Diego

[LoughboroBlade]

Some more quotes from Adkins saying essentially the same really:

"If someone shows the right attitude and ability, then they will get their chance. It’s as simple as that.

“Bringing lads through the ranks, producing its own players, is something Sheffield United already enjoy an excellent reputation for and it’s an area we want to improve even further.

“But, and this is vitally important, opportunities will only be given to those who demonstrate they are worthy of them. That’s because character and application are absolutely key.

“Those who have done that haven’t been put in the side because they’re already in our own system. They’re not given any favours or special treatment.

“They’ve made the progress they have on their own merits. And, providing they continue to show the same qualities, then they and others will be used again in the future."

Did I say Adkins? Sorry, I meant Clough, almost exactly a year ago: http://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/shef...-the-kids-will-be-alright-says-boss-1-6689356

 

[Pinchy]

Lol. As I thought....No evidence of daft dadness!

Merely a 'juxtaposition' in an interview about fixtures and a final Q relating to DDG.

NA 'As you rightly say he's a talented player.......Get him in see him on the training ground, take e'm away and like with all of the players, we'll asses what we've got and take it from there, I want people with the right attitude the right behaviours and the right ability to do well for Sheffield United".

When you say crystal clear, are we talking as in beyond reasonable doubt or balance of probabilities? Or is it just a general rubbishing as clearly he has an 'attitude problem'?

I don't know the lad myself but cocky 19 year old, who'dathunkit! never met one of those before! What he needs is a good manager who can get the best out of him......

Why do you think he mentioned attitude and behaviour in the context of a question about the Fourth Division Flop? Be sensible and logical and leave aside your rather bizarre adoration of De Juve and his Daft Dad for a moment, if you can...

Poor managers at York, Northampton and SUFC U-21s eh? Well, I'll give you the final one...

 

[Pinchy]

Some more quotes from Adkins saying essentially the same really:

"If someone shows the right attitude and ability, then they will get their chance. It’s as simple as that.

“Bringing lads through the ranks, producing its own players, is something Sheffield United already enjoy an excellent reputation for and it’s an area we want to improve even further.

“But, and this is vitally important, opportunities will only be given to those who demonstrate they are worthy of them. That’s because character and application are absolutely key.

“Those who have done that haven’t been put in the side because they’re already in our own system. They’re not given any favours or special treatment.

“They’ve made the progress they have on their own merits. And, providing they continue to show the same qualities, then they and others will be used again in the future."

Did I say Adkins? Sorry, I meant Clough, almost exactly a year ago: http://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/shef...-the-kids-will-be-alright-says-boss-1-6689356

And only members of DADDDAS [Diego And Diego's Daft Dad Appreciation Society] or the anti-Clough Single-Agenda Delegation [SAD] would disagree with that.

Clough has a good record with bringing through young players. I wonder why Diego has proved an exception? Everyone out of step except the Boy Wonder?....

 

[super_pig]

Clough has a good record with bringing through young players. I wonder why Diego has proved an exception? Everyone out of step except the Boy Wonder?....

has he? you mean like McNulty and Che?.. i can't see how you can become so obsessional about DeG.. how many games has he played for us.. three??

 

[LoughboroBlade]

And only members of DADDDAS [Diego And Diego's Daft Dad Appreciation Society] or the anti-Clough Single-Agenda Delegation [SAD] would disagree with that.

Clough has a good record with bringing through young players. I wonder why Diego has proved an exception! Everyone out of step except the Boy Wonder?....

The only thing I would say is that "right attitude" is generally quite a subjective term. Do we know if the right attitude for Adkins is the same as for Clough? Not really no - Adkins may well be willing to be flexible in accepting someone with less of the attitude boxes ticked if they are of a sufficient level to justify it. We'll only know more as we see his decision-making over the course of a season - what I would say though is that Clough's approach towards our young players over the season matched exactly what he said it would a year ago.

 

[Pinchy]

The only thing I would say is that "right attitude" is generally quite a subjective term. Do we know if the right attitude for Adkins is the same as for Clough? Not really no - Adkins may well be willing to be flexible in accepting someone with less of the attitude boxes ticked if they are of a sufficient level to justify it. We'll only know more as we see his decision-making over the course of a season - what I would say though is that Clough's approach towards our young players over the season matched exactly what he said it would a year ago.

