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Can't say i'll lose much sleep, very good on his day, but despite chances, he rarely performs until the sun starts shining.

I loved his comments about Wardy, the way he talked about Ward was acceptance that he (Cotts) should be doing better.

Cotteril flatters to decieve too often, running down blind alley's or checking back when all we really need is for him to be direct and get past defenders.

Lets see if its true and if we can get some cash back for him
 
SwissBlade said:
Can't say i'll lose much sleep, very good on his day, but despite chances, he rarely performs until the sun starts shining.

I loved his comments about Wardy, the way he talked about Ward was acceptance that he (Cotts) should be doing better.

Cotteril flatters to decieve too often, running down blind alley's or checking back when all we really need is for him to be direct and get past defenders.

Lets see if its true and if we can get some cash back for him
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An absolute f**king disgrace. If this goes ahead I’m whipping my shoes and readying them as ammo.

Cotterill is easily the most dangerous player at the club, and he just needs to work on his consistency. Blackwell needs to recognise this and work with him to improve it, as on his day he can be devastating. No doubt that he’ll be a major success for the swans.
 
I wonder if Wigan fans thought the same when they cashed in on him.

Yes on his day he can be devastating, but never for a full 90, he rarely mucks in and i can count on 1 hand how many times he's had his day with us.

This is one that despite Blackies failings in some areas. Cotterill's failure can't be pinned on Blackie. How many times has he had to cuddle him and tell him he's a good player only for him to have yet another shocker?

I think he's put 2 or 3 crosses into the right area in 2 1/2 seasons

I think its a disgrace that we've paid him all this time
 
"The Championship outfit are looking to strengthen their squad for a bid to make the play-offs."

Kevin Blackwell you fail to amaze.

You moan about the size of the squad and injury problems, then you go and sell one of the available players.

Round of applause for old Kev then.
 
SwissBlade said:
Can't say i'll lose much sleep, very good on his day, but despite chances, he rarely performs until the sun starts shining.

I loved his comments about Wardy, the way he talked about Ward was acceptance that he (Cotts) should be doing better.

Cotteril flatters to decieve too often, running down blind alley's or checking back when all we really need is for him to be direct and get past defenders.

Lets see if its true and if we can get some cash back for him
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You are way out on this one Swiss. Coterill was the catalyst for our upsurge in form last season. The guy has real talent. He has a footballing brain and (as Highbury says) is very dangerous. On countless occassions he has been our best player and (even when playing badly) always creates something. Last season he worked hard at tracking back and working for his team mates in addtion to his flair going forward.

He's had a few disappointing games in a United shirt. But who is in the current team who hasn't?

I'll be very disappointed to see him go.

Asaba/Jaffo, you are spot on. At a time when KB is moaning about injruires, small squad etc selling one of our more talented players is simply ridiculous.
 
he shud never have arrived at BDTBL ................

is the management waking up ?
 
This is an absolute f**king disgrace! I cannot believe this is happening, I have totally lost all faith in our clueless 4th division management.

Another good footballer driven out of the team by tw*twell. We only have three talented footballers at the club, Cotts, Evans and Kilgallon and Killa is going in January too. Why the f*ck is that pr*ick of a 'manager' we have doing this to us?

Cotterill is 21 and an international winger ffs. If Blackwell and some the supporters that no jack sh*t about football put some faith in him and didn't get on his f*cking back all game, he'd flourish. He will go to Swansea and be on the best wingers in the league, then the clappers will be wondering why he didnt do it for us. Becuase of Blackwell thats why!

I don't blame Cotts for leaving though, he'll be glad to be in a team that plays football in the right way, which is banned at Bramall Lane. Good luck to him and really hope he does well and proves Blackwell and some of our supporters wrong.

F*CK OFF BLACKWELL!!
 
Highbury_Blade said:
An absolute f**king disgrace. If this goes ahead I’m whipping my shoes and readying them as ammo.

