Debuts

[Pollingtonblade]

how many will be making theirs at the start of the season ?

Does anyone know the record for most debuts we've given? 88-89 must be highest?

 

[wizadry]

There will probably be a minimum of five debutants', that's my guess anyway.

 

[Barney]

A lot.

 

[Finn Keane o' Balmaqueen]

With the remnants left available....
Would it be possible to field a first team XI without any new debuts?

 

[Pollingtonblade]

Debuts 88/89 v Reading

Benstead
Roberts
Joseph
Deane
Bryson

Off memory ....

 

[Ricky]

Well I could see the following current players starting...

Long
Brayford
Basham
Sharp
Adams
Done

So at least 5.

 

[Finn Keane o' Balmaqueen]

Brayford

Think Clough will come in with a bid?

 

[Alfreton14Blade]

Proper clean slate time.

For the club this time, not for overindulged wasters. Exciting times ahead.

 

[Ricky]

Think Clough will come in with a bid?

I think there's a good chance we'll move him on. I hope we do.

I also think there's a good chance Wider won't fancy Adams. There's also a chance Long will leave.

So it could easily be at least 7 debuts.

 

[Gin&Juice]

1997, if we're counting Deane re-signing was 5.

 

[Finn Keane o' Balmaqueen]

I think there's a good chance we'll move him on. I hope we do.

Clear out all the player signings/connections with Clough.

The sooner I can forget about that time in our history, the better.

 

[Jonboy60]

Think Clough will come in with a bid?

Stipulations for clough and burton trying to buy any of his favourites of us. For every one of the ones we've kept for next seasons squad, he's got to take at least one of the wasters as well.
Buy one get one free.

 

[wizadry]

I think there's a good chance we'll move him on. I hope we do.

I also think there's a good chance Wider won't fancy Adams. There's also a chance Long will leave.

So it could easily be at least 7 debuts.

You hope we move Brayford on? He will get his form back, hopefully playing with better, fitter and more mobile players around him. We must keep our better players and build from there.

I admit we overpaid at the time for Brayford but he's here now and we must make full use of him.

 

[Ricky]

You hope we move Brayford on? He will get his form back, hopefully playing with better, fitter and more mobile players around him. We must keep our better players and build from there.

I admit we overpaid at the time for Brayford but he's here now and we must make full use of him.

He had more than enough time last season to show signs of regaining his form, but he didn't show a thing. And now he's had another bad injury. There's no reason to expect him to come good again. If we could free up his wages that could bring in two key players.

 

[wizadry]

He had more than enough time last season to show signs of regaining his form, but he didn't show a thing. And now he's had another bad injury. There's no reason to expect him to come good again. If we could free up his wages that could bring in two key players.

If your last sentence was to come to fruition then i wouldn't mind it as much.

As for his form, it did go off a bit but everybody would struggle playing with some of the lazy cunts he played with last season, he had to play the right flank all on his own at times, Coutts had a couple of good games linking up with Brayford but then he reverted to the lazy twat that i saw in the last few months.

 

[Woodwardfan]

Football is a team game and like all sports a confidence game as well as skills based.

The same players in a different environment can change from also-rans to world beaters.

Maybe 50% of those on the transfer list could do well in the right environment. Maybe more than a couple of those released could also.

With the right leadership and a run of good results players start to express themselves.

Wilder has had individual decisions to make about each player to include their ability, character, fitness record, age and playing positions.

A couple may well have been unlucky to find that the new manager wishes to make a bold statement of intent with wholesale changes which certainly change the mind set of everybody concerned with the club, most importantly the players who are still here.

There is still time for a couple of those transfer-listed players to earn the right to be taken off the transfer list if they want to stay; some will get better offers, some may not get another job.

Of the retained more senior players not transfer-listed, a couple have a lot to prove and have a 50/50 chance at best and Scougall is one of those. A couple of them may be sold yet so the remaining nucleus of the squad can get even smaller. The younger hopefuls, Reed, Whiteman, Lewin all have their personal challenges to establish themselves in the first team too.

Good luck Chris Wilder, I hope the Board and the fans give you loads of support and encouragement and patience.

