Cotterill about Blackwell

All advertisments are hidden for logged in members, why not log in/register?

Fantastic post Blade!
Highlighted Cotterills time at the lane
I never realised that he was subbed so often!
When compared with Quinn the stats speak volumes!!
Blackwell - Bully, Liar, Poor Man manager, Arrogant and Unsuccesful - about sums him up!
 

Great effort in the working out and stats. They paint an interesting picture in terms of the possible causes for him not performing etc.

But the thing I don't understand, is why that means the two mentioned have had more of a chance?

Surely if we are basing "being given a chance" purely on percentage of the possible matches played during their entire blades career, then the logic means that Carl Ikeme has been given more of a chance than Paddy Kenny? as he's played 100% of the possible games since we signed him?

It does worry me that we hear negative things from ex-players, but there seems to be one thing in common with all of the negative ones i've seen confirmed - they have all been sold or dropped and loaned out.

I've heard positive things too from various players, some still at the club, some that have been sold.

At the moment, it pretty much balances from the ones I've heard, but it is worrying that more recently there have been a few giving negatives.

At the end of the day, the manager is there to do a job, it's not going to be whether he is well liked that makes or breaks him, it'll be whether he gets the right results.
 
Autumn said:
I do believe Cotts never fitted into Blackwells way of thinking, and that is a shame, because the scout reports on some of our players are promising.
Click to expand...

Managers will always get it wrong from time to time, signing a player that they think will fit into their style of play/management, who turns out to be not quite what they expected and quickly surplus to requirements. Warnock's prime examples would be the striking trio of Hayles, Akinbiyi and Horsfield.

What's strange in the Cotterill example though is that Blackwell knew exactly what he was getting when he signed him, having managed him from February to May the previous season - a manager doesn't normally have that kind of inside information advantage when they sign a player. Yet within a month or two of signing him (for a lot of money incidentally), Blackwell went and loaned Halford, and made him the first choice right winger virtually from day 1. It was almost as though he signed Cotterill, then got excited that someone he thought was even better was available, so decided to get Halford in anyway, despite presumably implying to Cotterill when he signed that he'd feature heavily. I doubt he'd have agreed to sign if he realised he wasn't likely to be the first choice.
 
madeinsheffield said:
But in general this season we haven't been getting the results
Click to expand...

But since selling Cotts, they seem to have picked up? :D

The stats can paint pretty much any picture you want them to really. I mean, Blackwell is still well up there in terms of win % over his blades career, but that doesn't mean that wont take a massive nosedive and become the worst.
 
Foxy - may I just confirm that where I (and I think a few others) am coming from in this debate (no surprise) is from the perspective of wanting Blackwell's immediate removal as manager.

I'm disappointed you seem to think Cotterill should keep quiet. Good point about his Wigan exit quotes but no way is he good enough to play for them or any Premier team on a regular basis.

I do not think Cotterill is a world beater by any stretch but the whole of his time at the Lane can be used to sum up Blackwell for me.

He spends £1.5m on a player, he then pleads poverty, he blames injuries yet plays Stewart on the right wing with Cotterill on the bench. It's a constant stream of rollocks and failure when it really mattered.
 
shorehamview said:
That point was well worth quoting the entire message, just to make a new and interesting point about Blackwell that's not been raised before.

We are still in that parallel universe where people get pissed off that we won on Saturday aren't we?
Click to expand...

i'm not pissed off that we won. To be fair we was lucky to get 3points, howeever blackwell is not the man to take us up and his manager skills is below par from my point of view and we should got rid while he was on his losing streak. i can't see why people still look at blackwell as if he gonna be best manager ever. Face it he shit get rid now rather then later. His managerment skills has proven they do not work.
 
Just have a look at how many players Blackwell manages to sign who have played for him previously. When he took the Leeds job many worried about him raiding the Lane for players ,he tried to but not one player went his way. There is a reason for that.
 
Ollessendro said:
Is this the Mark Bunn who kept a clean sheet and saved a penalty only to be dropped the week after?

How dare we question Kevin Blackwell's man management skills?! :rolleyes:
Click to expand...

