Desso

[Sean Thornton]

Anyhow, now the forums Brian

It does help.

So basically you are saying nothing should be spent on any infrastructure improvements. ALL income must be ploughed back into wages transfer/ fees?

So in ten years time when BDTBL is the new 'Stadium of rust', you can start a thread about 'Why doesn't McCabe spend money on the ground?'

I am losing the will to live with this thread.

Perhaps have a word with Pommpey to see who claims the internet arguement cup for this one.

God knows how we will fund the stadium upgrade unless we've got some good Under 8's coming through whose sale in 2029 can be set against building works 8 or 9 years earlier. I'm sure McAlpines will wait for the cash.

 

[Tunstall Fred]

He is -10. -20 had he reinvested the incoming 10. Hence the saving of 10.

And he is still down £10,like you say,he must be that Shadow Labour Chancellor

 

[Barney]

And he is still down £10,like you say,he must be that Shadow Labour Chancellor

But the point is the saving. We were led to believe the Desso was an investment. Meaning we spend on player wages as normal, and then spend on the Desso. Which within this analogy would equate to being -20. He then got the 10 and didn't reinvest it, so is instead -10 and has hence saved 10.

 

[Tunstall Fred]

But the point is the saving. We were led to believe the Desso was an investment. Meaning we spend on player wages as normal, and then spend on the Desso. Which within this analogy would equate to being -20. He then got the 10 and didn't reinvest it, so is instead -10 and has hence saved 10.

Funny saving when you openly admit he is down £10,it is not the best of points in my opinion.

 

[Barney]

Funny saving when you openly admit he is down £10,it is not the best of points in my opinion.

He would have been down 20 had he reinvested the 10 he received so yes he has saved £10

 

[pommpey]

But the point is the saving. We were led to believe the Desso was an investment. Meaning we spend on player wages as normal, and then spend on the Desso. Which within this analogy would equate to being -20. He then got the 10 and didn't reinvest it, so is instead -10 and has hence saved 10.

Don't bother Barney. It's like the last ten years hasn't happened at all and McCabe has steered a steady, successful path through all of this. Fuck strengthening the team with real quality on the back of cup runs. Let's buy a pitch, pretend it's a winner, flog our only left winger of worth and remain in Div 1.

Happy to report to all that I feel this approach has changed. Eight years too late.

Kool aid is over here, chaps ...

pommpey

 

[Sean Thornton]

And the beat goes on......

 

[Tunstall Fred]

He would have been down 20 had he reinvested the 10 he received so yes he has saved £10

He is spending more than he is saving,still down £10

 

[Barney]

He is spending more than he is saving,still down £10

Yes, a 10 pound saving so still £10 away from being 'reinvestment' then.

 

[Tunstall Fred]

Yes, a 10 pound saving so still £10 away from being 'reinvestment' then.

£10 loss,this greengrocer of yours is not going to be in business long carrying on losing £10 on transactions is he,somebody has to make up the shortfall of £10,does he have a partner?

 

[Barney]

£10 loss,this greengrocer of yours is not going to be in business long carrying on losing £10 on transactions is he,somebody has to make up the shortfall of £10,does he have a partner?

It is news to you that most football clubs make a loss?

 

[Tunstall Fred]

It is news to you that most football clubs make a loss?

What has that got to do with your greengrocer losing £10

 

[Barney]

What has that got to do with your greengrocer losing £10

Because it is an analogy to represent the dealings of a football club? So not the biggest of surprises that the greengrocer is running at a loss.

 

[Northyorksblade]

Oh dear.


It doesn't matter whether it went on wages or the Desso, the net result is still the same.

If a man spends £10 on apples (desso) and £10 on pears (players wages), then sells his bananas (Murphy) for £10, it doesn't matter whether he says the £10 he got from his bananas covered his apples or his pears, the fact is he's saved an extra £10; which he wouldn't have done had he reinvested it on more oranges (new players).

Hope that helps.

No, you lost me at apples.

 

[HeCanDoMagic]

Pitch was bad, and Rochdale managed the pitch better than us. It's not an excuse but it is a factor.

Exactly.

Remember the 1-0 win v Arsenal, Nade goal, the state of the pitch was terrible - Warnock had the players training on it all week and ordered the ground staff not to touch it.

We probably wouldn't have won had it been a bowling green.

 

[Tunstall Fred]

Because it is an analogy to represent the dealings of a football club?

Football Club/Greengrocer,both have a shortfall of £10,better financial governance is called for i would say

 

[Pierre's PC]

So where are we on the Desso issue, has anything been decided?

I heard the Desso cost us signing Ched because of the money wasted on it.

When was the last time Desso scored a goal eh?

 

[metalblade]

Wasting your time Barney this is all you get ...........

 

[Tunstall Fred]

So where are we on the Desso issue, has anything been decided?

I heard the Desso cost us signing Ched because of the money wasted on it.

When was the last time Desso scored a goal eh?

There is a Greengrocer who is rubbish at making money,he thinks losing £10 is a saving of £10,therefore a good thing,thats what i have learned this fine morning

 

[Pierre's PC]

There is a Greengrocer who is rubbish at making money,he thinks losing £10 is a saving of £10,therefore a good thing,thats what i have learned this fine morning

But why does a greengrocer need a Desso pitch?

 

[Tunstall Fred]

But why does a greengrocer need a Desso pitch?