Cotterill is easily the most dangerous player at the club, and he just needs to work on his consistency. Blackwell needs to recognise this and work with him to improve it, as on his day he can be devastating. No doubt that he’ll be a major success for the swans.
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I second that.
 
Why is it that every player who ever leaves suddenly becomes shit and was never any good in the first place??
 
I'll never forget Cotts display in the 1-1 draw against Hull in the FA Cup earlier this year. Was the classiest player on the pitch. Often wondered why;

1. He couldn't show that level of commitment, skill and ability week in week out, and

2. Why Blackwell wouldn't give him a starting run in the side to try and emulate said form.

I'm with the majority here. Why the f 'ck Blackwell can whinge and whinge about injuries blah blah blah blah and then get rid of one of our most promising young players without giving him a real go is really f 'kng beyond me.

Get him out (Blackwell)
 
Cotterill has been relatively poor since we signed him permanently, I cant deny that. But I really do have to question Blackwells man management of the player.

What people forget is that he's 21 years old.

As a 21 year old, that is clearly a "confidence" player I think he has been seriously let down by the management at Sheffield United.

Put it this way....has Evan's been much, if any, better than him this season? No.

Yet, Evans is given the excuse of being "young and progressing".

I pointed it out at the time it happened, but lets go back to the Newcastle game a few weeks ago. Kyle Walker had the ball in his own half, about 15/20 yards outside his own area. He then tried to run with the ball, despite being surrounded by 4 players. He subsequently lost the ball (regardless of it being a foul) and they scored. NOW Can you imagine if Cotterill had done that? Radio "Sheffield" would slaughter him, Blackwell would drop him and he'd be in the wilderness for months.

If he does leave, I feel it will be a move we live to regret. I'll remember him as the player who (when we had a quality striker) was responsible for endless assists and whom it could be argued is one of the players who performed consistently ensuring Blackwell was offered a longer contract.

I'd like to know what James Beattie would think of this. Beattie was without question the most prolific striker we've had for several years and if you look at some of his better games it was with Cotterill putting the ball in the box for him. Beat's volley against Bristol City from Cotterills corner will long be remembered!

He's not the messiah, nor the answer to our current problems. But he's young, talented and an asset.

I feel some of our players are becoming very disillusioned at United. Cotterill, Evans, Killa and arguably Harper at times look completely disinterested. That to me suggests theres deeper problems.
 
raul said:
Why is it that every player who ever leaves suddenly becomes shit and was never any good in the first place??
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I thought it was the other way round. Every player we sell turns out to have talent that makes Pele look like Chris Guthrie and was "never given a chance" by Blackwell, Warnock or whoever.
 

Darren said:
I thought it was the other way round. Every player we sell turns out to have talent that makes Pele look like Chris Guthrie and was "never given a chance" by Blackwell, Warnock or whoever.
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My God Chris Guthrie ... he and Steve Ludlam used to make me want to cry
 
I'm with the side that doesn't want him to leave. Massively inconsistent, but he's been played inconsistently by a man with no man-management skills whatsoever. His treatment by Blackwell has been almost akin to bullying.

And in terms of the 'every player who we sell is Pele' argument, I think the vast majority of those lamenting his possible sale have been screaming for him to be in the side since the start of the season.

He's a winger ffs, they're meant to be inconsisent.
 
SwissBlade said:
I wonder if Wigan fans thought the same when they cashed in on him.

Yes on his day he can be devastating, but never for a full 90, he rarely mucks in and i can count on 1 hand how many times he's had his day with us.

This is one that despite Blackies failings in some areas. Cotterill's failure can't be pinned on Blackie. How many times has he had to cuddle him and tell him he's a good player only for him to have yet another shocker?

I think he's put 2 or 3 crosses into the right area in 2 1/2 seasons

I think its a disgrace that we've paid him all this time
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As "crocks of shit" go, that's right up there.