I think Bunn was dropped because;

a) He's crap
b) We had a better keeper
c) He's being sent back, so we don't have to worry about the lads opinion.

Whilst I agree Blackwell's man management is questionable, I don't think this is a good example.

UTB
 
Ollessendro said:
However, if we were pushing for automatic promotion (which we should be) I would pay him waht he wants as I think it would be good investment.
Click to expand...

Really? £2M......£5M, £10M?

We raise about £6M in gate money. Kilgallon wants a quarter of this, and you'd pay him?

Think again fella, surely.

UTB
 
alcoblade said:
I think Bunn was dropped because;

a) He's crap
b) We had a better keeper
c) He's being sent back, so we don't have to worry about the lads opinion.

Whilst I agree Blackwell's man management is questionable, I don't think this is a good example.

UTB
Click to expand...

Whilst I agree with all the points above, you don't think it's a little bizare to drop a keeper after playing one of his best games for us? What more could the guy do other than save a penalty and keep a clean sheet??

alcoblade said:
Really? £2M......£5M, £10M?

We raise about £6M in gate money. Kilgallon wants a quarter of this, and you'd pay him?

Think again fella, surely.

UTB
Click to expand...

Are you sure he is asking for more than 40k a week?

I'm thinking along the lines of paying him 25/30k, provided we are on track for heading to the premiership.
 
Ollessendro said:
Whilst I agree with all the points above, you don't think it's a little bizare to drop a keeper after playing one of his best games for us? What more could the guy do other than save a penalty and keep a clean sheet??



Are you sure he is asking for more than 40k a week?

I'm thinking along the lines of paying him 25/30k, provided we are on track for heading to the premiership.
Click to expand...

Thats around 500-600% more than the average championship wage. I am not sure that MK is that much better than an average championship player.
 

I would also suggest that, even if we were mad enough to pay it, the pressure of being the biggest earner at the club would be too much for him and he'd crumple under the extra attention given to his performances.#

That sort of money would aonly be payable to someone who would make a real difference to the side. Best exampl springing to mind would be Huckerby when he went to Norwich.

He was paid much more than any other player, but galvanised them into Champions which then got everyone a pay rise. It needs someone to have that sort of impact to prevent resentment in the rest of the squad.
 
JohnDenver said:
Maybe Blackwell dopped Cotts so often because he knew the damage his confidence would take from our knobhead element jeering him.

If he'd played at the bottom of his form for a prolonged spell the boos would have carried him out the ground on the own...
Click to expand...

Two words that contradict this theory...

Stephen Quinn
 
Darren said:
Thats around 500-600% more than the average championship wage. I am not sure that MK is that much better than an average championship player.
Click to expand...

If yo count Stephen Quinn as an average Champiosnhip player, then I'd dispute your above statement.
 
Just a comment on managers, as Sitwell implied, working in pro football is not like working on the shop floor and certainly nothing like any office. It is taken for granted that you vent your feelings (polite version), players are just tools to a manager and they do not care how many they break cause there are always more available. I find it a stupid way of operating, but I'm not in the game, but it is accepted as normal. So let's not get too uppity if we discover a manager who isn't always nice.
 
The Who Blade said:
If he'd given me a run in the side I'm confident I would have done the business for him.

"I had a good run at the back end of last season when I played 15 or 16 games. I produced some of the best football of my career and we got to the play off final.
Click to expand...

I'm sure he has read a post from me on here and quoted that!

I said that after Praise or grumble were slaging him off!
 
Come from away said:
Just a comment on managers, as Sitwell implied, working in pro football is not like working on the shop floor and certainly nothing like any office. It is taken for granted that you vent your feelings (polite version), players are just tools to a manager and they do not care how many they break cause there are always more available. I find it a stupid way of operating, but I'm not in the game, but it is accepted as normal. So let's not get too uppity if we discover a manager who isn't always nice.
Click to expand...

Professional football isn't a place to be nice. Cotts 'needed an arm round him' did he? He's not Zidane, in that he isnt a talent that justifies such pandering to his weaknesses. The only arm he needed round him was the one to comfort him as far as the car park for being not quite good enough. He's a good player when on form, but like Tongey, not good enough, often enough to make him an obvious pick, (not withstanding the curious situation with mini-Quinn, which I acknowledge).