To better display his produce,that would be my best guess,in turn attract more paying customers

 

[Pierre's PC]

To better display his produce,that would be my best guess,in turn attract more paying customers

Did he sell his top banana to pay for it?

 

[Tunstall Fred]

Did he sell his top banana to pay for it?

It seems he sold his top banana under priced

 

[finlaytheblade]

When Clough first came in he and his assistant complained of the poor pitch,,,,The owners backed him by ordering a new desso Pitch, Clough got great backing by the board he was given a budget to get us out of this league.He failed and the rest is history.
The pitch didn't interfere with the budget,Clough wasted a he'll of a good budget.
Can't we find something sensible to debate!!!

 

[Pinchy]

Why does pommpey always seem so angry?

He was cast adrift on a desert island by Captain Barbosa. It drove him mad but he was impressed with the bumpy surface.

When I noticed this thread, I thought how the hell does a comment about the Desso pitch generate 11 pages of replies at this stage of a (so far) excellent season?

Now I know, I think...well maybe.

By the way that reminds me, anybody seen owd Len?

Whoever coined the phrase "Only in S2" (Was it? Really? Oh.) must have had this very thread in mind. Why on Earth would a football club want a good pitch to play on? Some idiots beyond the Shoreham wastelands might think the answer self-evident but we know better...don't we?

Anyway, we really must move the debate on. Whatever possessed us to invest in high intensity floodlighting? I know from my own playing days that standard street lighting is perfectly adequate. When we were playing Stovin Road away they only had torchlight and it didn't affect the outcome at all.

Just watch. Come the Summer, we shall have to sell Reed or Done or Clarke or Anyfucker-Whatsoever to pay the electricity bill, at which point we can pretend he is our best player.

 

[Bert]

Ha ha ha ha. Ho ho ho.

Funny as fuck, McCabe.

Season Ticket holders, pay attention. This is how our board shit in your chip bag. First Adams, now Brayford.

Next season, when the shiny coin appears, have a think.

pommpey

https://www.s24su.com/forum/index.php?threads/brayford-exit-stage-right.48634/page-6#post-1085623

 

[Tunstall Fred]

Ha ha ha ha. Ho ho ho.

Funny as fuck, McCabe.

Season Ticket holders, pay attention. This is how our board shit in your chip bag. First Adams, now Brayford.

Next season, when the shiny coin appears, have a think.

pommpey

https://www.s24su.com/forum/index.php?threads/brayford-exit-stage-right.48634/page-6#post-1085623

Post 115,Post 117,

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Yes they are. Apart from that, thanks for your reasoned argument 1dw. I take your points, don't necessarily agree with all of them but its a sound construct.

But one thing we have parity on is TopCat. If United go to the wall and McCabe runs off with all the money and BDTBL burns to the ground in a mysterious fire, the one certainty is that Geeeeeetarman is a bit of a throbber. I look forward to chucking out time tonight when his mum is in bed and he gets the chance to log on and pretend he is has Sean or Bert's dextterity or summat.

pommpey

Who do you believe is saying that a Desso pitch can turn a poor team into a good one? I genuinely don’t believe anyone is saying that at all.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

I don't understand why some posters are so keen to continually bring this up and bait pommpey?

It seems to me to be a perfectly valid argument to suggest spending that much on a pitch while in the 3rd division wasn't the best use of funds. You don't have to agree with it but it's not that hard to see the undeniable logic.

Selling the family silver every transfer window has also proved disastrous. The board have finally turned away from that policy. I would have assumed that was enough to please most Blades but it seems that for some, they need the added sweetener of repeatedly kicking another poster in the bollocks because he was skeptical about whether McCabe would finally hold his nerve.

No one gets it right every time; except maybe Wilder!

I can accept the argument that spending that much money on the pitch might not have been the best use of funds whilst the team has been so poor. But it’s subjective and posters are entitled to disagree with the counter-argument being that Clough still had a very healthy budget to compete for promotion but just didn’t get value for money in the transfer market.


I disagree that the board have learned their lesson regarding selling the family silver. We’ve sold more of it this season than ever (well, for a while) but 2 things are different this season:-


1. All of our most saleable assets were young prospects who were not yet integral to the first team so the damage of selling them hasn’t been as visible.


2. We have a manager who has actually used the funds well and on the whole, got value for money in the transfer market.


A test of whether they have learned their lesson might come in the summer if bids start coming in for Fleck (assuming normal service is resumed by him after Saturday’s blip).

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Isn't the below quote also true though?

'However the Football League use a is broader definition of Turnover. Crucially, the FL Turnover figure includes donations from the owners to the club and injections of equity.'

Source: http://www.financialfairplay.co.uk/scmp.php

So for arguments sake, if our board had £1million to 'invest' wouldn't they be better adding equity to the club's balance sheet and then spending it on a Simon Moore or Jack O'Connell for example?

But they would have only been able to spend 65% (I think) of any equity injection on football staff. It may well be that the owners pumped £3million into the coffers with around £2million going on players and the remaining £1million being spent on the pitch as that couldn’t be spent on players.


I admit I’m speculating but given the losses we’ve been making, it appears the owners have been putting a few million in every season. I’m also assuming that we can spend money on the pitch without it falling under the 65% “football expenditure”. I actually don’t know if it falls within that bracket or not.