I was really hoping we were going to get a proper manager before selling our best wide player but that looks a forlorn hope.
Never mind let's sign some other workhorse and hoof it a little bit further.
 
SwissBlade said:
I wonder if Wigan fans thought the same when they cashed in on him.

Yes on his day he can be devastating, but never for a full 90, he rarely mucks in and i can count on 1 hand how many times he's had his day with us.

This is one that despite Blackies failings in some areas. Cotterill's failure can't be pinned on Blackie. How many times has he had to cuddle him and tell him he's a good player only for him to have yet another shocker?

I think he's put 2 or 3 crosses into the right area in 2 1/2 seasons

I think its a disgrace that we've paid him all this time
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I don't especially rate Cotterill, I admit that, but I think your above comments are way, way over the top (I accept you say he can be devastating at times). He is an asset in CCC and selling him is crazy in my opinion.

By saying he rarely mucks in you are effectively saying he doesn't put the effort in. How do you know that? I often get asked these questions when I slate Blackwell so how can you say he rarely mucks in? Does Cotts go out their and think I won't muck in today and I'll not try my best? He does try and get back and help, he just isn't much good at it and no real surprise there. I'm not that bothered, yes there are basics in terms of positionally helping out and closing down but I think he does that as well as say harper who can't get around the pitch anymore to do that.

McCabe and finance is behind this not Blackwell directly in my opinion, but the latter's treatment of the player, and I accept I never see training etc, has been diabolical in my opinion.
 
I want Blackwell out as much as anyone but I simply do not recognise the 'Jairzinho meets George Best' Cotterill that you all rate so highly, nor do I accept that he hasn't been given a fair crack of the whip. He has failed to take numerous opportunities to shine, though not as many as the likes of Elpiton I accept.

I'm losing no sleep over this one I'm afraid.

Blackwell OUT.
 
Robbie said:
Are you having a laugh?
Are you trying to wind people up?

I know everyone is entitled to their opinion, but that is just utter bollocks.
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Why am I having a laugh/ trying to wind people up? Because... I disagree. Grow up Robbie. If you think that anyone that disagree's with your opinion is "trying to wind you up" then perhaps anger management is right up your street.

I don't rate the guy, seen enough of him that he doesn't do his job. How often does he check back rather than doing what Wardy does and attack the man? How many decent crosses does he put in(honestly)? And by crosses I don't mean the ones that sail on by into the keepers hands, kop etc etc When he gets a kick he seems to nesh to try and take the man on again.

This thought that Cotterill was the reason for last season's revival is fantastic. My personal opinion was that Monty and the back four were the main reason we kicked on.

If he's that good of a player, then wheres he been the last few weeks? Where is he when we're on a bad run? He's certainly nowhere near getting a start... Why? Because he has no form? NO its because so many on here believe that Blackwell has a conspiracy against him.

He doesn't work hard enough to earn the shirt, but lets keep him for the couple of games a season that he turns up shall we?

The fact is that when Cotterill plays he sees so much of the ball, true the team play prettier football, but its no more effective as he wastes so much

I'd rather get committed players in that want to work for the team, not just wait for the ball and take pens to boost an otherwise awful goals tally.

Yes he's young, but so's Wardy, Walker and Evans. I'd expect that any of those would also be questioned if they couldn't break the first team consistently and deliver the goods after 2 1/2 seasons.

But hey, i'm just having a laugh and trying to wind people up by talking utter bollocks with my opinion
 
SwissBlade said:
I wonder if Wigan fans thought the same when they cashed in on him.

Yes on his day he can be devastating, but never for a full 90, he rarely mucks in and i can count on 1 hand how many times he's had his day with us.

This is one that despite Blackies failings in some areas. Cotterill's failure can't be pinned on Blackie. How many times has he had to cuddle him and tell him he's a good player only for him to have yet another shocker?

