Cresswell Deal to be Made Permanent in Jan

[Bristol Blade]

"Put that with the £4.5m investment in new players where we have paid for transfers (including Richard Cresswell who will be signed in the January transfer window), loan fees as well agents' fees of £350,000 and it is clear that we are determined to provide Kevin with a platform to reach the Premier League."

http://www.sufc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10418~1841445,00.html

Sorry if this was already common knowledge but I didn't think I'd seen it confirmed anywhere before. I've not seen him play yet so I can't comment, but what are anyone elses opinions on him though?

 

[Latters]

Looked good when I've seen him so far. Would appear to put more effort in than the majority. I'd just prefer to see him playing centre forward rather than out wide.

 

[10 (formerly TEN)]

Was absolute "TOSS" against Donny Rovers, goal excluded. A "BIG TIME HAS BEEN", who when he was any good turned United down twice. Say no more!

 

[Guesty]

In my view he was fine against Rovers, put himself about well and was brave for the goal. He did look a bit lost when he had the ball at his feet on the wing a couple of times, but that aside I was impressed.

 

[Latters]

Was absolute "TOSS" against Donny Rovers, goal excluded. A "BIG TIME HAS BEEN", who when he was any good turned United down twice. Say no more!

I wouldn't really say he's a big time or a has been. He's hardly had an illustrious past plying his trade with the likes of Milan and Real and as he never really relied on pace, he's still got all the attributes he ever had. He's a big, strong player with decent technique who isn't averse to putting himself about a bit. I'm quite happy to have him here and think if he plays up front he'd chip in with his fair share of goals. Probably quite far down the pecking order as a strike partnership but I wouldn't mind the look of him and Camara up front, when both are fully fit of course.

 

[SwissBlade]

Was absolute "TOSS" against Donny Rovers, goal excluded. A "BIG TIME HAS BEEN", who when he was any good turned United down twice. Say no more!

Good player thats proving the boo boys wrong. Sign him up

 

[Dog Blade]

Was absolute "TOSS" against Donny Rovers, goal excluded. A "BIG TIME HAS BEEN", who when he was any good turned United down twice. Say no more!

Pleasantly surprised against Donny as played ok and put a massive effort in

Just an illustration of where we are at at the minute with signings, and also plays mainly wide left these days - Treacy, Reid, Ward etc... And if he does play up front then Camara, Henderson, Evans, Ward etc...

Decent signing, but quality over quantity Kevin?....hmmmmm

 

[beechblade]

Was absolute "TOSS" against Donny Rovers, goal excluded. A "BIG TIME HAS BEEN", who when he was any good turned United down twice. Say no more!

Where you at the game? He was one of our better players on the day showing guile and passion and then continued the rest of the game with a cracked rib, if he suffered any drop in play in the game it was largely due to him being injured, but he still showed guts by showing he will carry on even in serious cases, whatever he has done in the past is in the past, he wears our red and white now so he gets my support!!!

 

[MAQ]

Was absolute "TOSS" against Donny Rovers, goal excluded. A "BIG TIME HAS BEEN", who when he was any good turned United down twice. Say no more!

Your a rather angry fellow arent you!

Have a fish :fishbowl:

 

[boo radley]

Was absolute "TOSS" against Donny Rovers, goal excluded. A "BIG TIME HAS BEEN", who when he was any good turned United down twice. Say no more!

in case you didnt notice Killa turned down blades twice so did akim badbuy.
He was good against donny for his first app, and if he's prepared to throw in for goals like that then he wants his place.
we all know he can score and if he plays mid he will be that late runner to score from there.

 

[Revolution]

Cresswell on a permanent basis. How far we have regressed in little more than 2 years.

"Put that with the £4.5m investment in new players where we have paid for transfers (including Richard Cresswell who will be signed in the January transfer window), loan fees as well agents' fees of £350,000 and it is clear that we are determined to provide Kevin with a platform to reach the Premier League."

It's less clear when you factor in player sales...

 

[NN6]

Cresswell fits nicely with the reprofiling the club is meant to be doing doesn't he???????????????

As mentioned by the previous poster this 'platform' looks very shakey when you factor in the fees received for the likes of BT, Kyle N, Kyle W et al!!!

It looks even shakier when you factor in the size of our squad and then when you realise 6 or 7 of that squad are on loan it collapses!!

 

[alcoblade]

Cresswell on a permanent basis. How far we have regressed in little more than 2 years.

