr McCabe at the helm!
:beer:

The negativity is a result of the regard that these two lads were held by most fans, don't knock it as its better that we had these two and lost them than not at all.

I have no major issues with McCabe, he's one of Britains most successful businessmen (or his family are). He knows a lot more than me and many on here.

The amount we got for the Kyles is irrelevant as long as it was more than we paid in the academy and the wages we've paid then we're up on the deal. But is the money the real point? No of course not.

The issue is that we claim to be a progressive club, we claim to deserve to be PL, we claim alot and we convince ourselves that we're big time. Thats not the fans, thats the club, the management, the directors and Mr McCabe.

I have no problem with that if we follow it through. But we don't. We claim poverty when it suits and we claim that we couldn't keep the Kyles, two players on Academy wages 12 mths ago and perhaps not much more now. But we're a big club? Surely we can afford this, oh no we can't we also claim that we can't possibly keep these players. Do you see the mixed messages?

I don't blame the pair for wanting the bright lights and the big city. We sent them to Wembley, London after all and showed them the big time in front of 36,000 Blades.

The Kyles sales has always been about principle, setting our stall out. I've never heard the club say they wanted to go so we must assume that they didn't want to go... thats what the sensible, non speculating fan should think right? because we didn't get the official statement to say they wanted to leave. Don't believe the hype.

We didn't need to sell, we could've made more or less in 12 mths, we could've taken the same gamble like we did with Jags, but we sold out.

Thats my issue. We allowed our hand to be seen and then the PL big boys played us.

Not the end of the world of course, they were just fullbacks, two kids that we had at the club for 10-15 years. No great loss, great cash return. We move on, but we I can't help feel we missed a trick.

Up the Blades!

 

[Come from away]

The Daily Mail Online has a neat article on what happens to young stars recruited to Spurs - not a good record.

 

[shorehamview]

The Daily Mail Online has a neat article on what happens to young stars recruited to Spurs - not a good record.

To be honest now that they've gone I'm not really fussed about Spurs' track record with younger players. They could render them down for glue for all I care, they're not United players anymore so it's irrelevant.

 

[SwissBlade]

http://www.thestar.co.uk/sportheadlines/COMMENT-Blades-bank-the-cash.5486472.jp

Excellent article

 

[keenzy]

BLAME CANADA?

 

[Sensiblade]

http://www.thestar.co.uk/sportheadlines/COMMENT-Blades-bank-the-cash.5486472.jp

Excellent article

I prefer this comment from 'GREGBLADE' to the actual article, which as he puts it is designed to stir things.

What a stupid and pointless article, only written to try and stir trouble up.

While ever United are in the Championship they are vulnerable of losing their players. United could not have stood in the players way. It is alot of money to any championship club, especially for players that in the long run are actually unproven.

No one knows what the future holds. Next season both players could have been shocking and then not be worth anything....similar to the situation of Mark Beavers at Wednesday. 1 good season and they are the next star, then they get brought back to earth in the second season, with a bang!

If we lack ambition for selling Naughton, do Reading lack ambition for selling Doyle? Do Middlesborough lack ambition for selling Downing? Do Derby lack ambition for selling Gyles Barnes? Did Wednesday lack ambition by selling Brunt?

Why did Reading sell Doyle, knowing that his goals alone this season would be enough to ensure a play-off place at least? Its not through lack of ambition, its through realising that they are powerless to stop a player, capable of playing at a higher level, leaving.

Everyone was resigned to losing Naughton this summer, it was always going to happen. I just wished it had gone through sooner so that we might have been able to try and sign players earlier, we've already missed out on Greg Halford because we didn't know what the situation would be.

 

[keenzy]

BLAME IT ON THE BOOGIE???

 

[Jimbo]

BLAME CANADA?

Ha Ha! Brilliant!

 

[TonyAgana]

Blame it on the weatherman?

 

[keenzy]

DON'T BLAME IT ON MCCABE

DON'T BLAME IT ON TERRY

DON'T BLAME IT ON BLACKWELL

BLAME IT ON THE HARRY

 

[madeinsheffield]

The Daily Mail Online has a neat article on what happens to young stars recruited to Spurs - not a good record.

