Danny Wilson.....Promotion or bust?

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blade too long said:
expectation is only higher as theres more expecting it

yes we are well endowed with facilities, but it s still all about what happens on the grass, and thats the same everywhere
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Do you think that a Sheffield United fan should expect a higher league position than an Accrington Stanley fan?

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they arent even in our diivision , but we,d expect it , but you ask the stanley fan and hed say it was possible
if you said yeovil or crewe , then why wouldnt they expect to finish higher than us , I doubt that Yeovil before they came and won said , we wont have a chance there , they have more fans and a far better ground

if we go up and villa come down , will we go there and be defeatist as they get bigger crowds in a better ground , hope not
Its very insular to only see our side , weve got good gates good ground great fans , but I re iterate its what goes on on the grass which levels it all out
 
Houso said:
It's a double-edged sword though Bergs.

Last season he had the most resources (I don't agree that it's the same this fwiw) and regardless of Ched, he should have taken us up. But he didn't, and rightly got a second bite of the cherry.

BUT, since we had the most resources last season, we also had a number of the best players in the league. This resulted in attention for players like Quinny and demands for better contracts from players like Willo. When we couldn't hang on to either player, it ripped the heart out of the midfield and it's only really now that we're getting to grips with things again. It's no surprise that as these players have gone, K-Mac's form has dipped and ditto that of Doyle.

Wilson is then given resources and brings in Blackman... who is also (and I maintain rightly) sold. It has another knock on effect on the team, but somehow we turn it into a positive and start to pick up form. We then lose our arguably most in form player and guess what, have another dip which results in a draw against a poor side at home.

- had we kept Ched... and/or had a fit Hoskins - we'd have gone up.
- had we kept Quinn and Willo... and/or had the funds to replace them - we'd have gone up.

TLDR - Wilson is doing a fantastic job under very difficult circumstances... and these difficult circumstances are in part due to having a fantastic side last season.

Will we go up this season? Sod knows.
Will Wilson deserve to stay in the job if we don't? Yes.
Will he stay in the job if we don't? I doubt it.

And should we not go up, and appoint someone else, get ready to wave bye to Harry, bye to K-Mac, bye to Long and maybe bye to one or two others. And then get ready for everyone to expect promotion at first opportunity due to being the best supported club in the league.
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I agree it's not a walk in the park, we have to get a lot of things right to go up. But no clubs have a better platform on which to build a good side.

The current management has signed or signed on every member of the first team squad and we're probably spending more on the playing staff than any other club. Now, if the club had stated that after relegation we had to actively try to get rid of most of the high earners for financial reasons and that we'd then start to build a young, new side I think people would have been more patient when it comes to expectations. But we have gone for it big time with the only goal being promotion at the earliest opportunity.

And that's what fans will expect.

I don't think failing to meet expectations/hopes should automatically mean the manager should lose his job though. Warnock was rightly (in my opinion) kept on after the disappointing 2004/05 season, while I think Blackwell should have been let go after failing to reach the play offs in 2009/10.
 
blade too long said:
they arent even in our diivision , but we,d expect it , but you ask the stanley fan and hed say it was possible
if you said yeovil or crewe , then why wouldnt they expect to finish higher than us , I doubt that Yeovil before they came and won said , we wont have a chance there , they have more fans and a far better ground

if we go up and villa come down , will we go there and be defeatist as they get bigger crowds in a better ground , hope not
Its very insular to only see our side , weve got good gates good ground great fans , but I re iterate its what goes on on the grass which levels it all out
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I think you are over complicating a simple fact - Sheffield United fans and the wider football world can and should expect us to finish above most if not all teams in this division - hence expectancy is rightly higher on Wilson matched by the resources at his disposal.

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Its a good question Kev Gee My personal opinion is that he's doing a decent job and i'm tempted to say leave it be. No excuses for Wilson, but there has been a few changes this season in playing staff which he's had to get used to. I think we've under performed at times, but I have faith that Wilson is a good manager for this level and is as good as anyone around.

I suppose we have to look at the end of the season and make a review of the situation.

Don't get me wrong, I expect promotion, we're kidding ourselves if we believe that this side isn't capable of getting up so it would be a failure.
 
I expect us to go up, but thats based on football reasons , our first eleven is as good/ better as any other in this division, if we get 28000 for the last home game , I expect the football to do the work , not the extra 10 k, it went against us last season as Stevenage got 2 deflected goals , we cant be that unlucky , can we
 
Bergen Blade said:
Now, if the club had stated that after relegation we had to actively try to get rid of most of the high earners for financial reasons and that we'd then start to build a young, new side I think people would have been more patient when it comes to expectations. But we have gone for it big time with the only goal being promotion at the earliest opportunity.
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A couple of points.

Firstly, we couldn't do that after relegation because we had unsaleable players under contract. This is the first season we've properly responded to financial reality.

Secondly we should have done exactly what you suggested after failing at Wembley in '09. That was when the financial picture changed radically after parachute payments ended, yet Birch/Blackwell/McCabe failed to take the ugly decisions. Thusly we're now thoroughly mired.
 
Congratulations on 100 games Danny. You were left with a garbage team by the successive efforts of Semi-Pro and Quickfix. The job was always going to be long term and you are building in the right direction. Forget the knee-jerk nonsense from some 'fans'. You are doing just fine. The sensible Blades know it'll take time and patience.