There is a certain base standard of "right attitude" though, and all but the most blinkered DADDDAS supporters rather suspect that our 0/10 hero has fallen below that standard. It's not a good idea for a wet behind the years novice to purport to dictate what position he should play in, how often he should play and whether he should run around with a little more enthusiasm.

I'm afraid I have to keep the uncomfortable truths alive...without them we'll all end up as parochial S2 Bladey Blades...

 

[bramptonblade]

That's OK then. I had real doubts about NA myself, but now I know that he has had a good old chat with Diego's Daft Dad and the rest of the De Juve family (and a few mates, perhaps) and got their seal of approval...

Time of the month?

 

[Pinchy]

Time of the month?

No. Just awestruck that the great De Juve and the vast well of footballing knowledge in his family approve of our choice of manager. I'm not surprised he consulted them all on his plans for next season. Who wouldn't?...

 

[mosbolad]

No. Just awestruck that the great De Juve and the vast well of footballing knowledge in his family approve of our choice of manager. I'm not surprised he consulted them all on his plans for next season. Who wouldn't?...

 

[super_pig]

There is a certain base standard of "right attitude" though, and all but the most blinkered DADDDAS supporters rather suspect that our 0/10 hero has fallen below that standard. It's not a good idea for a wet behind the years novice to purport to dictate what position he should play in, how often he should play and whether he should run around with a little more enthusiasm.

I'm afraid I have to keep the uncomfortable truths alive...without them we'll all end up as parochial S2 Bladey Blades...

heh.. all of this is pure speculation.. we have no idea what went on between Clough and quite possibly half the squad of which Diego is no exception

 

[Pinchy]

heh.. all of this is pure speculation.. we have no idea what went on between Clough and quite possibly half the squad of which Diego is no exception

As I've said previously mate, all the clues are there. Leave Clough aside and listen to NA's interview. You can't seriously believe that his reference to "attitude" and "behaviour" in the same breath as "Diego" was a coincidence? I think he, and you, are intelligent enough to know the history...

 

[super_pig]

well we'll see. clean slate and all of that..
hopefully it will work out in our favour for a change.. (wow..do i detect a hint of optimism? where on earth did that come from?)

 

[mosbolad]

As I've said previously mate, all the clues are there. Leave Clough aside and listen to NA's interview. You can't seriously believe that his reference to "attitude" and "behaviour" in the same breath as "Diego" was a coincidence? I think he, and you, are intelligent enough to know the history...

 

[Dog Blade]

Seems to me Diego was the type of 'young star' that needed a bit of TLC and some encouragement. Good managers, like Bassett and Warnock, usually know how and who to give the TLC to, and who to give the strong arm treatment to.

Clough I'm told didn't take well to Diego and gave him a bit too much of the rough stuff, as he did with Doyle, Collins, Scoogs, McNulty and a few others. Some of the stuff I hear he did / said to senior pro's was just poor IMO.

Diego receives interest from Burnley, Leicester, Watford, Arsenal (preinjury) and a few Italian clubs and his agent (decent bloke) keeps his options open as they don't believe Clough rates him. Really don't see a problem with it all or any reason why people want to hammer the young lad before he's succeeded or failed.

If he ends up at Matlock or similar like many other young hopefuls then so be it, but why some can't just sit back and let nature take it's course without giving him grief (mainly unsubstantiated it seems) is all a bit bewildering.

UTB.

 

[Darren]

Seems to me Diego was the type of 'young star' that needed a bit of TLC and some encouragement. Good managers, like Bassett and Warnock, usually know how and who to give the TLC to, and who to give the strong arm treatment to.

Clough I'm told didn't take well to Diego and gave him a bit too much of the rough stuff, as he did with Doyle, Collins, Scoogs, McNulty and a few others. Some of the stuff I hear he did / said to senior pro's was just poor IMO.

Diego receives interest from Burnley, Leicester, Watford, Arsenal (preinjury) and a few Italian clubs and his agent (decent bloke) keeps his options open as they don't believe Clough rates him. Really don't see a problem with it all or any reason why people want to hammer the young lad before he's succeeded or failed.

If he ends up at Matlock or similar like many other young hopefuls then so be it, but why some can't just sit back and let nature take it's course without giving him grief (mainly unsubstantiated it seems) is all a bit bewildering.

UTB.

Do you seriously think that if any of the clubs you mentioned had been seriously interested in signing him, DDG would not have told Clough to stuff his contract and be on the next bus to Turf Moor, Vicarage Road or wherever? It actually looks like there was some extremely tenuous rumours with no basis in fact that led the chap to make a silly decision. If DDG was all that, we would surely have had higher rated clubs in a bidding war for him. Apparently there is not even any interest from the clubs he was on loan to in signing him permanently.