"Put that with the £4.5m investment in new players where we have paid for transfers (including Richard Cresswell who will be signed in the January transfer window), loan fees as well agents' fees of £350,000 and it is clear that we are determined to provide Kevin with a platform to reach the Premier League."

It's less clear when you factor in player sales...

I think that regression was to be expected and many clubs in our position (post parachute) would be happy to be signing the likes of Cresswell.

What irks me is the spin it comes with. Are we to forget that we raised £10M (Kev's words) from the sale of our 2 fullbacks, or that we released the deadwood we accrued under Robson?

More frightening (though this is Blackwell's fault) is that we paid £3M (FFS!) for Evans, and made him "one of the highest paid players outside the premiership". And to think Chopra, who looks light years ahead, cost only another million. It looks awful business.

Overall we haven't invested, we've downgraded. Perfectly reasonable, but why not just say it how it is?

UTB

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Pleased with that signing, don't know where TEN was for the Donny game but was certainly not at the match.

TEN, you weren't one of those idiots who boo'd him were you?

 

[Highbury_Blade]

I think that regression was to be expected and many clubs in our position (post parachute\|) would be happy to be signing the likes of Cresswell.

What irks me is the spin it comes with. Are we to forget that we raised £10M (Kev's words) from the sale of our 2 fullbacks, or that we released the deadwood we accurued under Robson?

More frightening (though this is Blackwell's fault) is that we paid £3M (FFS!) for Evans, and made him "one of the highest paid players outside the premiership". And to think Chopra, who looks light years ahead, cost only another million. It looks awful business.

Overall we haven't invested, we've downgraded. Perfectly reasonable, but why not just say it how it is?

UTB

Michael Chopra has 5 more years experience than Ched, and plenty of experience playing in this division.

We haven't yet paid £3m for Ched.

 

[Latters]

Michael Chopra has 5 more years experience than Ched, and plenty of experience playing in this division.

We haven't yet paid £3m for Ched.

McCabe seems keen to point out we paid that much for him.

 

[Highbury_Blade]

McCabe seems keen to point out we paid that much for him.

Well yes, because he's committed to paying that much should Ched fulfill certain criteria. If he fulfills those criteria then by and large i guess most fans would think it was a success. If he doesn't then we don't pay the full amount.

If you bought a car on HP, you would say i've only paid £100 for it, when you've still got another £20k to go would you?

 

[alcoblade]

Michael Chopra has 5 more years experience than Ched, and plenty of experience playing in this division.

agreed, but sadly missed when we priced up the deal. Chopra is, right now, offering far more than Evans. Cardiff bought the product, we bought the potential. Will the potential pay off? The evidence so far is not looking good at all. Cardiff are definitley reaping the rewards now.

We haven't yet paid £3m for Ched.

I doubt Cardiff have paid £4M yet for Chopra either. The £3M figure is being used by McCabe to big up the deal. Against his own parameters, the deal looks awful.

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[alcoblade]

Well yes, because he's committed to paying that much should Ched fulfill certain criteria. If he fulfills those criteria then by and large i guess most fans would think it was a success. If he doesn't then we don't pay the full amount.

If you bought a car on HP, you would say i've only paid £100 for it, when you've still got another £20k to go would you?

But I think you're speculating, aren't you? Our chairman says it's £3M. We can only hope (as I suspect you are doing) that that's dependant on him playing for England and United getting promoted. But that's not how our own club is selling it to us.

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[Highbury_Blade]

agreed, but sadly missed when we priced up the deal. Chopra is, right now, offering far more than Evans. Cardiff bought the product, we bought the potential. Will the potential pay off? The evidence so far is not looking good at all. Cardiff are definitley reaping the rewards now.

If reports are accurate we paid £1.5m up front. If he reaches his potential then Man City get an extra £1.5m. What's the problem with that? If he's a failure we can sell him on, for a similar figure. If he reaches his potential then we've got a great striker.

Really don't see what the big deal is.

I doubt Cardiff have paid £4M yet for Chopra either. The £3M figure is being used by McCabe to big up the deal. Against his own parameters, the deal looks awful.

UTB

No the £3m figure is used because that's what the liability is on the balance sheet.

 

[Revolution]

If you bought a car on HP, you would say i've only paid £100 for it, when you've still got another £20k to go would you?

That's not the same thing. You are bound to pay the balance of the money for the car whatever happens. On the other hand, Evans may never satisfy the criteria that would require a further payment.

