Danny Wilson.....Promotion or bust?

[Kev Gee]

Is it essential that Wilson gets us up this year?
Will he be sacked if he fails?
Opinions?

 

[Hartley Hare]

Yes.
No.
In DW we trust.

 

[Fiery Blade]

Unfortunately I don't share HH's optimism or trust:
Will Danny Wilson get us up this year - Not Sure !
Will he get the sack if he fails - Probably No but he should walk anyway!
My Opinion - Not impressed with Danny Wilson especially now he is looking to blame fans for his own and the teams' failings!

 

[dingledog]

100 games as manager tomorrow, I think overall he has done an excellent job. Time will tell.

 

[bartman]

My Opinion - Not impressed with Danny Wilson especially now he is looking to blame fans for his own and the teams' failings!

He didn't do this in the interview the other night thou did he . I thought his comments were bang on. The comments from Doyle aired today on RS are far more critical than DW's were

 

[Torrix1889]

I think anything less than promotion will be seen as failure this season, look at the teams that could be coming down, (Wolves, Bristol City, Dingles, Ipswich, Posh, Pigs) and with the possible exception of Posh all of the others would make it a far more difficult league next year. It is therefore ESSENTIAL in my opinion we go up this year, if not I fear we could be stuck in this shit-hole for a long time.

If we don't go up however I don't think he will be sacked as there is simply not much better out there that is available...better the devil you know and all that...!

Do i think DW has done a good job? No, not particularly, he has done a very average job. He has had probably the best squad in the division for the last 2 seasons and funds made available for transfers. His tactics and blind faith in Doyle and one or two others are at best questionable. I'm sure there would be half a dozen good lower league managers who would have got us up last year, let alone this.

 

[Patrick Suffaux]

Is it essential that Wilson gets us up this year?
Will he be sacked if he fails?
Opinions?

It is essential to the club yes.

If you had asked me the second question at the start of the season I would have said yes. My answer now is - no I don't think he will be sacked if we don't go up. I do think it will put him under a lot of pressure though. He would need to have us absolutely flying the following season to keep his job.

I'm a DW fan, I like the way he conducts himself and he was very unlucky not to get us up last year but..........for me two attempts with the players he's had should be enough to get this club out of L1. He has to do it this season or I would find it hard to justify his position. I sincerely hope he does, I would like him to remain our manager for some time and be successful.

 

[blade too long]

I think if we look at threads around the start of last season , certain fans thought wed do well to stay in division one with the decimated squad Wilson took over, the general concensus was mid to lower table and 3 to 5 years to come close
But for Cheds hormone rush while pissed Wilson would most definitely have took us up last season and despite that severe disappointment has never let us drop out of automatic promotion contention

I feel expectations are like the wind , they change direction but one constant should remain , support, if we had finished 16th and were slightly improved now and say 10th would we be happier , or are some of us expecting too much too soon , we have a great chance to progress , nothing more , lets not scupper it by being overly negative

when we came down the same people who said we would struggle because of the squad we had , now say we should be pissing it, with a squad thats had to be curtailed , how does that work

 

[Patrick Suffaux]

If you set a high standard, then you have to maintain it. Same in any job.

 

[blade too long]

but dont give any kudos for setting that standard , good one
doesnt explain the logic of the mindset of my last question

 

[Patrick Suffaux]

but dont give any kudos for setting that standard , good one
doesnt explain the logic of the mindset of my last question

It explains it perfectly. If you set a high standard, expectations will go up with it.

 

[blade too long]

but theres the dichotomy , you can have him succeeding and failing at the same time

 

[dublin 10 blade]

Were going up anyway .
Hope not , but for all you danny haters uncle colin will be out of work soon { don't think he's renewing his contract } and therefore you can have that mardy arse back . Best set of players , fans , yawn yawn yawn , I've worked with blah blah blah , when the dirty's were relegated , took em 3 goes to get up , I know they tried to pull a fast one by going into admin before going down , the '' vile '' 2 goes , also 6 games ago a lot on here were saying we have to COPY THEM by sacking our manager. As if copying the '' vile '' is the way to go you can follow / copy them if yar want , I do not like the stlye we sometimes play at the moment but when we get promoted then I'll start worrying about what we have to do then , and it will be goodluck and goodbye to a lot of our over 30 brigade in the higher league . Until then UTB .

 

[Bergen Blade]

but theres the dichotomy , you can have him succeeding and failing at the same time

When you're by far the biggest and best supported club in the league and have the most resources available, the aim and expectation is promotion. It was the case last season, and it's the same this.

 

[JohnDenver]

Is it essential that Wilson gets us up this year?
Will he be sacked if he fails?
Opinions?

1, When you're top in Feb, you have to say "yes".

2, If we don't go up I'd prefer he walked rather than put up with the shite he'd get off some people. He's been swimming against the tide as manager, but in the event of failure to get promoted I think McCabe will keep him until the poison reaches critical mass next season. It's a handy shield for the chairman to have, since in reality he'd be mostly responsible.