I've got nothing against the bloke personally. it's more the people building him up as far better than he actually is. Maybe that has turned his head. Who knows.

 

[BushBlade]

I think it's because some people perceive that he's snubbed us or that he thought he was too good for.
There were plenty who defended Clough's treatment of Diego by giving the impression that he was some kind of primadonna who thought he was the new Messi, demanded to play, but only in his best position.
No idea how true any of it is but once it's posted, it becomes fact in some people's minds.
It's modern football. Someone like Sterling realises his manager is a bit overrated, his club is massively overrated and wants to make the most of his career. So naturally he's a dickhead and his agent's a cunt.
Then you get idiots like Adrian Durham who one day castigates him, the next castigates his club, all while using the most inflammatory hyperbole available, thick fuckers lap it up and then go on message boards and perpetuate the bollocks. (I'm sure there's an RS equivalent but I don't listen to it).

It's all black and white these days, you're either a legend or you're shit. It's probably always been the same, that's why it's so easy to start wars.

 

[Dog Blade]

Do you seriously think that if any of the clubs you mentioned had been seriously interested in signing him, DDG would not have told Clough to stuff his contract and be on the next bus to Turf Moor, Vicarage Road or wherever? It actually looks like there was some extremely tenuous rumours with no basis in fact that led the chap to make a silly decision. If DDG was all that, we would surely have had higher rated clubs in a bidding war for him. Apparently there is not even any interest from the clubs he was on loan to in signing him permanently.

I've got nothing against the bloke personally. it's more the people building him up as far better than he actually is. Maybe that has turned his head. Who knows.

That's why I put interest. Sure if someone would have gone further then it could have been different. His 'failed' loan moves to York and Northampton won't have helped that interest not materialise I suppose, or a few other reasons too.

Hope he stays and proves he is good enough. If not then it'll be interesting to see if he actually isn't as good as people have built him up to be. All I do know is that Clough didn't handle the situation well IMO. Same as he didn't with many others.

 

[Pinchy]

has he? you mean like McNulty and Che?.. i can't see how you can become so obsessional about DeG.. how many games has he played for us.. three??

I'm actually trying to get the obsessional members of DADDDAS, who wont accept even the mildest criticism of the Young Maestro, even when it comes from Nigel Adkins, to see a bit of sense.

It's going to take longer than I thought....

 

[judge]

I'm actually trying to get the obsessional members of DADDDAS, who wont accept even the mildest criticism of the Young Maestro, even when it comes from Nigel Adkins, to see a bit of sense.

It's going to take longer than I thought....

Sounds like a paedophile ring

 

[wizadry]

As I've said previously mate, all the clues are there. Leave Clough aside and listen to NA's interview. You can't seriously believe that his reference to "attitude" and "behaviour" in the same breath as "Diego" was a coincidence? I think he, and you, are intelligent enough to know the history...

Adkins has sure got to know Diego quite quickly even though he's already said they aren't reporting back until the 29th of June even then it would take more than a day or a telephone call to really get to know someone.

 

[Barney]

Not sure what all the discussion is about with regards to Diego... It's very simple.

He was not given a chance under Clough, I'd predict he will be given that chance under Adkins.

Then, if he is the excellent talent that he is rumoured to be with regards to the interest shown by Juve, Watford etc.. then brilliant! Let's utilise that and get out of this division whilst saving some of our spendings.

If he isn't or doesn't seem up to it, then ok we gave him a chance and now he himself, the management and the fans all know that he is maybe not for us and we, as a club, will have more evidence for the argument to maybe let him move on with his career.

After all, how can you expect a player to rise up from the academy to become a star without giving him a chance in the first place?

I'm no manager but I'd certainly say though that what ever you do, and where ever he has been previously, don't rule the kid out whilst he's barely kicked a ball for the first team.

 

[BushBlade]

Not sure what all the discussion is about with regards to Diego... It's very simple.

He was not given a chance under Clough, I'd predict he will be given that chance under Adkins.

Then, if he is the excellent talent that he is rumoured to be with regards to the interest shown by Juve, Watford etc.. then brilliant! Let's utilise that and get out of this division whilst saving some of our spendings.

