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wizadry said:
Some are saying £500k will prove to be a bargain, well what about when we could've had him for nothing when he came out of the nick only for our board to be a set of spineless twats and buckling under the pressure?

I couldn't give a fuck whether we sign him or not now but why has it come out now is a big question I'd like to be asked by that cunt Statton or our man Giddings.
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Think you answered your own question there
 

Just when i thought we'd moved on. We dont need him. Been a sick note all season. This almost offers the threat of an anti-climax.
 
IF we can get him fit and firing, which I think Wilder will, we'll see Ched who badly wants to succeed and not let this overshadow his whole career, he's still very young and if he can be at 60-70% will add a complete different dimension to our attack, he doesn't need to start, for 500k in the championship you'll not find too many better strikers available.
 
Sorry I haven't read all the posts on this thread, so I apologise in advance if this has been said before but......FUCK THAT, HE'S WANK.....just my opinion and I know its right.
 
cooperblade said:
Staggered by some of the reaction to this. Can understand people having differing views on whether or not it's a good signing from a football point of view but people saying it's ruined the season?!

To ruin the season we've just had, we'd have to sack Wilder and replace him with a Megson / Jones combo. To let the signing of one player spoil your enjoyment of the season we've just had or even just your enjoyment of the Chesterfield game seems incredibly melodramatic.

I know (at least) one member of the Chesterfield coaching staff rated Evans very highly indeed. We as a fanbase know better than anyone just how good he can be. Any moral issues disappeared when he won his appeal.

I accept that he only did it over one season (but how many others performed well in the period he struggled?) but he was, by a country mile, our best striker since Brian Deane. Even when he was struggling, the likes of Gary Speed were on record about his ability and potential.

He's struggled for fitness after a long spell out but that's to be expected, hopefully he's done most of the slow recovery process at Chesterfield and we get a fit, fully firing Evans next season.

Definitely a gamble but the upside is huge and I'm really hopeful he'll prove to be a good signing. And on Sunday, I'll be celebrating our promotion and singing the names of Sharp, O'Connell, Coutts, Fleck, Wilder etc. I feel sorry for those who now won't be able to but I think the blame for that sits with them and not SUFC.
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Great post
 
Patrick Suffaux said:
I know why you're saying that last bit but I don't see the relevance of timing personally. It could only be a timing issue to some because of what happened in the past and the fact that he used to play for us.

As far as I'm concerned he's a footballer like any other and our brilliant manager thinks he's worth signing so why wait to get it done and announced. If Wilder wants him that's good enough for me.
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I agree in Wilder we totally trust, I think contracts and player signing should have been done in the closed season let this one close before you open the next, but if he bangs them in all good and a great Gamble by the club.
 
Sheff de party said:
No it isn't. The point I'm making is that to say it's a purely footballing decision is ridiculous. But if that's what people think this is, you're either committed to that viewpoint regarldless of what the person has done, or you condone his actions to the extent that he can come and play for us.

I don't judge anyone for being ok with him playing for us. That's a reasonable viewpoint, albeit incorrect in my opinion. As long as you can accept that some people can and will have a problem with it.
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It is. This is about a specific player who was initially found guilty of rape. The obvious comparison would be signing someone who hadn't been subsequently found not guilty and remained a convicted sex offender. You chose to dramatise it further for some reason, with reference to an even more abhorrent crime. No need for it.
 
Seems a strange one to me, but look what Wilder has done for the fortunes of Coutts, Freeman etc. If anyone can get him playing to his potential, Wilder will. I would also assume he's sounded the rest of the lads out about it before going ahead with anything.
 
Grizzly blade said:
It's very hard not to come over very patronising here.
But 1....Judges DO make decisions on guilt in certain courts.
2. How do you know nobody else is after him.
3. Have you read all th evidence? Up to this point, with no further appeal from the crown, he is NOT GUILTY. All evidence that was to be heard has been heard in a court.
4. we aren't signing a convicted sex offender, we aren't signing a convicted rapist. Football decisions can include the potential problems from signing a convicted sex offender....last time we backed out of signing a convicted rapist due to this. This time we haven't. A sex offenders baggage would be wholly different to the Evans situation.

I have been party to some very interesting facts from the time Evans was at the club last. I have also been party to boardroom level chat when it looked like he was coming back.
And the facts are this....She was very interested in not going to court provided a certain price was paid. She approached both the club and the player for this.We did have an agreement for him to come back and went back on it.

But me....I am against his signing because I would rather we concentrate on young talent. Football reasons.
I won't desert my club, or his team mates because I don't like one signing. That's a twats trick.
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Patronise me if you like :)

1. Judges make decisions in The X Factor but that's not what we're talking about is it. We're talking about a rape trial and they don't make decisions in those about guilt.
2. Figure of speech. Don't get fixated.
3. I've read plenty of evidence and there is evidence she was too drunk, whilst it is not disputed that they both had sex with her. You may believe in his innocence but to say there is no evidence of guilt in a trial where someone was convicted the first time is ridiculous. It's not a question of appeal - he has been acquitted, so now they will need new extradordinary evidence to try him again.
4. I've been over this point already.