How many young players did Harry Rednapp bring through at West Sham though, Cole, Ferdinand, Rednapp, Lampard etc etc

 

[shorehamview]

How many young players did Harry Rednapp bring through at West Sham though, Cole, Ferdinand, Rednapp, Lampard etc etc

It was the academy, not a hell of a lot to do with Redknapp, just as the two Kyles weren't much to do with Blackwell.

 

[TonyAgana]

It was the academy, not a hell of a lot to do with Redknapp, just as the two Kyles weren't much to do with Blackwell.

It does however seem more sensible to consider Harry as the one who will have an impact on them rather than "Tottenham Hotspur" as others have said in this thread. I know what you mean though.

 

[gregblade]

I prefer this comment from 'GREGBLADE' to the actual article, which as he puts it is designed to stir things.

I agree! but then i wrote that comment! haha gregblade is everywhere!

 

[Come from away]

BLAME CANADA?

Now you know what Canadians are good for!! We have a purpose!

 

[Manorblade]

Greg i have said before off the field you cannot fault Macabe because he's been superb but on the field his record is pretty poor!
Yes we got good money for the Kyles but surely we should have reckonised the weak spots from last season and strengthened and maybe gone one better than last season?
A chairman with ambition would have done this.

 

[SheepdipBlade]

Greg i have said before off the field you cannot fault Macabe because he's been superb but on the field his record is pretty poor!

McCabe doesn't have responsibility for on the field - that's Blackwell's job.

 

[happyhippy]

McCabe doesn't have responsibility for on the field - that's Blackwell's job.

He is responsible for the allowed budget though. The problem seems to be that some think he has an almost endless supply of used £5 notes. Granted, I'd settle for being £5 behind him, but he can't just go to the bank and get £10m out.

That said, there hasn't been the sort of investment on the field that many of us thought could happen. Whichever way, I'd much, much rather King Kev I than some of the clowns we've had to endure.

 

[SheepdipBlade]

He is responsible for the allowed budget though. The problem seems to be that some think he has an almost endless supply of used £5 notes. Granted, I'd settle for being £5 behind him, but he can't just go to the bank and get £10m out.

That said, there hasn't been the sort of investment on the field that many of us thought could happen. Whichever way, I'd much, much rather King Kev I than some of the clowns we've had to endure.

And some of us have been around long enough to remember when the South Stand nearly bankrupt the club - leading to us selling our entire strike force on one day, and us playing in Div 4 - - so McCabe is right to keep us living within our means even though it might appear as "lack of ambition".

But I'd agree that we've been very quiet in the tranfer market - especially for the kind of signings that might excite the fans - maybe tomorrow's press conf will change that (though I'm not getting my hopes up just yet!!)

 

[happyhippy]

And some of us have been around long enough to remember when the South Stand nearly bankrupt the club - leading to us selling our entire strike force on one day, and us playing in Div 4 - - so McCabe is right to keep us living within our means even though it might appear as "lack of ambition".

But I'd agree that we've been very quiet in the tranfer market - especially for the kind of signings that might excite the fans - maybe tomorrow's press conf will change that (though I'm not getting my hopes up just yet!!)

Verily, verily, yea and verily.

 

[BexleyBlade]

So as predicted and fully expected, to coincide with the official announcement about Kyle Naughton and Kyle Walker departing for Tottenham, the inevitable board slagging begins.
I’d like all those who have/are slating the Board, Blackie, McCabe....to cast their minds back 12 months when if someone had lodged a combined bid of £1million for the pair of them most fans would have snapped their hands off.
The offer was a bloody good offer in my opinion, no doubt increased due to some of the ludicrous prices being given for other players around the world.
There is no escaping the fact both players are very talented and have plenty of ability and in my opinion they will go far, I sincerely hope so anyway.
McCabe/The Board do NOT lack ambition, they just simply possess common sense. They have been offered a large amount of money for 2 reasonably unproven players. Naughton has played 40 games for United all of which were in the Championship. Walker has made only a hand full!
Think back to other young “starlets” that have or could have left United for pastures new in reasonably big deals.....
Wayne Quinn for example, sold to Newcastle for £800,000 (a pretty big sum 8 years ago) and where is he now??
Before Naughton started to shine, the main young defender from the Championship who was being touted about as being fancied by bigger clubs was Mark Beavers of our city neighbours. A dire second season means he’s not even mentioned anymore, and was dropped from their team a few times. Who’s to say the same won’t have happened to Naughton? That having burst onto the scenes and being relatively unknown he was a star, but now that managers will have wised up and seen him will know better how to deal with him.....it could have quite easily happened, and in 12 months time we’d have been saying “Why didn’t we take the money!!” – Just like we did with Michael Tonge!