Great away win today. Well Done the Blades. Wish we hadn't signed those past-it journeymen Kits and Robbo, though!

Walking in a Wilson Wonderland.
 
Pinchy said:
Congratulations on 100 games Danny. You were left with a garbage team by the successive efforts of Semi-Pro and Quickfix. The job was always going to be long term and you are building in the right direction. Forget the knee-jerk nonsense from some 'fans'. You are doing just fine. The sensible Blades know it'll take time and patience.

Great away win today. Well Done the Blades. Wish we hadn't signed those past-it journeymen Kits and Robbo, though!

Walking in a Wilson Wonderland.
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Ditto that Pinchy. Keep it goin Danny boy.

 
Bergen Blade said:
When you're by far the biggest and best supported club in the league and have the most resources available, the aim and expectation is promotion. It was the case last season, and it's the same this.
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Agree with the above.

Don't get excited that we've beaten Bournmouth and Oldham away, they are both 3rd division crap.

I fear for us next season if we do get up, we don't have a single 2nd division player on the books.
 
GRUMPY BLADE said:
Agree with the above.

Don't get excited that we've beaten Bournmouth and Oldham away, they are both 3rd division crap.

I fear for us next season if we do get up, we don't have a single 2nd division player on the books.
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We have a good number who could cope, given the right players around them. That said, I agree we'd need lots of strengthening to survive.


Let's get up first, eh?:)

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Promotion is a must this season, Wilson maybe should walk if we don't however i fear for the whole club if we dont. As for how he has done, well ched or no ched we should have seen it through last season so 7/10 for that, if we going up this season then he'd get a 9/10 job well done, however if we dont this year with the shocking quality of the league then 4/10. Fingers crossed
 



bit of a bump on this one.

Should he be sacked?
 
So a month ago you were asking if he should go if we didn't get promotion.
Now, that one month on, we are in roughly the same position as we were then (i.e. it's still in OUR hands) yet the question has changed to should he be sacked NOW! Why the change?

FWIW I think he'll get the season and walk away if he fails to get us promoted.
 
If we don't go up then he should walk - if only so I can search for a new avar
 
Foxy said:
Danny Wilson

Played 100
Won 54
Drawn 28
Lost 18

That's not a bad record regardless of the league with what he's had to deal with.
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Apart from the Ched saga - what has he had to deal with?
All clubs cut their cloth accordingly when they are relegated
He has signed players that wouldn't have looked at another 3rd division club because of the wages eg Kitson, Robson, Murphy
He has kept hold of promising youngsters ie Long, Maguire, Ironside, etc because of the resources, size of club, prospects?
They are playing in front of the best away following in the league
They are playing in a Premier League Stadium at home in front of an average crowd of 18,000
On their own volition they are utilising 65% of the highest turnover in the league for players wages.

So the likes of Swindon (transfer embargo), Coventry (Liquidation and losing their manager) Bury (near Liquidation baled out by PFA) Doncaster Rovers (losing their manager to higher league club) or the likes of Hartlepool, Scunthorpe, Crawley, Stevenage, Colchester, Shrewsbury etc playing in front of paltry crowds week in week out - are all in a worse state than the Blades - Sorry you've got that wrong Foxy!!

The above record stands for Jack Sh!t if we don't get promotion this season and it's looking very likely that Mr Wilson is going to fail again - Most managers in this division would swap their club for United tomorrow!!
 
Before I answer, can someone find out who McCabes other neighbour is?
 
blade too long said:
so are you using scunthorpe and preston as a comparison , hes done better than them
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Because we are generating far more money than they are and supposedly can buy and pay better players with higher wages
Scunthorpe Average attendance 3-4000 per home game Away following average 250
Preston Average attendance 8-9000 per home game away following average 600

Preston has been verging on bankruptcy for about two seasons and Scunthorpe are realistically a similar sized club to Rotherham - we should be doing better than them!
 
Foxy said:
Danny Wilson

Played 100
Won 54
Drawn 28
Lost 18

That's not a bad record regardless of the league with what he's had to deal with.
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Regardless, if he doesn't get us up, i can see too many people thinking "Let's give him another crack at it."
 
Pinchy said:
Congratulations on 100 games Danny. You were left with a garbage team by the successive efforts of Semi-Pro and Quickfix. The job was always going to be long term and you are building in the right direction. Forget the knee-jerk nonsense from some 'fans'. You are doing just fine. The sensible Blades know it'll take time and patience.

Great away win today. Well Done the Blades. Wish we hadn't signed those past-it journeymen Kits and Robbo, though!

Walking in a Wilson Wonderland.
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Totally agree Danny Wilson is the most sensible level headed mgr for a long time he can only do what he can with what he s got n they were unlucky last season#believe
 
Fiery Blade said:
Because we are generating far more money than they are and supposedly can buy and pay better players with higher wages
Scunthorpe Average attendance 3-4000 per home game Away following average 250
Preston Average attendance 8-9000 per home game away following average 600

Preston has been verging on bankruptcy for about two seasons and Scunthorpe are realistically a similar sized club to Rotherham - we should be doing better than them!
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That does not give us the rights to promotion just ask Leeds ,Forest, Stoke, Soton
 



Racy said:
That does not give us the rights to promotion just ask Leeds ,Forest, Stoke, Soton
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Of course it doesn't that what makes football great but it's not unrealistic for the fans to have the highest expectations in the league.
 
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