We could start the first game next season with as many as 6 brand new players/ young lads and almost a totally new bench.

I agree with every word of that

 

[Harry's Game]

He had more than enough time last season to show signs of regaining his form, but he didn't show a thing. And now he's had another bad injury. There's no reason to expect him to come good again. If we could free up his wages that could bring in two key players.

It was ridiculous of Clough to spend going on £2m on a full back that January when we were crying out for both a Centre back and Centre forward.

Not only has it hamstrung us in the transfer windows since, Brayford has not produced anything to justify the fee or wages since coming here full time.

 

[Alfreton14Blade]

He had more than enough time last season to show signs of regaining his form, but he didn't show a thing. And now he's had another bad injury. There's no reason to expect him to come good again. If we could free up his wages that could bring in two key players.

Realistically though, the board aren't going to take the big hit on Brayford they'd in all likelihood have to, are they?

What would we get for him? - £250k, say? And the type of club likely to take him on now, after an injury-plagued year & less than stellar form, would mean a pay-off for him or subsidising his wages.

Given that Arsewipe Hammond (& 2 or 3 others on that transfer list) will need paying off, the board just wouldn't swallow it in Brayford's case too.

 

[Woodwardfan]

Realistically though, the board aren't going to take the big hit on Brayford they'd in all likelihood have to, are they?

What would we get for him? - £250k, say? And the type of club likely to take him on now, after an injury-plagued year & less than stellar form, would mean a pay-off for him or subsidising his wages.

Given that Arsewipe Hammond (& 2 or 3 others on that transfer list) will need paying off, the board just wouldn't swallow it in Brayford's case too.

At least Brayford is a player who will be able to step up a division in due course, whenever that might be. We need a core of those when the time comes.

Defensively he is not a great full back but given good cover by midfield and by good central defenders he can be a force as an overlapping full back or as a wing back.

 

[Woodwardfan]

It was ridiculous of Clough to spend going on £2m on a full back that January when we were crying out for both a Centre back and Centre forward.

Not only has it hamstrung us in the transfer windows since, Brayford has not produced anything to justify the fee or wages since coming here full time.

Brayford can be good value in a positive team playing with confidence, he can rampage down the right flank and be a talisman, we have seen it.

When the chips are down he's not a real gritty battler though and not the man to turn the tide in a game.

 

[alcoblade]

You hope we move Brayford on? He will get his form back, hopefully playing with better, fitter and more mobile players around him. We must keep our better players and build from there.

I admit we overpaid at the time for Brayford but he's here now and we must make full use of him.

Don't forget we continue to overpay for him in his weekly wage. I'm with Ricky and I'd bet the reason he's not on the list is that the club know there's not a cat in hell's chance of finding anyone foolish enough to match our contract.

UTB

 

[Harry's Game]

Brayford can be good value in a positive team playing with confidence, he can rampage down the right flank and be a talisman, we have seen it.

When the chips are down he's not a real gritty battler though and not the man to turn the tide in a game.

Well we saw it for about two months in that initial loan spell. Also it was in League one.

Most Cardiff fans didn't rate him when he was playing in the Campionship so I am not certain it's a given that he would be an assett if we were in The Championship.

In any case there is no sign of us being at that level at the moment anyway.

 

[bladesmanluke]

I'm gonna guess there were more in the 1889 - 1890 season

 

[Woodwardfan]

Don't forget we continue to overpay for him in his weekly wage. I'm with Ricky and I'd bet the reason he's not on the list is that the club know there's not a cat in hell's chance of finding anyone foolish enough to match our contract.

UTB

We may well hope to move him away but transfer listing him weakens the negotiating hand.

 

[wizadry]

Don't forget we continue to overpay for him in his weekly wage. I'm with Ricky and I'd bet the reason he's not on the list is that the club know there's not a cat in hell's chance of finding anyone foolish enough to match our contract.

UTB

I'm not doubting he'll be getting more than a standard league one wage and if you reed my post I do go onto say that he's here now so lets make good use of him because like you say, who's going to make an offer as good as ours. Again, we can't blame Brayford, it's the people running the show who are to blame.

 

[JohnDenver]

And he's been sharing a pitch with footballing detritus for a year.