Brian Clough, Alex Ferguson, Bill Shankly, Matt Busby, Bob Paisley, Big Phil Scolari have all been said to been arrogant bullies. Or maybe they were just crap man managers..?
 
DuncDisorderly said:
Professional football isn't a place to be nice. Cotts 'needed an arm round him' did he? He's not Zidane, in that he isnt a talent that justifies such pandering to his weaknesses. The only arm he needed round him was the one to comfort him as far as the car park for being not quite good enough. He's a good player when on form, but like Tongey, not good enough, often enough to make him an obvious pick, (not withstanding the curious situation with mini-Quinn, which I acknowledge).

Brian Clough, Alex Ferguson, Bill Shankly, Matt Busby, Bob Paisley, Big Phil Scolari have all been said to been arrogant bullies. Or maybe they were just crap man managers..?
Click to expand...

I assume we agree then. Like it or not it's the way things are, good managers and bad.
 
DuncDisorderly said:
Professional football isn't a place to be nice. Cotts 'needed an arm round him' did he? He's not Zidane, in that he isnt a talent that justifies such pandering to his weaknesses. The only arm he needed round him was the one to comfort him as far as the car park for being not quite good enough. He's a good player when on form, but like Tongey, not good enough, often enough to make him an obvious pick, (not withstanding the curious situation with mini-Quinn, which I acknowledge).

Brian Clough, Alex Ferguson, Bill Shankly, Matt Busby, Bob Paisley, Big Phil Scolari have all been said to been arrogant bullies. Or maybe they were just crap man managers..?
Click to expand...

On the first point if it gets the best out of the player then its not "pandering to his weaknesses" in my book it would be doing whats the best for the team. The world is full of individuals that tend to need to be treated accordingly, what works for one may not work for another.

On the second point, unfotunatley the world and time has moved on from when Cloughie, Shankly, Busby and Paisley were in charge. Fergie has adjusted his management style accordingly, I know for a fact that he's had to put the proverbial arm round Carrick and Giggs, to name but two, on more than one occasion. And yes Big Phil is a crap manager.
 
I know what you mean Duncs but I don't think these managers publically rebuked any of their players as much as Blackwell did Cotterill. Maybe Clough did, I don't know, but he could point to a few trophies rather than abject surrenders in play off finals.
 
>A lot of Wales players - and some of them have played in the Premier League - couldn't believe I wasn't playing for Sheffield United.
can't see what the problem with this is.. i agree with him... which leads me to my pet question.. why is quinn in the team?
 
HoodedClaw said:
On the first point if it gets the best out of the player then its not "pandering to his weaknesses" in my book it would be doing whats the best for the team. The world is full of individuals that tend to need to be treated accordingly, what works for one may not work for another.

On the second point, unfotunatley the world and time has moved on from when Cloughie, Shankly, Busby and Paisley were in charge. Fergie has adjusted his management style accordingly, I know for a fact that he's had to put the proverbial arm round Carrick and Giggs, to name but two, on more than one occasion. And yes Big Phil is a crap manager.
Click to expand...

You know that for a fact eh? :rolleyes:
 

Indeed or unless Mr Ferguson was lying when he said it which could be a possibility but just seems one thats a bit daft to me
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

Ned the Donkey
Who was the Brains Behind that Corner Routine?
Replies
28
Views
3K
Blademan89
Blademan89
William Carey
Second-leg Approach
2
Replies
42
Views
2K
Edgar Allan Poo
Edgar Allan Poo
Slim Man
Campbell starts upfront
Replies
24
Views
1K
Rochdaleblade
R
R
It's the expectation that hurts
Replies
2
Views
340
RAP51
R
Maurice Maurice
That was lucky
2 3
Replies
66
Views
4K
Frank the tank
Frank the tank

All advertisments are hidden for logged in members, why not log in/register?

All advertisments are hidden for logged in members, why not log in/register?

Back
Top Bottom