 

[Highbury_Blade]

If you bought a car on HP, you would say i've only paid £100 for it, when you've still got another £20k to go would you?

That's not the same thing. You are bound to pay the balance of the money for the car whatever happens. On the other hand, Evans may never satisfy the criteria that would require a further payment.

Ok not an exact analogy.

I simply don't understand what the problem right now is with the fans toward evans. He's young and only a few games into his united career. Can't remember what you're stance on Blackwell is, but if you're sick of Blackwell's tactics then perhaps you and alco and lenners can recognise that this system is unfamiliar to Ched and he might need more than a few games to bed in.

Camara might have looked like he was useful the other day as he'd had his fair share of experience playing under different systems. Give the lad time for christsakes

 

[Rudders]

But I think you're speculating, aren't you? Our chairman says it's £3M. We can only hope (as I suspect you are doing) that that's dependant on him playing for England and United getting promoted. But that's not how our own club is selling it to us.

UTB

He's a fully blown taff isn't he boyo?

 

[Highbury_Blade]

He's a fully blown taff isn't he boyo?

LOL i missed that one. :thumbup:

 

[alcoblade]

I simply don't understand what the problem right now is with the fans toward evans.

As McCabe says, he's commanded one of the highest wages outside the premiership. Whilst he drives around in the Ferrari that comes with it, it's fair game accept some expectation from those that pay for your exceptional lifestyle. I'm desperate for him to do well. Unlike Len, I don't want to say I told you so. But the evidence so far suggest we could well have bought a pup. After 5 games I wouldn't comment. After a third of a season I'd hope to see evidence of some talent. Hand on heart, I've seen not one thinbg to encourage me. I can't list one positive, let alone exceptional attribute.

if you're sick of Blackwell's tactics then perhaps you and alco and lenners can recognise that this system is unfamiliar to Ched and he might need more than a few games to bed in.

As I say, I don't expect the finished product. For £3M a tiny sign would have been nice.

Camara might have looked like he was useful the other day

yes, in one game he showed more than Evans has in Umpteen. I truly respect your Patience but suspect it's more blind loyalty. Come the end of the season I really hope we can discuss how wrong I was.

UTB

 

[alcoblade]

He's a fully blown taff isn't he boyo?

well spotted, Batman....

UTB

 

[alcoblade]

If reports are accurate we paid £1.5m up front. If he reaches his potential then Man City get an extra £1.5m. What's the problem with that? If he's a failure we can sell him on, for a similar figure. If he reaches his potential then we've got a great striker.

Really don't see what the big deal is.



No the £3m figure is used because that's what the liability is on the balance sheet.

Where are these reports? I've heard lots of noise from fans. The only thing coming from the club suggests £3M. Nothing else. No fee is ever paid entirely up front.

What's the big deal? Even if we've only paid £1.5 M (and forgetting "one of the highest wages outside the premiership") right now he looks awful value for money.

How does anyone know we can sell him on for a similar figure? Can anyone argue that his performances so far haven't raised significant doubt about his worth?

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[Revolution]

Can't remember what you're stance on Blackwell is, but if you're sick of Blackwell's tactics then perhaps you and alco and lenners can recognise that this system is unfamiliar to Ched and he might need more than a few games to bed in.

I'm not anti-Evans at all, actually - I agree with you on this. I'm of the view that he should be in the side for a run of games, as opposed to being messed about and dropped for away matches.

I think he's one of a number of players on the books (Cotterill and Harper and Reid are others) who would be better off under someone other than KB.

 

[alcoblade]

Can't remember what you're stance on Blackwell is, but if you're sick of Blackwell's tactics then perhaps you and alco and lenners can recognise that this system is unfamiliar to Ched and he might need more than a few games to bed in.

I'm not anti-Evans at all, actually - I agree with you on this. I'm of the view that he should be in the side for a run of games, as opposed to being messed about and dropped for away matches.

I think he's one of a number of players on the books (Cotterill and Harper and Reid are others) who would be better off under someone other than KB.

I don't doubt our style isn't to his best liking, or that not getting an extended run doesn't hinder progress. What I'm looking for is a hint of at least one of the following;

A burst of pace
A good workrate
Good positional sense
An eye for goal
A phsysical presence

Decent stirkers should excel at least one of these attributes. Can anyone point me to passages of play when Evans' performance has even hinted at any such strength?

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[TonyAgana]

His composure and finish for his first goal for us was first class. I really thought we've got a goody here.


(Evans, I mean)