3, See above. The Blades and Wilson are well overdue some good fortune - it could go either way.

 

[blade too long]

When you're by far the biggest and best supported club in the league and have the most resources available,

ah , theres another thing , is that projecting the right starting point
yes we traditionally get good gates, but do we get points for that

Arsenal get 60000 , shouldnt they be second behind man utd then
why are aston villa in relegation problems their gates are top 10

biggest and best
coventry won an fa cup in my lifetime we aint so have portsmouth
its all arguable about whos best

 

[Houso]

When you're by far the biggest and best supported club in the league and have the most resources available, the aim and expectation is promotion. It was the case last season, and it's the same this.

It's a double-edged sword though Bergs.

Last season he had the most resources (I don't agree that it's the same this fwiw) and regardless of Ched, he should have taken us up. But he didn't, and rightly got a second bite of the cherry.

BUT, since we had the most resources last season, we also had a number of the best players in the league. This resulted in attention for players like Quinny and demands for better contracts from players like Willo. When we couldn't hang on to either player, it ripped the heart out of the midfield and it's only really now that we're getting to grips with things again. It's no surprise that as these players have gone, K-Mac's form has dipped and ditto that of Doyle.

Wilson is then given resources and brings in Blackman... who is also (and I maintain rightly) sold. It has another knock on effect on the team, but somehow we turn it into a positive and start to pick up form. We then lose our arguably most in form player and guess what, have another dip which results in a draw against a poor side at home.

- had we kept Ched... and/or had a fit Hoskins - we'd have gone up.
- had we kept Quinn and Willo... and/or had the funds to replace them - we'd have gone up.

TLDR - Wilson is doing a fantastic job under very difficult circumstances... and these difficult circumstances are in part due to having a fantastic side last season.

Will we go up this season? Sod knows.
Will Wilson deserve to stay in the job if we don't? Yes.
Will he stay in the job if we don't? I doubt it.

And should we not go up, and appoint someone else, get ready to wave bye to Harry, bye to K-Mac, bye to Long and maybe bye to one or two others. And then get ready for everyone to expect promotion at first opportunity due to being the best supported club in the league.

 

[chipsncake]

Doesn't matter whether we go up or not this year, as long as Wilson is at the helm we are going nowhere. With the resources he has had at his disposal we should be home and hosed but you only have to look at our last performance to see how we are struggling to make the required impact in a division that is so poor it beggars belief. Should we scrape promotion and hang on to Wilson then we'll be back where we are now at the first attempt. Deep down though I think we all know it goes much deeper than the manager's situation, for as long as McCabe is in charge we are in for a constant struggle.

 

[Bergen Blade]

ah , theres another thing , is that projecting the right starting point
yes we traditionally get good gates, but do we get points for that

Arsenal get 60000 , shouldnt they be second behind man utd then
why are aston villa in relegation problems their gates are top 10

biggest and best
coventry won an fa cup in my lifetime we aint so have portsmouth
its all arguable about whos best

A club's size and gates help being able to spend more on the playing staff. Of course it plays a part in raising expectations. Rich chairmen can obviously affect this, but I don't think anyone in League One is spending more on the playing staff than us.

Our average attendance is 18,225. Coventry's is 10,875 and Portsmouth's is 11,931, we are by far the best supported club. Coventry winning the cup in 1987 doesn't mean that Sheffield United fans should not expect promotion.

 

[Houso]

Doesn't matter whether we go up or not this year, as long as Wilson is at the helm we are going nowhere.

 

[blade too long]

Our average attendance is 18,225. Coventry's is 10,875 and Portsmouth's is 11,931, we are by far the best supported club. Coventry winning the cup in 1987 doesn't mean that Sheffield United fans should not expect promotion.

Theres no denying we are very well supported, , but the income from gates is needed just to fund the resources we have, large squad academy, the size of crowd doesnt mean success is guarenteed weve had good crowds all my 50 years going but weve only won several promotions 43 years of nowt, and teams like wigan get tiny gates but stay in the prem, money and some nutter prepared to throw it away on football is the only true aid to success
McCabe said several years ago enough is enough, , and hed let someone else come in and blow their money , but no takers , puts Mccabe in the firing line for all complaints, when all he really wants is someone else to take the mantle. All we need is a billionaire we can turn back into a millionaire , sorted

 

[sitwell]

Doesn't matter whether we go up or not this year, as long as Wilson is at the helm we are going nowhere. With the resources he has had at his disposal we should be home and hosed but you only have to look at our last performance to see how we are struggling to make the required impact in a division that is so poor it beggars belief. Should we scrape promotion and hang on to Wilson then we'll be back where we are now at the first attempt. Deep down though I think we all know it goes much deeper than the manager's situation, for as long as McCabe is in charge we are in for a constant struggle.

