Disgrace

[PeterNdlovu081]

It can be both. Any of the ridiculously long times added on have always been in games where we lead. Stupid amounts of time give us ample to scope to fuck it up.

Nobody says that the refs are fiddling an otherwise gloriously solid team of prime-Maldini defending…

So if you're saying it's both then which teams are the officials biased against?

Have a look at that penalty that was given against West Ham earlier. It's one of the worst decisions I've seen in a long time. Never, ever a penalty in a million years at any level of the game.

And then there was a daft amount of time added on just like in our game.

Where's the bias, where's the corruption?

Why are Newcastle being helped against West Ham? What is going on?

Please explain it to me.

 

[Greystones Blade]

Not just our defence but the officials today. Can someone tell me where 14 mins came from? When that board went up it felt like conceding a goal and could tell the players heads went down.

7 goal celebrations + 8 substitutions + 2 VARs + injury times… not surprised it was 14 minutes…

 

[ChrisBlade]

So if you're saying it's both then which teams are the officials biased against?

Have a look at that penalty that was given against West Ham earlier. It's one of the worst decisions I've seen in a long time. Never, ever a penalty in a million years at any level of the game.

And then there was a daft amount of time added on just like in our game.

Where's the bias, where's the corruption?

Why are Newcastle being helped against West Ham? What is going on?

Please explain it to me.

The word corruption is maybe a touch emotive.

But the referees have a clear tendency to make life easy for themselves, both on the pitch and on VAR.

Yes, there is rank incompetence. But stuff like fouls for very little, headers competed for by the likes of McBurnie, thrown-ins if in doubt, the evaluation of petulance, the amount of time added on are given on a principle of least resistance expected.

They say nine if we lead, seven if we don’t. If you are planning to pull me up on the „we“, substitute for the „less glamorous“ team or in other cases „away side“.

Such bias for staying out of troubled with the press, pundits or more outspoken but favoured managers may be another function of incompetence, but you cannot be serious if you tell me that you feel that Burnley, us, Wolves or Forest on average get the numerous inadvertent margin calls anywhere near 50% when playing more established opposition.

It was this way in 2007. Even in our year of glory in the Prem, we literally were the guinea pig for VAR on many occasions. Ghost goal, elongated toe about 28 seconds prior to a goal three phases of play back, offside flagged but goal stood despite everybody stopping and staring.

All of it incompetence? Or conveniently low-key opportunities to tweak interpretation in matches of limited interest? With PGMOL covering their mates while saying „lads, can you imagine Pep or Kloppo having to suck this one up?“

I do not sense a specific anti-United agenda, but the percentages are stacked 55-45 against teams of our ilk in particular in small margin events.

 

[ATL Recs]

Not just our defence but the officials today. Can someone tell me where 14 mins came from? When that board went up it felt like conceding a goal and could tell the players heads went down.

Well everyone around me called 8-10

 

[finlaytheblade]

To be fair, we also had 14 minutes to score a goal.

Don’t see why we took McBurnie off.

Just let him be there. He was playing well.

Not as if we’re getting anything in the next game anyway.

Mcbernie rarely completes a full match so no surprise there.
What annoys me is putting trusty on at left back after what Arsenal did to him he should never have played him there ,Osborne was finding it tough but was competing.Wilder must take some responsibility for what happened late on.
He keeps talking about players who can't get fit enough to play 99 minutes well it was 110 today.we had players out on there feet with cramp ( souza who has played just about every game even he got cramp)I'm not one for criticism of fitness levels but it is obvious we are lacking in the dept .why bring Norwood on he can't raise a gallop,we can choose from 9 subs ! young Brooksy can't get any minutes now why?.just about everyone round me was
critical of wilders subs.We somehow survived the last 12 minutes of added time. Bringing on Norwood and Trusty just handed the initiative to Fulham.Dont blame trusty he is never a left back,Brooksy has played left back a few times at 21 level ! He couldn't have done any worse than Trusty.who has no pace on the turn his confidence is shattered being hung out to dry at left back..

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

Even in our year of glory in the Prem, we literally were the guinea pig for VAR on many occasions. Ghost goal, elongated toe about 28 seconds prior to a goal three phases of play back, offside flagged but goal stood despite everybody stopping and staring.

I could name just as many that went in our favour.