If you think I'm a twat, that's ok too :) I'm not moving to New Zealand because we're signing Ched. But I'm a lot less bothered about missing the season now.
 

wizadry said:
Some are saying £500k will prove to be a bargain, well what about when we could've had him for nothing when he came out of the nick only for our board to be a set of spineless twats and buckling under the pressure?

I couldn't give a fuck whether we sign him or not now but why has it come out now is a big question I'd like to be asked by that cunt Statton or our man Giddings.
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Still not made it up with Dad Scott?

Si.
 
Sean Thornton said:
It is. This is about a specific player who was initially found guilty of rape. The obvious comparison would be signing someone who hadn't been subsequently found not guilty and remained a convicted sex offender. You chose to dramatise it further for some reason, with reference to an even more abhorrent crime. No need for it.
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I've explained why and you disagree. Fair enough.
 
cooperblade said:
Staggered by some of the reaction to this. Can understand people having differing views on whether or not it's a good signing from a football point of view but people saying it's ruined the season?!

To ruin the season we've just had, we'd have to sack Wilder and replace him with a Megson / Jones combo. To let the signing of one player spoil your enjoyment of the season we've just had or even just your enjoyment of the Chesterfield game seems incredibly melodramatic.

I know (at least) one member of the Chesterfield coaching staff rated Evans very highly indeed. We as a fanbase know better than anyone just how good he can be. Any moral issues disappeared when he won his appeal.

I accept that he only did it over one season (but how many others performed well in the period he struggled?) but he was, by a country mile, our best striker since Brian Deane. Even when he was struggling, the likes of Gary Speed were on record about his ability and potential.

He's struggled for fitness after a long spell out but that's to be expected, hopefully he's done most of the slow recovery process at Chesterfield and we get a fit, fully firing Evans next season.

Definitely a gamble but the upside is huge and I'm really hopeful he'll prove to be a good signing. And on Sunday, I'll be celebrating our promotion and singing the names of Sharp, O'Connell, Coutts, Fleck, Wilder etc. I feel sorry for those who now won't be able to but I think the blame for that sits with them and not SUFC.
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I think you're right. How can you be a Blade unless you're bloody angry/frustrated about something that McCabe s done?
 
A few things on this, if it turns out to be true:

1) £500k is too much if that's in any way true, a player who's been injured all season and scored a handful of league goals is not worth £500k.

2) If we have any sense it's a low salary max £3k p/w with bonuses for goals and assists.

3) Hopefully it's CW's decision and the players have been canvassed on whether they are happy with the addition of Chedwyn to the dressing room.

4) Really stupid timing, ahead of the final game of a fantastic season, why risk the bad PR now.

5) If it's CW's decision I trust him and hope that Chedwyn feels he has a point to prove and comes in and does so. He should play 2nd fiddle to Sharp, Clarke and Hanson until he proves himself better than any of them.

Not worth throwing the toys out of the pram about but it's just one of those situations where you wonder who makes these decisions and why you would risk upsetting one of the most joyous periods in recent history.
 
Sean Thornton said:
It is. This is about a specific player who was initially found guilty of rape. The obvious comparison would be signing someone who hadn't been subsequently found not guilty and remained a convicted sex offender. You chose to dramatise it further for some reason, with reference to an even more abhorrent crime. No need for it.
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I assumed we'd made enquiries about when Adam Johnson is out on day release.
 
Sheff de party said:
No it isn't. The point I'm making is that to say it's a purely footballing decision is ridiculous. But if that's what people think this is, you're either committed to that viewpoint regarldless of what the person has done, or you condone his actions to the extent that he can come and play for us.

I don't judge anyone for being ok with him playing for us. That's a reasonable viewpoint, albeit incorrect in my opinion. As long as you can accept that some people can and will have a problem with it.
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If it's not a footballing decision , why has it been made ?

Apologies if you mentioned it in a previous post .
 

cooperblade said:
Staggered by some of the reaction to this. Can understand people having differing views on whether or not it's a good signing from a football point of view but people saying it's ruined the season?!

To ruin the season we've just had, we'd have to sack Wilder and replace him with a Megson / Jones combo. To let the signing of one player spoil your enjoyment of the season we've just had or even just your enjoyment of the Chesterfield game seems incredibly melodramatic.

I know (at least) one member of the Chesterfield coaching staff rated Evans very highly indeed. We as a fanbase know better than anyone just how good he can be. Any moral issues disappeared when he won his appeal.

I accept that he only did it over one season (but how many others performed well in the period he struggled?) but he was, by a country mile, our best striker since Brian Deane. Even when he was struggling, the likes of Gary Speed were on record about his ability and potential.

He's struggled for fitness after a long spell out but that's to be expected, hopefully he's done most of the slow recovery process at Chesterfield and we get a fit, fully firing Evans next season.

Definitely a gamble but the upside is huge and I'm really hopeful he'll prove to be a good signing. And on Sunday, I'll be celebrating our promotion and singing the names of Sharp, O'Connell, Coutts, Fleck, Wilder etc. I feel sorry for those who now won't be able to but I think the blame for that sits with them and not SUFC.
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Doesn't ruin a season but certainly takes the glint off it (for me at least).

If nothing else it's going to overshadow the end of our season. Sunday should be about celebrating what the players, staff and manager have done. It should not be about dredging this up again.

If it was going to be done, it should have been announced after the end of the season. Let the players have their moment.
 
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