Its all well and good using the Wayne Quinn's, Michael Tongue's etc. of this world, but what about the Jags deal?

Show a bit of bottle, it can pay off.

OK, £1million would have seemed incredible 12months ago but thats a pointless statement to make, like saying "well £80million for Ronaldo, I'll take £8million" 6 years ago.

£8million to us is understandably hard to resist but in the long run, is it really that significant in the bigger picture, the ultimate goal of the promised land worth tens of millions?

Have a bit of bottle McCabe, do us fans right and stop faffing around with pointless hotels and inevitably empty seats at the back of the Kop. Oh, and please quit the blatant lies about 'shutters' and 'deadlines' - giving us false hope.

We pay week in week out to watch 11 men pull on our stripes to play FOOTBALL and if those 11 men could be better than what he have, or not worse at the very least, I'd rather that be the case than have a pretty little hotel for all the prawnies to stay in. If we are the BIG, AMBITIOUS, PROGRESSING club we're made out to be by the likes of yourselves, walk the walk because the talk just isn't cutting it right now.

I'll bide my time and see what tomorrow brings, if its shit, I'll still be there next year, the year after and subsequent years after that. I just can't help thinking what might have been...

 

[Sensiblade]

Its all well and good using the Wayne Quinn's, Michael Tongue's etc. of this world, but what about the Jags deal?

As has been said before.
The Jags deal was down to the Clause in his contract (be it a good clause or not) so there was now negotiating to be done on price, it was set.

And on the fafing around with hotels and stands bit, don't you think McCabe might be trying to secure the long term future of the club rather than pandering to the 'spend big for a short term gain' attitude quite a few pople seem to be calling for.

I for one still want to be watching United play professional football when I'm old and grayer rather than have the team risk bankruptcy from squandering money left right and center on player wages that may or may not bring a return.

 

[metalblade]

Did selling Jones and Birchenhall strengthen the team, Tony Currie, Alex Sabella, Brian Deane twice, Fjortoft, Dellas Borbokis etc to name a few, did ANY of these sales strengthen the team or did hard times soon follow ? Now in the last six months we have sold the crown jewels yet again, so why will it be any different this time, we are still a selling club and McCabe is no different to the shite that has gone before him. NO AMBITION.

 

[Sensiblade]

Did selling Jones and Birchenhall strengthen the team, Tony Currie, Alex Sabella, Brian Deane twice, Fjortoft, Dellas Borbokis etc to name a few, did ANY of these sales strengthen the team or did hard times soon follow ? Now in the last six months we have sold the crown jewels yet again, so why will it be any different this time, we are still a selling club and McCabe is no different to the shite that has gone before him. NO AMBITION.

No one can tell if there will be hard times just because we have sold 2 young fullbacks.
The sales of the other players you mention hurt a lot more because on a whole thy were unexpected.
I along with many others expected the Kyles to go and they have.

McCabe and the board now are far and away better than previous boards we have had.
Most of us mear supporters cannot and will never see the goings on behind the scenes, so to say there is no ambition without seeing the whole picture in my opinion is unjust.

Anywho, lets see what the press conference brings.

 

[happyhippy]

Its all well and good using the Wayne Quinn's, Michael Tongue's etc. of this world, but what about the Jags deal?

What about it? The way of the world unfortunately is with ££££££. Unless we're all going to troop off to non-league pastures new and completely ignore our beloved Blades, then we have to accept that decisions have to be made financially.

There wasn't a Blade on the planet who didn't know how important he was to our potential survival when we went up (and lest we forget we were only one bloody goal away), so it was hardly surprising that he had a release clause if we got relegated. I dare say some others may have done. Thing was, nobody else went .....