Blatantly penalty for Liverpool at Bramall Lane that was never even looked at. The last minute McBurnie handball against Man Utd that was quashed. The last minute disallowed West Ham VAR equaliser. That bullshit Harry Kane goal scored against us that was chalked off when he was on the floor.

Were Liverpool, Man Utd, West Ham and Tottenham also guinea pigs?

It's all just nonsense.

 

[finlaytheblade]

Mcbernie rarely completes a full match so no surprise there.
What annoys me is putting trusty on at left back after what Arsenal did to him he should never have played him there ,Osborne was finding it tough but was competing.Wilder must take some responsibility for what happened late on.
He keeps talking about players who can't get fit enough to play 99 minutes well it was 110 today.we had players out on there feet with cramp ( souza who has played just about every game even he got cramp)I'm not one for criticism of fitness levels but it is obvious we are lacking in the dept .why bring Norwood on he can't raise a gallop,we can choose from 9 subs ! young Brooksy can't get any minutes now why?.just about everyone round me was
critical of wilders subs.We somehow survived the last 12 minutes of added time. Bringing on Norwood and Trusty just handed the initiative to Fulham.Dont blame trusty he is never a left back,Brooksy has played left back a few times at 21 level ! He couldn't have done any worse than Trusty.who has no pace on the turn his confidence is shattered being hung out to dry at left back..

Wilder says he is a better manager this time round and the Prince feels the same.
Well! he is yet to show it for me .his team selections and the way he uses subs is poor He has a lot to prove in my eyes and I am not alone on that score .

 

[steve26272]

Who gives a fuck if he puts 14 or 4 up. Fact is we are winning the game 3-1 and in total control. Seee the fucking game out. That’s exactly why we are where we are because we are a championship side. It’s our own faults not the officials simple as that we need to stop blaming every fucker and take control of our own decision making and fuck ups

Had we been 3-2 down but pressing for equaliser and 4 mins is flashed up we’d be shouting as there was x2 4 mins VAR plus 5 a minute per goal celebrations, plus Vini & Blaster situations

Didn’t complain when Norwoods penalty got banged in, latest goal this season did we?

Some people need to stop playing the victim and look closer to home at players not doing their jobs and the same stupid subs creating the same problems

When it went to 3-2 it was like watching a film for the 6th time, you knew how it would end.

 

[coolasanidiot]

Trusty performance was a disgrace. Mind blowingly bad.

 

[finlaytheblade]

Trusty performance was a disgrace. Mind blowingly bad.

Maybe the manager is a disgrace putting Trusty at left back ! He is totally lost there !.Just don't get the logic of putting him there.
Wilder signed Robinson from Forest where he had been playing left back, surely a more sensible move would be to put him there putting Trusty in the centre back position Robbo had been playing.

 

[coolasanidiot]

Maybe the manager is a disgrace putting Trusty at left back ! He is totally lost there !.Just don't get the logic of putting him there.
Wilder signed Robinson from Forest where he had been playing left back, surely a more sensible move would be to put him there putting Trusty in the centre back position Robbo had been playing.

I agree totally. But Trusty literally looked like he’s never played football before it was appalling.

 

[Champagneblade]

114 minute game with his injury record… is your suggestion?

Some fans forget that he isn’t rated by a lot of people. Half don’t want him here next season in the championship.

Now we demand he stays on for 114 minutes.

114? 104. Appreciate his fitness issues but I’m not convinced another 14 minutes would have had us calling the undertaker.

 

[finlaytheblade]

114? 104. Appreciate his fitness issues but I’m not convinced another 14 minutes would have had us calling the undertaker.

Not 100% sold on Mcbernie myself but ! He goes off against Bournmouth and we lose 2 goals same applied yesterday would we have conceded all 4 goals ?
Not in my opinion!.
Just what is Wilder saving him for ?
the run in ? Well that's already started and we are running out of games fast . Just where would we have been with those 4 points .
Just don't get it.
I'm fast coming to the conclusion Wilder is not that bothered if we go down as its a free hit for him,Happy to blame lack of fitness not his naff substitutions selling us short..
I was furious ( are you listening George ) the way Wilder left last time leaving us in the shit ! he will get hounded out this time if he can't find a remedy for the 100+ goals we are going to concede this season! That is unforgivable ! Oh of course Wilder is not to blame for that embarrassment is he.
He is of course the best man for the job Princes words not mine
Rant over !!!!