If he isn't or doesn't seem up to it, then ok we gave him a chance and now he himself, the management and the fans all know that he is maybe not for us and we, as a club, will have more evidence for the argument to maybe let him move on with his career.

After all, how can you expect a player to rise up from the academy to become a star without giving him a chance in the first place?

I'm no manager but I'd certainly say though that what ever you do, and where ever he has been previously, don't rule the kid out whilst he's barely kicked a ball for the first team.

No youth player is just 'given' a chance. It's not school sports day. They have to earn it. They have to train hard and perform well in the u-21s. Every one of our youth players that makes his debut does so because he's worked incredibly hard to get his chance.
Of course, they are also hostage to fortune. If the first team player in their position is playing well and staying fit opportunities may be limited. At times, particularly at small clubs with small squads, a player may be thrown in because there's no-one else. Then it's up to them to make the most of the opportunity.

 

[Barney]

No youth player is just 'given' a chance. It's not school sports day. They have to earn it. They have to train hard and perform well in the u-21s. Every one of our youth players that makes his debut does so because he's worked incredibly hard to get his chance.
Of course, they are also hostage to fortune. If the first team player in their position is playing well and staying fit opportunities may be limited. At times, particularly at small clubs with small squads, a player may be thrown in because there's no-one else. Then it's up to them to make the most of the opportunity.

Please direct me to anywhere in my post where I say that players don't have to earn their chance to get their debut. What a ludicrous suggestion that any blade would think that players don't have to earn their start, isn't that just a given? I'm sorry, I was just presuming when I posted that it was so obvious it didn't even deserve a mention and the fact you mention it now can only reflect worse upon yourself i'm afraid on the way you under-estimate fellow blades' intelligence.

 

[BushBlade]

Please direct me to anywhere in my post where I say that players don't have to earn their chance to get their debut. What a ludicrous suggestion that any blade would think that players don't have to earn their start, isn't that just a given? I'm sorry, I was just presuming when I posted that it was so obvious it didn't even deserve a mention and the fact you mention it now can only reflect worse upon yourself i'm afraid on the way you under-estimate fellow blades' intelligence.

I don't know if it's a given or not, I certainly get the impression from some of the posts on this thread it isn't. Not your post particularly and I think you're confusing intelligence with knowledge. There's quite a range of posters on this board and from the posts I've read, quite a variance of football knowledge.
It wasn't intended to be a dig at you, sorry if you took it that way but the point I was making is that perhaps Clough had good reasons for 'not giving Diego a chance'. And if he had, perhaps Adkins will take a similar view. My second paragraph mitigated this a bit by saying sometimes a player can't beak through because there are already good players in his position. I don't think that was the case with Diego though.
And just to be clear, I'd like to see him do well for us and I hope Adkins can get the best out of him.

 

[Guesty]

Not sure what all the discussion is about with regards to Diego... It's very simple.

He was not given a chance under Clough, I'd predict he will be given that chance under Adkins.

Then, if he is the excellent talent that he is rumoured to be with regards to the interest shown by Juve, Watford etc.. then brilliant! Let's utilise that and get out of this division whilst saving some of our spendings.

That must be the first recorded use of the phrase 'Juve, Watford etc.'

 

[Foxy]

That must be the first recorded use of the phrase 'Juve, Watford etc.'

Surprised there wasn't a Bournemouth in there

 

[Silent Blade]

Been told Diego is to do pre-season training at Bournemouth and if they sign him, he will be back to us on loan

 

[metalblade]

Been told Diego is to do pre-season training at Bournemouth and if they sign him, he will be back to us on loan

Why on Earth would he come back to us on loan and why would we want him if he can't hold down a first team place ? So all this wanting first team football shit is a load of cobblers he aint going to get a look in at Bournmouth when he can't prove himself at league one Sheffield United.

 

[Silent Blade]

Why on Earth would he come back to us on loan and why would we want him if he can't hold down a first team place ? So all this wanting first team football shit is a load of cobblers he aint going to get a look in at Bournmouth when he can't prove himself at league one Sheffield United.

I was puzzled about this too!

 

[Worksop II]

Why on Earth would he come back to us on loan and why would we want him if he can't hold down a first team place ? So all this wanting first team football shit is a load of cobblers he aint going to get a look in at Bournmouth when he can't prove himself at league one Sheffield United.

Maybe Eddie Howe will buy him for £10 million, and as a condition we have to play him at Centre Back.

Money in the Bank and a New Centre Back ................ rockin