I think he's put 2 or 3 crosses into the right area in 2 1/2 seasons

I think its a disgrace that we've paid him all this time
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He gets the crosses into the box. It's up to the strikers to get on the end of them crosses.
 
SwissBlade said:
How many times has he had to cuddle him and tell him he's a good player only for him to have yet another shocker?

I think he's put 2 or 3 crosses into the right area in 2 1/2 seasons
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Two of the most amazing comments I've ever read!

Blackwell has constantly hurled abuse at Cotts from the touchline, left him out regularly and even singled him out as the reason we lost at Swansea this season. He's more to blame than anyone if Cotterill is to be classed as a failure.

2 or 3 crosses - that's just silly talk and not worthy of a response.
 
Micalijo said:
McCabe and finance is behind this not Blackwell directly in my opinion, but the latter's treatment of the player, and I accept I never see training etc, has been diabolical in my opinion.
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Think you could be on the right track there mate.

Genuine question, do we know what Cott's wages are and is there a clause in the purchase agreement that commits us to additional payments subject to appearances?
 
Pinchy said:
nor do I accept that he hasn't been given a fair crack of the whip. He has failed to take numerous opportunities to shine,
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Finished well clear at the top of the assists chart last season despite being left out for plenty of games, 3 starts this season despite the worst injury crisis his manager has ever known. If he starts and we're not playing well he's always the 1st withdrawn.

He may have played plenty of games for us but how many in spells of 1 or 2, how many times was he withdrawn, how many as sub. I think his most consistent run was when he was on loan which coincided with, hmm, a consistent run in the team.
 
cooperblade said:
Blackwell has constantly hurled abuse at Cotts from the touchline, left him out regularly and even singled him out as the reason we lost at Swansea this season. He's more to blame than anyone if Cotterill is to be classed as a failure.
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Ahhhh I forgot that any thread is now deemed open season on Blackwell bashing.

So was Blackwell also responsible for Cotterill reviving our season last season or does Blackie not deserve credit for that? I guess not.

Ok reasons and conspiracies aside... (I know it'll be hard for some) But answer one question.

Has Cotterill been consistent enough to be playing every week?

And by consistent I mean doing the entire job that is expected of him week in week out in this league. Not what you'd expect if he was playing for Barca
 
SwissBlade said:
Why am I having a laugh/ trying to wind people up? Because... I disagree. Grow up Robbie. If you think that anyone that disagree's with your opinion is "trying to wind you up" then perhaps anger management is right up your street.
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My comments were in direct response to the comment that I quoted.

Ie - 'I think he's put 2 or 3 crosses into the right area in 2 1/2 seasons'

2 or 3 crosses in that time?

Well I know he has had a lot more assists in that time, so it seems a bizarre comment. Or were these assists not put in the right places but we just managed to get a goal by luck from them.

It's not because you 'disagree' - its because you're stating stuff that just isn't there.

Everyone can have their on opinion on Cotts, and mine is that he is an asset to the team but can be frustrating. But to state he has only put '2 or 3 crosses into the right area in 2 1/2 seasons' is just well........ unfounded allegations lets say.

As for anger management? I get my stress out at football, I'm fine the rest of the time ;)
 
You really are setting yourself up to look like a prize pillock this morning Swiss Blade. This ridiculous stance of jutifying everything your beloved Kevin Blackwell does is getting out of control!?

Clapprty, clap, clap, clap!?
 

Very unlike you this Swiss, coming out with comments that are totally without foundation. Of course you are entitled to do that, but 2 or 3 decent crosses - joke comment imo worthy of some stick. Pretty predictable you throw in the anger management one - you've done that with me already and it is very poor.

And nobody is turning this into a Blackwell thread. You are making that up as well. Of course the manager has an influence on a player and it is impossible to sensibly discuss Cotterill without discussing the manager who signed him.

Anyway, as above, it's McCabe's doing in my opinion. I half suspect Blackwell would like to keep him - inspite of everything pointing to the contrary.
 
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