 

[Bladezz]

114? 104. Appreciate his fitness issues but I’m not convinced another 14 minutes would have had us calling the undertaker.

You must be new to Sheffield United. Walking on to the pitch normally means calling the undertaker.

But asking an athlete to play that amount of time when they struggle to make 90 minutes is going to have the sports science team running into the pitch.

 

[finlaytheblade]

You must be new to Sheffield United. Walking on to the pitch normally means calling the undertaker.

But asking an athlete to play that amount of time when they struggle to make 90 minutes is going to have the sports science team running into the pitch.

I get what your saying! We will rue not pushing him further ! Looking at the table ! Mcbernie is far from a mobile player, just keeping him on the pitch and him falling back in defensive situations would have made a big difference .
Are we saving him for Scotland and the euros ( if chosen) will be interesting seeing what happens.
A rest is what he needs not summer football if his injuries are so debilitating.
I will look on with interest.
A fit and youthful Mcbernie ( if he resigns) will be awesome in the championship! I say fit and youthful which he hasn't been most of the time in the last 2 or more seasons. how many matches has he completed during that time! I will be surprised if it is much more than a dozen.

 

[1973Blade]

When Basham was injured at Fulham and needed the full medical treatment there was 14 minutes added on, the same as yesterday.

 

[PrestwichBlade]

I don't really understand why people are moaning about 14 added minutes as if it was really detrimental to the result; they equalised 3 minutes into it and we held on for the rest. I mean heaven forbid we utilise the added time to score a goal ourselves

 

[AWetFlannel]

Totally agree. All the hard of thinking sat around me were booing the ref but seemed to be letting our school boy defending and 'game changing' substitutes off scot free...

Absolutely appalling defending.

Booing the ref is doing your job as a fan. If you sit there neutrally observing the game, respectful of the officials and opposing players you may as well go watch rugby or tennis instead.

 

[Pollingtonblade]

The only disgrace is that in our last two games we have failed to hold on to a 2 goal lead.

Another one is the fact our players aren't fit enough to last a full match.

There is no ref or pl conspiracy against us, nor are they trying to save Everton.

 

[Mumbo]

I don't really understand why people are moaning about 14 added minutes as if it was really detrimental to the result; they equalised 3 minutes into it and we held on for the rest. I mean heaven forbid we utilise the added time to score a goal ourselves

When the board went up with 14 mins, I went from being fairly confident of a win to nailed on losing or drawing, the change in the crowd was massive.
Is it possible that the players and management also got jittery and lost confidence due to our habit of chucking points away?

 

[PrestwichBlade]

When the board went up with 14 mins, I went from being fairly confident of a win to nailed on losing or drawing, the change in the crowd was massive.
Is it possible that the players and management also got jittery and lost confidence due to our habit of chucking points away?

Probably, but they have to deal with it, everyone knows there's more time added on these days.

 

[Champagneblade]

I get what your saying! We will rue not pushing him further ! Looking at the table ! Mcbernie is far from a mobile player, just keeping him on the pitch and him falling back in defensive situations would have made a big difference .
Are we saving him for Scotland and the euros ( if chosen) will be interesting seeing what happens.
A rest is what he needs not summer football if his injuries are so debilitating.
I will look on with interest.
A fit and youthful Mcbernie ( if he resigns) will be awesome in the championship! I say fit and youthful which he hasn't been most of the time in the last 2 or more seasons. how many matches has he completed during that time! I will be surprised if it is much more than a dozen.

Not sure if there is any chance but if we got McBurnie and Brereton-Diaz in the Championship together they’d run riot.

At least we are scoring. The problem now is the other end.

 

[Proper Blade]

The referees will have been briefed before the season started about the habits of every team.

I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that they will have been briefed about 'what we're like', and how we're going to try and waste time. So they clamp down on it against us.

That's not a conspiracy theory, that's just an entirely logical explanation for the nonsensical amounts of injury time we've had to play this season.

Football has been ruined by these utter fucking cretins in Stockley Park. They've seized control of the game and they're not going to let go. It will only get worse and worse and worse and worse.

 

[Brian Blessed]

The referees will have been briefed before the season started about the habits of every team.

I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that they will have been briefed about 'what we're like', and how we're going to try and waste time. So they clamp down on it against us.

That's not a conspiracy theory, that's just an entirely logical explanation for the nonsensical amounts of injury time we've had to play this season.

