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boo radley said:
Oh perhaps on the Monday after the play off final If Wendy manage to get to the final you could reproduce the famous Green Un front page from the 5th of May 1990. After all it will still be within that Month. Or if they get knocked out in the Semis it would also be appropriate on that day or even if they do not make the playoffs.
All them days would be appropriate according to what you have done this week.
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Absolutely it would.
 
Danny04 said:
That'd allow me to predict the future? No-one knew what was going to happen for a certainty and Retro had nothing to do with main sports coverage, so take your moronic comments elsewhere
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Danny, you can't really use the "no-one knew what was going to happen for a certainty" argument here and on the same page "relax Blades, you'll get your 16-page champions supplement".... can you?
 
Danny, all you have done today is make a bad decision worse. 10 pages into the thread and you continue to be a lone voice sticking up for a crass piece of editorial stupidity, or do you think that we are the stupid ones?

The fact that not a single SUFC supporter agrees with your stance is all the evidence you need. Blades fans are, again, pissed off by The Star. It should have been anticipated but wasn't. Now that The Star has been firmly told by United fans that we consider the choice of our Promotion Weekend as the wrong time to run a story about our defeat against the other Sheffield team, an appropriate response would be an acknowledgment that The Star got it wrong, again, and an apology to Blades fans.

What we'd like you to do, instead of clogging up the forum with excuses, it to pass that message on when you get to work. Do that, and we'll wait to see what the response from the editor is before Blades fans decide, finally, whether to boycott The Star for good.
 
Danny04 said:
Wouldn't have the first clue. I, and 50% of our sports desk, weren't even born then, never mind working for The Star
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Research not relevant to journalism these days?

Anyhow, I find it hard to believe you've not heard about it. You may even have been involved in threads in the past on here when it's been mentioned.

I think you need to stop digging Danny all well and good to defend your newspaper but at least make a good fist of it. All you're doing is confirming many people's opinions of what goes on down there, whether it's bias, idiocy or alienating potential readers and not caring a hoot, pun intended.
 
Danny04 said:
Evidently we thought the seven pages on United promotion would be the focus, not two on Blades and Owls doing the city proud at Wembley 24 years earlier. I'm not some kind of official spokesperson, as I say I was dragged into this thread and tried to give some kind of insight into the process
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I have not read , it but did you mention the poor lad that lost his life that day , at the hands of a thug ? Doing the city proud my arse ?
 
TonyAgana said:
Danny, you can't really use the "no-one knew what was going to happen for a certainty" argument here and on the same page "relax Blades, you'll get your 16-page champions supplement".... can you?
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Different argument, TA. My response about certainly was to a comment which suggested we purposefully put that out *because* United won promotion and we wanted to rain on it, for some reason. My point was that it was done and dusted before that and we were too busy throwing ourselves into seven pages of Blades reaction, and 20+ stories online, by the Sunday.
In contrast, we'd give ourselves a day to plan, fill, design and print a 16-page pull out if we waited until it was confirmed. So obviously we can't wait and we're cracking on.
Sorry if some of that got lost in translation. Still early for me
 
Sean Thornton said:
Research not relevant to journalism these days?

Anyhow, I find it hard to believe you've not heard about it. You may even have been involved in threads in the past on here when it's been mentioned.

I think you need to stop digging Danny all well and good to defend your newspaper but at least make a good fist of it. All you're doing is confirming many people's opinions of what goes on down there, whether it's bias, idiocy or alienating potential readers and not caring a hoot, pun intended.
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Of course I've heard about it, it gets chucked at us all the time. I have no idea of the ins and outs, whose idea it was. No-one from then is around anymore. It's the past.
 
Danny04 said:
Wouldn't have the first clue. I, and 50% of our sports desk, weren't even born then, never mind working for The Star
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I wasn't born in 1925 but I still know that United won the FA Cup that year. Beat Cardiff 1 nil at Wembley, Fred Tunstall scored.

By the way, I'm reliably informed that The Stars headline the following Monday was "Owls Bathed in Glory" as "The Wednesday" were treated to a weekend in Cleethorpes to celebrate their achievement of their 14th place finish in the second division, complete with a 4 page picture pull out special of the players frolicking about in the surf;)
 
TBW57 said:
Danny, all you have done today is make a bad decision worse. 10 pages into the thread and you continue to be a lone voice sticking up for a crass piece of editorial stupidity, or do you think that we are the stupid ones?

The fact that not a single SUFC supporter agrees with your stance is all the evidence you need. Blades fans are, again, pissed off by The Star. It should have been anticipated but wasn't. Now that The Star has been firmly told by United fans that we consider the choice of our Promotion Weekend as the wrong time to run a story about our defeat against the other Sheffield team, an appropriate response would be an acknowledgment that The Star got it wrong, again, and an apology to Blades fans.

What we'd like you to do, instead of clogging up the forum with excuses, it to pass that message on when you get to work. Do that, and we'll wait to see what the response from the editor is before Blades fans decide, finally, whether to boycott The Star for good.
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I don't want him to apologise for the Star. Be nice if he could stop his defence of it as it's generally irrelevant to points many are making and are simy diversions which he seems to think will fool us.

As I said, see the facebook page. Very thin skinned and seemingly co ordinated attacks on critics.
 