Never mind were all going to die soon, hurrah .

 

[Kempy]

Never mind were all going to die soon, hurrah .

Fuck me... talk about morbid Sitters! not like we're thrid in the league or anything lads? Give it a month or so with games against Tranny, Swindon to come etc and then revisit this with more clarity.

 

[alcoblade]

Fair play to the bloke if we get promotion - on one hand a club with our resource should do, on the other, we are still a club in transition (sadly, that means getting used to being shite) and that makes managing us harder than it might be in future.

The difficult part for me is as the years go by I realise we'll always make up the 99% of also rans in football - and the entertainment on offer becomes more important. Many people have mistaken entertaining football for anything that isn't direct - and as this season has proved, the "beautiful game" can be incredibly boring.

I'm undecided if this is an ongoing feature of Wilson's football (with relatively huge resource last season it was at least entertaining) or just a short term issue whilst we get it right - but what I'm sure of is that I couldn't put up with season after season of what's currently on offer.

I didn't think it possible to be in a promotion race and be completely bored with it - but this season is proving otherwise.

UTB

 

[Fiery Blade]

Even without McCabes backing with the gates we attract and the supposed 'big club' label that all players quote when they sign - Robson and Murphy the latest to quote that 'Sheffield United should be at least in the Championship' we should have the wherewithal to get out of this division.
The fact that McCabe can't off load the club is that he has stripped it of it's assetts and wants to recover all the money he has put in!
If Abromovitch, Arab Shieks and Daniel Levi took that attitude Chelsea, Man City and Spurs would be in the same boat as United!
He only wants someone to take the mantle if he can walk away with all his money repaid
Ask any football chairman - owning a club is a very expensive passtime yet we get someone who thought he could make a packet by pretending he was 'A Blade'
Dave Whelan is in it for the long haul - put his money where his mouth is and kept Wigan in the Premier for years and years on meagre gates that McCabe would sneer at!

 

[Fiery Blade]

Oh Danny Wilson,
Almost forgot an ordinary manager of an ordinary team - no more no less!
Third division is his standard - not done anything yet to prove otherwise
If we do go up this year it will be mainly due to the poor quality of the division - look at our competition
Tranmere, Donny Rovers, Brentford, Bournemouth, Yeovil - hardly stand out teams awash with cash pulling in crowds in excess of 16,000 in fact most of them would dream to pull in crowds of 8,000 (if they could get them into their grounds)
Sh!t teams, sh!t grounds, sh!t football and we are supposed to get excited!!

 

[LardSardine]

Looking at it pragmatically, you could argue DW is doing a good job. Unlucky to get 90 points last year and not go up, and also be in the mix by this point in the second season. Especially after the state we were in during and immediately following the relegation season. Expectations at that point were low, and we probably exceeded those expectations last year. We've lost key players and have a lower budget so this season normally, I'd say, yes, he's doing well and if we were to only just miss out again, he should keep his job. However...
If we were to look at clubs of similar stature, or arguably less, the picture changes somewhat.
Take Leeds, Norwich, Southampton, Forest, Wednesday, Charlton and Leicester who have all been in this division recently. It took Leeds and Forest three years, but the others did it in one or two, and you can't say many of those clubs weren't in as bad a state as us, in fact many of them were in a worse state with administration and so on. So with that in mind, I would say failure to get promotion this year would be a big failure, and therefore DW should really be replaced. The problem then is, with who? And we all know McCabe's recruitment track record with that particular role.....

Anyway, let's hope we're not having this discussion at the end of the season ;-) UTB!

 

[chipsncake]

Oh Danny Wilson,
Almost forgot an ordinary manager of an ordinary team - no more no less!
Third division is his standard - not done anything yet to prove otherwise
If we do go up this year it will be mainly due to the poor quality of the division - look at our competition
Tranmere, Donny Rovers, Brentford, Bournemouth, Yeovil - hardly stand out teams awash with cash pulling in crowds in excess of 16,000 in fact most of them would dream to pull in crowds of 8,000 (if they could get them into their grounds)
Sh!t teams, sh!t grounds, sh!t football and we are supposed to get excited!!

But how can you not get excited when we've players like Flynn and Doyle in the side and have just held the mighty Orient at home and kept a clean sheet (just), next you'll be wanting us to attack teams and try and dominate games, don't you realise it's not as easy as that when up against opposition who try really hard.

 

[Bergen Blade]

Theres no denying we are very well supported, , but the income from gates is needed just to fund the resources we have, large squad academy, the size of crowd doesnt mean success is guarenteed

Who's talking about guaranteed success? We're talking about expectations. Most things at this football club is in place for it to play at a higher level than the current.

 

[blade too long]

expectation is only higher as theres more expecting it

yes we are well endowed with facilities, but it s still all about what happens on the grass, and thats the same everywhere