Football has been ruined by these utter fucking cretins in Stockley Park. They've seized control of the game and they're not going to let go. It will only get worse and worse and worse and worse.

No, it's a conspiracy theory / victim mentality. So why have Villa and Spurs averaged 2 minutes a game more injury time in their games than United have?

If 14 minutes was "nonsensical", how many minutes do YOU think should have been added on yesterday? Given that there were 8 minutes taken for VAR checks (needlessly long but that time still has to go back on), 5 goals, 7 subs, and a lengthy injury stoppage?

 

[Proper Blade]

No, it's a conspiracy theory / victim mentality. So why have Villa and Spurs averaged 2 minutes a game more injury time in their games than United have?

If 14 minutes was "nonsensical", how many minutes do YOU think should have been added on yesterday? Given that there were 8 minutes taken for VAR checks (needlessly long but that time still has to go back on), 5 goals, 7 subs, and a lengthy injury stoppage?

The VAR checks were not 8 minutes long - you have just made that up and you have no idea what they actually were. Correct? The 7 subs were made in 3 'events' which adds up to 90 seconds. The injury break was less than 5.

So yep, thanks for proving my point. 14 minutes was nonsensical and the result of referees clamping down on our supposed time wasting.

I despair at anyone who tries to defend 14 minutes being added onto the end of a football match. These cunts are ruining football and people like you are letting it happen.

 

[Brian Blessed]

The VAR checks were not 8 minutes long - you have just made that up and you have no idea what they actually were. Correct? The 7 subs were made in 3 'events' which adds up to 90 seconds. The injury break was less than 5.

So yep, thanks for proving my point. 14 minutes was nonsensical and the result of referees clamping down on our supposed time wasting.

I despair at anyone who tries to defend 14 minutes being added onto the end of a football match. These cunts are ruining football and people like you are letting it happen.

I saw the game and sat through the checks - if you're saying it wasn't 8 then you tell me how long the VAR checks actually took then?

Let's be ultra conservative and go with 5 (it wasn’t) and add your also conservative 90 seconds for subs and 5 minutes for the injury / general stoppages. It's still 11-12 minutes which would have made fuck all difference to the outcome. The result was another kick in the bollocks but all this fucking whinging about it all being down to corruption makes people sound like right cunts.

 

[finlaytheblade]

The VAR checks were not 8 minutes long - you have just made that up and you have no idea what they actually were. Correct? The 7 subs were made in 3 'events' which adds up to 90 seconds. The injury break was less than 5.

So yep, thanks for proving my point. 14 minutes was nonsensical and the result of referees clamping down on our supposed time wasting.

I despair at anyone who tries to defend 14 minutes being added onto the end of a football match. These cunts are ruining football and people like you are letting it happen.

When all these stoppages and events take place does the ref keep a running total in his head or does he stop his watch. If its in his head then he can easily get that wrong.
Maybe the best way is to have the ref signal a timekeeper who responds to the refs signal to stop the match timepiece and start it again with another signal.When times up ! an hooter sounds and that's it ! Whatever is happening on the pitch. Works well in Rugby they seem to have a better carry on with all this modern technology.

 

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[finlaytheblade]

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[Trigger Blade]

I saw the game and sat through the checks - if you're saying it wasn't 8 then you tell me how long the VAR checks actually took then?

Let's be ultra conservative and go with 5 (it wasn’t) and add your also conservative 90 seconds for subs and 5 minutes for the injury / general stoppages. It's still 11-12 minutes which would have made fuck all difference to the outcome. The result was another kick in the bollocks but all this fucking whinging about it all being down to corruption makes people sound like right cunts.

Our guess was 8-10 minutes, based on a couple of injuries, Blaster was one, 8 subs = 4 minutes, plus 2 x VAR checks.

As spectators, we’re hopelessly badly informed, including yesterday’s check for violent conduct without knowing which team the offender was playing for. It would surely be possible for the 4th official to report publicly afterwards how the added time is arrived at.

Personally, I think extended VAR checks should be curtailed with a maximum limit imposed, 60 seconds, and if they can’t decide in that time, it can’t be clear and obvious, so the decision given/not given stands. That would have cut the time yesterday to about 8 minutes (and coincidentally left us 4-1 up at 85 minutes, even we couldn’t have cocked that up).