Bayingblade said:
I wasn't born in 1925 but I still know that United won the FA Cup that year. Beat Cardiff 1 nil at Wembley, Fred Tunstall scored.

By the way, I'm reliably informed that The Stars headline the following Monday was "Owls Bathed in Glory" as "The Wednesday" were treated to a weekend in Cleethorpes to celebrate their achievement of their 14th place finish in the second division, complete with a 4 page picture pull out special of the players frolicking about in the surf;)
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Only four? ;)
 
Danny04 said:
Different argument, TA. My response about certainly was to a comment which suggested we purposefully put that out *because* United won promotion and we wanted to rain on it, for some reason. My point was that it was done and dusted before that and we were too busy throwing ourselves into seven pages of Blades reaction, and 20+ stories online, by the Sunday.
In contrast, we'd give ourselves a day to plan, fill, design and print a 16-page pull out if we waited until it was confirmed. So obviously we can't wait and we're cracking on.
Sorry if some of that got lost in translation. Still early for me
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Everybody else's point is that you should have thought about its publication date clashing with our possible promotion, something, despite your claims to the contrary, that you haven't, and clearly don't want to, address.

The production timescale is irrelevant, no matter how you break it down. At the best it's crass stupidity from a number of people. At worst it cements the claim of bias.

The decline in your readership through technology is accelerated by shit journalism and bad management, as this proves. And you for one seem to think that's okay.
 
Danny04 said:
Only four? ;)
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Yes, although it was supplemented by another 4 pager detailing the "1st division return" ticket pricing for the following season (which was successful by the way, unlike "the premiership return" ticket) with various articles and interviews with local dignitaries (including numerous local councillors) stating why you needed to purchase imminently given that demand was high and the three hundred thousand tickets were expected to sell quickly. It seems the Earl of South Barnsley made a particularly compelling case.:rolleyes:

Be good if you could address my point re: alienating potential readership btw?
 
Bayingblade said:
Yes, although it was supplemented by another 4 pager detailing the "1st division return" ticket pricing for the following season (which was successful by the way, unlike "the premiership return" ticket) with various articles and interviews with local dignitaries (including numerous local councillors) stating why you needed to purchase imminently given that demand was high and the three hundred thousand tickets were expected to sell quickly. It seems the Earl of South Barnsley made a particularly compelling case.:rolleyes:

Be good if you could address my point re: alienating potential readership btw?
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Message your point to me and we'll have a chat
 
Danny04 said:
Posted this elsewhere but it's relevant here too, Martin. It wasn't chosen to do it today. It's a section where we look back at big games around the current date, over the years. Pick a bigger game in Sheffield in early April from the past? Spread (not a 'big spread' as there's no such thing) also leads heavily on Alan Kelly's stunning performance.
The Retro section was polished off on Friday, before anyone knew what was gonna happen over the weekend.
In the end, there were seven pages on promotion in today's paper. 21 stories online. 16-page Champions pull out in the pipeline.
Just offering an insight into how it actually works :)
All the best
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Disingenuous nonsense. The editorial policy is to favour the Pigs, whether Danny knows, believes or simply closes his eyes to it or not. Do a controlled quantitative assessment over any meaningful period and you'll see. They'll have more column inches, more 'main headlines, more photos, the lot.

An admission and mitigation is always more impressive than a transparently spurious defence.
 
Pinchy said:
Disingenuous nonsense. The editorial policy is to favour the Pigs, whether Danny knows, believes or simply closes his eyes to it or not. Do a controlled quantitative assessment over any meaningful period and you'll see. They'll have more column inches, more 'main headlines, more photos, the lot.

An admission and mitigation is always more impressive than a transparently spurious defence.
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If the editorial policy isn't known by the staff, it's not much of a policy is it?
 
I was going to buy last nights Star. I didn't bother. The reason being obvious to most Blades on here. If The Star wants to continue as a viable enterprise then they should really look at trying to SELL the thing rather than alienate a large proportion of its possible sale target.
My lost sale multiplied by a few hundred, ongoing, would seriously damage its future. New brains required at our local "news" publication.
 
Danny04 said:
Different argument, TA. My response about certainly was to a comment which suggested we purposefully put that out *because* United won promotion and we wanted to rain on it, for some reason. My point was that it was done and dusted before that and we were too busy throwing ourselves into seven pages of Blades reaction, and 20+ stories online, by the Sunday.
In contrast, we'd give ourselves a day to plan, fill, design and print a 16-page pull out if we waited until it was confirmed. So obviously we can't wait and we're cracking on.
Sorry if some of that got lost in translation. Still early for me
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So is the 2-page article about "doing the city proud" published every year around 8th/9th April then?
 
Danny04 said:
If the editorial policy isn't known by the staff, it's not much of a policy is it?
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Some of us have been around a long time, Danny. A bit longer than you, with respect. It's always been the case. Shall we check it out over a measured month, say? It wont go your way...
 
Pinchy said:
Some of us have been around a long time, Danny. A bit longer than you, with respect. It's always been the case. Shall we check it out over a measured month, say? It wont go your way...
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With respect, older doesn't always mean wiser in my experience. Feel free, please let me know the results. I'd be fascinated to hear them
 



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